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 Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-12-23 12:15:24
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farming malignance solo on a main character, speaking good english, and having full conversations with you sure doesn't sound china to me

sending poppers is most likely to annoy you, it's not some form of bribe

the rest of your post is a trainwreck though, and panta's point was that MPK can get YOU acted on, especially if your shouts ingame are anywhere near as inflammatory as your attitude here
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 12:18:52
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He admitted in /tell that the two bot groups were his and that they were bot groups. He was actioning on his PLD character, talking on his PLD character while his two bot groups that he admitted were his were continuing on. In /tell he said he was from China and his English was good, but not that good. He said he was an international student.

You want to come in here and tell me what is or isn't, maybe you should've been part of the conversation.
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By fonewear 2019-12-23 12:20:28
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missdivine said: »
I have lots of Chinese people on discord that sells cp, they all got banned for botting. It has been like that for a while now but this time got quite massive. If you're using speedhack (which is easily bannable and well know) you're an idiot.

server?

I've been on a rampage on the STF reports and I don't really care who hates me for it.

Through the last week I've had people both cheer me on for killing the bots and pissed off at me calling me a sadist and whatever else. At one point, there was literally 5 AFK bot groups dead in Dho Gates last week and a room full of mobs for real players to enjoy.

I was doing shouts in Dho Gates like "Botting is bad for your character's health!" and "If you want to pay for CP, find a real player to pay and stop paying bots and Chinese RMT" and once I had them all dead, "Dho Gates is now a bot free area" to which someone replied in shout "he really did it!" or something like that. At one point I had someone helping me mess with the bots.

I spent several hours last week after getting off work each night messing with bots in Dho Gates and reporting them to STF.

And I've done reporting in the weeks before that, too, but I really went ham last week.

I've got screen shots of one set of the Chinese farmers telling me line after line of chat in /tell in Chinese (English Letters). None of which did I reply. I'm pretty sure he was mad that I got all his bots killed over and over right after he'd set them up. It was hilarious because the bots' actions were so predictable, and once he turned the bots on, there wasn't anything he could do to counter what I was doing to get him killed. I took screen shots of his communications, but haven't run it through my phone's camera/translate app, yet. Might be a fun story in those chats.

And another Chinese farmer, who spoke English well enough, who was running two bot parties simultaneously selling CP, actually brought his PLD (that he claims he never bots on), out to help his two bot parties and trying to prevent them from dying.

I made him hold an Apex Bat on the PLD for what must've been 2hours. He mentioned several times that it must be a waste of time for me and that surely there was something else I could be doing. He also mentioned a few times how come I wasn't messing with the other bots. To which I told him that I had. Anyway, I had claim on the bat, but his bot group had threat on it as well and then the PLD came out and cured his bot party to get on the hate list and then he popped off Sentinel and self cured/phalanx from there. He really wanted to get back to farming Malignance Gears on the character he'd come out on PLD on; he said he was spamming VE on THF. I think he said he was just missing the hat. He made jokes about how the bat was like flies. Wouldn't leave him alone. I learned he was previously an international student and that he does his two parties across two computers. He has an Intel CPU preference. Lots of other stuff. In the end he really wanted me to end this (the bat that I had claim on that his PLD was holding). I told him that he charges people to kill stuff for them, and here you are wanting me to kill something for free for you?

Humorous to me, I've basically got him sending me a Popper (firework) every day to not mess with his bots rofl. Some seriously soft-level extortion going on. The guy is pretty smart, humorous, and probably a great guy to know and play with. He made a comment that I was interesting to talk with, as well.

Bottom line for me, I'm tired of bots. And that's what I tried to convey to him.

I keep an STF report tab open in my browser all the time now.

Personally, I don't a whole lot care if you're using windower for something like gear swap or even automated echo drops. I don't even care if you put a BRD on auto follow and have it doing automated songs. What pisses me off, is full-on automated play. If you're not at the computer, and your characters are doing ***, I'm reporting you.

Dho Gates (asura) I'm claiming as a bot free zone, now. Test me.

I rather deal with a bot than this guy. Just saying.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-12-23 12:21:23
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Torzak said: »
He admitted in /tell that the two bot groups were his and that they were bot groups

either you found the stupidest rmt in history, or you're living out some anti rmt power fantasy by shitposting, but i'm getting some serious 'and then everyone clapped' vibes here

that said, i'm all for screwing with rmt(especially china), so if it makes you happy keep it up
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 12:23:10
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I rather deal with a bot than this guy. Just saying.

I half expect there'll be a lot of you that'll paint me the bad guy. I already said, I don't care.

I'm done with bots being where I want to be. Steer clear bots!

Shiva.Thorny said: »
either you found the stupidest rmt in history, or you're living out some anti rmt power fantasy by shitposting, but i'm get some serious 'and then everyone clapped' vibes here
I've got screen shots of the entire conversation. I could easily prove his admission if I were so inclined. You can go on about whatever you want to think happened or didn't happen in the conversation. We talked for like 2hrs the whole time his pld was holding the bat.
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By fonewear 2019-12-23 12:25:05
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The crusade against bots is actually more important than any crusade in history !

We must defeat the bots or all hope is lost !
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By fonewear 2019-12-23 12:27:10
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90% of China's economy is selling gil to wealthy Americans...I have no proof you just got to trust me !
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 12:31:08
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You're one hell of a goof ball fonewear, but I'm pretty sure a larger chunk of China's economy is in reverse engineering and making knock offs as compared to making gil.
 
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By Chimerawizard 2019-12-23 13:01:03
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Bots will return if banned infrequently.
If bots are banned too often to be profitable however, yeah they'll disappear.
Ban a bot, get a new purchase of the game + a double sub fee for the month. Just don't do too many every month and search for ones using different patterns each time, so one client doesn't get hit too hard in rapid succession.
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By Asura.Chiaia 2019-12-23 13:13:49
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Chimerawizard said: »
Ban a bot, get a new purchase of the game + a double sub fee for the month
Umm no, you get a free month with purchase and also it can actually be cheaper then a normal sub since most RMT would stockpile keys during the $10for the full game months they do 2-3 times a year.
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 13:25:33
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Got to remember though that those bots are paid subscriptions. The player base is not very big. So keep reporting and getting those bots banned and then you can wonder why they don't make any new content down the road. Guess you pick your poison... The less profitable the game is the less content you get.

Bots may be payed subscriptions, but bots being allowed to run around in this game is like someoneA allowing someoneB to pay to give someoneA a papercut every 30secs. Yeah, you're making money off of it, but it's destroying you, slowly.

People come to this game and they often quickly learn that the most effective way to get anything done is to pay someone else to do it. And not for a lack of trying to actually play the game to get what they want done, but because that's what everyone else does.

By allowing it to happen, zones like Dho Gates becomes infested to the point that people can't even reliably contend with the botters unless they are a very powerful group and can sit in the middle of the big open room and pull from all sides. Anyone who wants to camp in one of the tunnels and take a more reserved approach to CPing has to deal with camping on top of a bot group.

By accepting the bots subscription, and not doing something about it, SE is effectively telling legit players to f' off and deal with it. I don't think so.
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 13:42:27
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Either way to each their own but eventually you will get hit by mpk'ing the wrong person.

Let's get one thing straight, the bots MPK themselves.
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By Pantafernando 2019-12-23 13:43:15
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fonewear said: »
Torzak said: »
missdivine said: »
I have lots of Chinese people on discord that sells cp, they all got banned for botting. It has been like that for a while now but this time got quite massive. If you're using speedhack (which is easily bannable and well know) you're an idiot.

server?

I've been on a rampage on the STF reports and I don't really care who hates me for it.

Through the last week I've had people both cheer me on for killing the bots and pissed off at me calling me a sadist and whatever else. At one point, there was literally 5 AFK bot groups dead in Dho Gates last week and a room full of mobs for real players to enjoy.

I was doing shouts in Dho Gates like "Botting is bad for your character's health!" and "If you want to pay for CP, find a real player to pay and stop paying bots and Chinese RMT" and once I had them all dead, "Dho Gates is now a bot free area" to which someone replied in shout "he really did it!" or something like that. At one point I had someone helping me mess with the bots.

I spent several hours last week after getting off work each night messing with bots in Dho Gates and reporting them to STF.

And I've done reporting in the weeks before that, too, but I really went ham last week.

I've got screen shots of one set of the Chinese farmers telling me line after line of chat in /tell in Chinese (English Letters). None of which did I reply. I'm pretty sure he was mad that I got all his bots killed over and over right after he'd set them up. It was hilarious because the bots' actions were so predictable, and once he turned the bots on, there wasn't anything he could do to counter what I was doing to get him killed. I took screen shots of his communications, but haven't run it through my phone's camera/translate app, yet. Might be a fun story in those chats.

And another Chinese farmer, who spoke English well enough, who was running two bot parties simultaneously selling CP, actually brought his PLD (that he claims he never bots on), out to help his two bot parties and trying to prevent them from dying.

I made him hold an Apex Bat on the PLD for what must've been 2hours. He mentioned several times that it must be a waste of time for me and that surely there was something else I could be doing. He also mentioned a few times how come I wasn't messing with the other bots. To which I told him that I had. Anyway, I had claim on the bat, but his bot group had threat on it as well and then the PLD came out and cured his bot party to get on the hate list and then he popped off Sentinel and self cured/phalanx from there. He really wanted to get back to farming Malignance Gears on the character he'd come out on PLD on; he said he was spamming VE on THF. I think he said he was just missing the hat. He made jokes about how the bat was like flies. Wouldn't leave him alone. I learned he was previously an international student and that he does his two parties across two computers. He has an Intel CPU preference. Lots of other stuff. In the end he really wanted me to end this (the bat that I had claim on that his PLD was holding). I told him that he charges people to kill stuff for them, and here you are wanting me to kill something for free for you?

Humorous to me, I've basically got him sending me a Popper (firework) every day to not mess with his bots rofl. Some seriously soft-level extortion going on. The guy is pretty smart, humorous, and probably a great guy to know and play with. He made a comment that I was interesting to talk with, as well.

Bottom line for me, I'm tired of bots. And that's what I tried to convey to him.

I keep an STF report tab open in my browser all the time now.

Personally, I don't a whole lot care if you're using windower for something like gear swap or even automated echo drops. I don't even care if you put a BRD on auto follow and have it doing automated songs. What pisses me off, is full-on automated play. If you're not at the computer, and your characters are doing ***, I'm reporting you.

Dho Gates (asura) I'm claiming as a bot free zone, now. Test me.

I rather deal with a bot than this guy. Just saying.

Bots/RMT still have some sort of discretion unless they are completely idiots.

Some players though, if they judge you unworthy, ilegit or criminal, they will actually invest time of their lives to make yours as worse as it can
 
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 13:54:18
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I like this direction. Y'all are on the right track.

I'm done with bots. Steer clear.
 
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By Pantafernando 2019-12-23 13:56:11
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Asura.Bartimaeus said: »
Caerda said: »
.. think they are a hero to Vana'diel.

Send him back to mines.

Accusation: being a Galka
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 14:00:34
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By Valefor.Botosi 2019-12-23 14:01:09
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Torzak said: »
I like this direction. Y'all are on the right track.

I'm done with bots. Steer clear.

I'm extremely sorry your life is so empty and mundane that you would dedicate time out of your life to go out of your way to stop/mpk/report/talk to bots.

Pro tip: See a bot in a place you want to CP? Move to another one of the 1000 viable camps or camp on top of them and get just as good exp (there's plenty of mobs around; they're never all claimed).

It's like going to Abyssea to farm colorless souls when someone is already there farming them. Is competing for something really the best way to spend your time? No, you move on and go do something else, or in this case, just move to a different camp. ...But in this case it also seems like you have a lot of excess time.
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By Torzak 2019-12-23 14:02:32
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your life is so empty and mundane that you would dedicate time out of your life

And here you are.
 
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By Asura.Botosi 2019-12-23 14:03:31
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Torzak said: »
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your life is so empty and mundane that you would dedicate time out of your life

And here you are.

I'm at work. Nice try though.
 
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