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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:06:52
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
How can criticism be a hoax.

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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax."


This statement is the craziest twist of logic you can possibly come up with.

It's literally right there.

Criticizing his response = A hoax (?) Absolutely not.

So you do think you know better than fact-checkers. Okay, good luck with that one. There are none so blind as those who will not see....
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:09:36
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Message is still accurate though.

Especially the "I never said it was all a hoax!" part. He never claimed the virus itself was a hoax.

STOP EDITING MY QUOTES!!11!!!11

Remember that, when we first met? Such fond memories. You were so angry that I replied to only portions of your quotes. I've taught you well padawan. We'll work on your satire next, and the ability to lift rocks.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:10:04
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It's an interpretation. Disguised as fact.

Snopes group decided what trump said after the fact, even though as he was saying it, he knew what he meant to say. Just to dumb not to say it.

This idiot literally incriminates himself every time he goes on tv.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:14:36
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Just leaving these here for reference.

Factcheck.org:

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Trump did use the word “hoax” but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself.

Politifact:

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The video makes it seem like Trump is calling the disease itself a hoax, which he hasn’t done.

Snopes, referenced again for good measure:

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Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:14:52
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
It's a huge stretch to say he was talking about the virus itself.

lol...yeah, let's ignore his actual comments and replace them with Rodney Dangerfield rhetoric. "Yeah...that's the ticket, I didn't mean my actual comment."
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:17:08
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Trump did use the word “hoax” but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself.

This cannot possibly be a hoax. A hoax means it's ***. They DID infact criticize him. Therefor their criticism is not and cannot be a hoax. That leaves only one option as to what the hoax is.

Just because he didn't literally say "Covid is a hoax" doesn't mean that's not his logic.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:17:09
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
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Message is still accurate though.

Especially the "I never said it was all a hoax!" part. He never claimed the virus itself was a hoax.

STOP EDITING MY QUOTES!!11!!!11

Remember that, when we first met? Such fond memories. You were so angry that I replied to only portions of your quotes. I've taught you well padawan. We'll work on your satire next, and the ability to lift rocks.

I mean, I've explained this to you like 300 times, but I'll do it once more since it's been a while. You were editing full quote chains, removing parts you didn't like. I quoted a portion of your one post and responded. Big difference.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:22:15
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
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Trump did use the word “hoax” but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself.

This cannot possibly be a hoax. A hoax means it's ***. They DID infact criticize him. Therefor their criticism is not and cannot be a hoax. That leaves only one option as to what the hoax is.

Just because he didn't literally say "Covid is a hoax" doesn't mean that's not his logic.

You don't get to decide his logic, lol. Just because you don't think the coverage was a hoax doesn't mean it wasn't what he was referring to. It's much simpler to just say, "He was wrong, the coverage wasn't a hoax." Why you have to twist yourself into knots to project your own interpretation of his comments is beyond me.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:25:57
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Again, just because he's to stupid to know what he said. Doesn't make it ok.

He said the quiet part out loud. But he said it in the dumbest way possible (accidentally) so he got the chance to walk it back.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:27:37
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I mean, I've explained this to you like 300 times

300? I've only posted in this section for a few months, but congrats on the increased post count.


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I mean, You were editing full quote chains, removing parts you didn't like.

I have a tissue of you need it.

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I quoted a portion of your one post and responded. Big difference.

So, you removed the parts you didn't like, editing quote chains? Big Difference?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:28:30
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That's this guys entire life. Saying the dumbest thing possible, but doing it like a "shambling oaf" so he can take it back after if you catch him.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:32:58
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
That's this guys entire life. Saying the dumbest thing possible, but doing it like a "shambling oaf" so he can take it back after if you catch him.

Well, Rava is progressing. He's much more understanding than when we first started posting together. I'm glad he's here.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:34:01
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
That's this guys entire life. Saying the dumbest thing possible, but doing it like a "shambling oaf" so he can take it back after if you catch him.

Well, Rava is progressing. He's much more understanding than when we first started posting together. I'm glad he's here.

That turned an attack on Trump into a personal attack on me. How high is that horse now?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:34:30
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I mean, I've explained this to you like 300 times

300? I've only posted in this section for a few months, but congrats on the increased post count.


Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I mean, You were editing full quote chains, removing parts you didn't like.

I have a tissue of you need it.

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I quoted a portion of your one post and responded. Big difference.

So, you removed the parts you didn't like, editing quote chains? Big Difference?

One post isn't a chain by definition, so you must have been talking about the virus. How can I edit quote viruses? That doesn't even make sense.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:35:08
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oh! check that ***out. An example in real time lol.

Oz thinks I called rav a shambling oaf. But I meant Trump.

Now if I don't literally say trump is the shambling oaf, everyone knows I called rav the shambling oaf.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:35:50
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
oh! check that ***out. An example in real time lol.

Oz thinks I called rav a shambling oaf. But I meant Trump.

Now if I don't literally say trump is the shambling oaf, everyone knows I called rav the shambling oaf.

Oz is trying to be funny. Emphasis on trying.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:38:41
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He's entitled to that interpretation because no one knows what I meant because I said it the way I said it.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:40:21
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
That's this guys entire life. Saying the dumbest thing possible, but doing it like a "shambling oaf" so he can take it back after if you catch him.

Well, Rava is progressing. He's much more understanding than when we first started posting together. I'm glad he's here.

That turned an attack on Trump into a personal attack on me. How high is that horse now?

I was defending you! No good deed goes unpunished...
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-16 22:46:55
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
oh! check that ***out. An example in real time lol.

Oz thinks I called rav a shambling oaf. But I meant Trump.

Now if I don't literally say trump is the shambling oaf, everyone knows I called rav the shambling oaf.

My apologies! It just seemed you were speaking of Rava.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:50:46
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I was, until proven otherwise. It looks like I blew his mind though.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 22:53:48
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
I was, until proven otherwise. It looks like I blew his mind though.

Not in the way you think. More in a "how could someone come to such a conclusion while sober" kind of way.

That is, of course, assuming you're sober. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 22:58:06
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That's interesting because that's the exact question I ask when someone thinks he was talking about anything other than "the virus" being "the hoax."

You'd have to be drunk to believe that.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 23:01:59
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
That's interesting because that's the exact question I ask when someone thinks he was talking about anything other than "the virus" being "the hoax."

You'd have to be drunk to believe that.

Then there are a lot of drunk people running fact-checking websites when all of them agree, regardless of their political leanings. Imagine thinking that you're smarter than the collective force of people who review such statements for a living.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-16 23:03:38
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Imagine thinking the internet is infallible. They're opinions. The only person on earth that knows the fact is incompetent and doesn't even know what hoax means.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 23:08:58
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Imagine thinking the internet is infallible. They're opinions. The only person on earth that knows the fact is incompetent and doesn't even know what hoax means.

Okay, so we've established that what you said was pure conjecture and you don't know the fact of what he meant any more than anyone else? I'm alright with that.
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That's reasonable enough.

He either incorrectly used the word, Or he said it because someone used a cute word with an X in it and it sounded cool.

Exactly like when you swear in front of a five year old. They keep dropping fbombs(hoax) not knowing what it means but your reaction to it makes them keep doing it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-16 23:33:25
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
He either incorrectly used the word, Or he said it because someone used a cute word with an X in it and it sounded cool.

There might be truth in both of those statements? "Hoax" became a kind of buzzword for him even though he has used it in situations where the textbook definition doesn't actually fit. I mean, that's not unusual for politicians, but Trump seems to be more prone to it than most.

I'm going deeper than I intended here, but while I am pretty fed up with career politicians and their focus-grouped buzzwords and messaging, Trump does tend to go a little more too far in the opposite direction. My ideal candidate would be someone who subverts the "traditions of the fathers" political mentality in the way that Trump does, but also, you know, thinks things through a little better before saying them?

I mean, sure, the media is going to rip any Republican to shreds (just look at the way they turned Romney into the devil incarnate in 2012), but you don't have to give them quite so much free ammo even if they are prone to shooting themselves in the feet with it.
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