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Odin.Slore
Serveur: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1350
By Odin.Slore 2019-11-17 17:38:24
63 posts: check
week old account: check
Vague hints: check
wont let it die: check
Ya'll arguing with a sock.
Bahamut.Hismena
Serveur: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 54
By Bahamut.Hismena 2019-11-17 17:38:58
Never once moved a single goal post. From the start I was comparing how a company like blizzard(or anyone) would handle the wealth of information/addons that SE allowed on FFXI. No idea why you were trying to change the conversation to make it fit whatever you're talking about.
I'm not a sock account, I don't post on FFXIAH, my ego doesn't need fed, anyone who knows who I am can confirm I'm not a sock account if they'd like.
To get to the conclusion you came to, you'd have to assume I don't know windower has mapped most packets (false) and completely ignore any of the context of the conversation going on. You do you though, whatever gets you that self-pat on the back.
Ok, Canibal.
Shiva.Thorny
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2852
By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-17 18:03:36
Spengler is neither Canibal nor a sock. He is a FFXI player that has not previously posted on XIAH. Obviously, that is not his main linked to the forum.
Windower team should be completely embarassed to have let someone like Nekseus join their team(he admits he can't code worth ***, yet he has access to the core and keeps dropping 'we' and pretending to have influence with windower).
Not touching the rest, mostly semantics anyway.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 18:38:36
Not touching the rest, mostly semantics anyway. Semantics literally make up everything, if you don't establish them then you have nothing to even discuss.
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 18:58:12
Windower team should be completely embarassed to have let someone like Nekseus join their team translation: they should let me join instead!
By clearlyamule 2019-11-17 18:59:20
Damn this thread has gone places. Spengler is just as dead now as Harold Ramis
Bismarck.Nyaarun
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1006
By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2019-11-17 19:14:46
This was bitched about loudly and publicly thats what i'm talking about, there is barely any outrage although there should be in order to pressure SE towards change. even in the current dupe affair you can occasionally find some post that sides with the dupers.
if i'm not mistaken there is a block function on this forum, you don't really need the mods if you can't handle someones posts for what ever reason.
Theres no outrage over third party programs like windower or ashita because people prefer using them. Its like asking why theres no major outrage over alcohol.... because most people enjoy drinking it in some form to some degree.
By Nekseus 2019-11-17 19:21:27
Spengler is neither Canibal nor a sock. He is a FFXI player that has not previously posted on XIAH. Obviously, that is not his main linked to the forum.
Windower team should be completely embarassed to have let someone like Nekseus join their team(he admits he can't code worth ***, yet he has access to the core and keeps dropping 'we' and pretending to have influence with windower).
Not touching the rest, mostly semantics anyway.
I'm pretty sure I said "We" once actually and it was regarding the packet types lua which is kinda a "we" type of file. I never implied I have any influence. Whether I code for ***or I'm just humble about it doesnt matter either. I damn well know my use and whether I'm a pro programmer or not doesnt change anything.
You going to open that fat mouth of yours again and start dropping drama you know about pal?
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 19:28:53
Theres no outrage over third party programs like windower or ashita because people prefer using them. Its like asking why theres no major outrage over alcohol.... because most people enjoy drinking it in some form to some degree. to stick to your metaphor there are the responsible drinkers and there are alcohol abusers. the later ones should cause outrage.
Shiva.Thorny
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2852
By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-17 19:34:36
translation: they should let me join instead! I haven't had any interest in being on Windower's team in 6 or 7 years. Ashita is more stable, and everything of use windower has is open source(lua).
I'm pretty sure I said "We" once actually and it was regarding the packet types lua which is kinda a "we" type of file. I never implied I have any influence. Whether I code for ***or I'm just humble about it doesnt matter either. I damn well know my use and whether I'm a pro programmer or not doesnt change anything.
You going to open that fat mouth of yours again and start dropping drama you know about pal? It's not just the not knowing how to code, it's the whole 'conducting yourself like an angry teenager'. Everyone else posting on behalf of windower has some amount of composure, then there's you.
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Bismarck.Nyaarun
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1006
By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2019-11-17 19:37:26
Theres no outrage over third party programs like windower or ashita because people prefer using them. Its like asking why theres no major outrage over alcohol.... because most people enjoy drinking it in some form to some degree. to stick to your metaphor there are the responsible drinkers and there are alcohol abusers. the later ones should cause outrage.
Sure, but now define an alcohol abuser. Are we talking about the guy getting sloshed on the weekends not really hurting anyone other than potentially themselves? Or are we talking about drunk drivers?
RMT and speedhacks and the like fall into the getting sloshed category, as they really dont hurt anyone anymore and no one really cares. Anything worth getting is R/EX, and Vize breaking out his credit card again only really affects his financial situation.
The beastmen medals is clearly more towards the second, though i personally really dont care a lot because SE still refuses to reduce/remove the entry timer to it. SE was clearly happy with what was in flux with it, else something would have been done long before.
Realistically the game will never have a real economy ever again anyway. Anyone with items has all the gil in the world as is, and anyone without items is poor as ***. Most servers have a dead AH and you need to effectively perform an RMT action to swap to asura and back just to buy anything as-is. If we are going to talk about fixing the economy, beastmen medals are really low on the totem pole here, and the game needs a lot of revamps to get something working that isnt just "max gil players swapping gil" or "Large multi million NPC required items to upgrade".
By Nekseus 2019-11-17 19:38:46
translation: they should let me join instead! I haven't had any interest in being on Windower's team in 6 or 7 years. Ashita is more stable, and everything of use windower has is open source(lua).
I'm pretty sure I said "We" once actually and it was regarding the packet types lua which is kinda a "we" type of file. I never implied I have any influence. Whether I code for ***or I'm just humble about it doesnt matter either. I damn well know my use and whether I'm a pro programmer or not doesnt change anything.
You going to open that fat mouth of yours again and start dropping drama you know about pal? It's not just the not knowing how to code, it's the whole 'conducting yourself like an angry teenager'. Everyone else posting on behalf of windower has some amount of composure, then there's you. I'm not posting on behalf of anyone. I'm saying what I want to say and whether you think it is childish doesnt mean a thing to me. I think you try to hard to be known as the tough guy but hey whats my opinion matter im the one who's childish...
Bismarck.Nyaarun
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1006
By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2019-11-17 19:52:25
To say people buying gil doesn't affect players is really naive. People buying Gil is the reason RMT fill up CP camps with their shitty parties and prevent real players being able to use them. They basically ruined CP so much that they have a monopoly on some zones on Asura so many people are better off paying them. Just to give one example.
Sounds like a first world asura problem. RMT generally stay out of sight so they dont get reported. Why make yourself have a large profile?
Then again, SE sells gil.
Also, CP parties are terrible for gil making. You do that if youre selling JP.
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 20:05:18
RMT and speedhacks and the like fall into the getting sloshed category, as they really dont hurt anyone anymore and no one really cares. no. its been discussed countless times how they affect others, just because the pro cheat camp doesn't want to acknowledge that doesn't make it less of a fact.
The beastmen medals is clearly more towards the second, though i personally really dont care a lot because SE still refuses to reduce/remove the entry timer to it. if you are in the pro exploit camp it makes no sense to have this discussion.
Bismarck.Nyaarun
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1006
By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2019-11-17 20:10:29
I don't know how it's so good Gil for them to be so blatant. 10m per char for 8 hrs to make 500 JP because they're slow as ***. Max 3 chars = 30m every 8 hours but completely afk I guess is not bad.
That would fall under merc-ing, instead of RMT. Real money was not traded in this scenario.
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 20:15:59
RMTing hurts the already very bad party situation of FFXI as the buyer will pay a merc for JP or items they desire instead of joining a group.
speed/pos hacking was the center of multiple exploits and easy modes.
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Bismarck.Nyaarun
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1006
By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2019-11-17 20:17:13
RMTing hurts the already very bad party situation of FFXI as the buyer will pay a merc for JP or items they desire instead of joining a group.
speed/pos hacking was the center of multiple exploits and easy modes.
Again, if you pay for a merc with gil, then no RMT transaction has taken place. Real Money is required for something to be RMT.
And given speed hacking is LITERALLY on the wiki as a statement of something you should be doing to earn nyzul tokens.... i dont think most people are against speedhacking, even if i personally choose not to.
Shiva.Ariaum
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 197
By Shiva.Ariaum 2019-11-17 20:17:49
Moar sh*t posting and retards please, this football game sucks tonight.
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 20:33:33
Again, if you pay for a merc with gil, then no RMT transaction has taken place. Real Money is required for something to be RMT. are we going to pretend ppl buy gil just for the sake of owning more gil?
By Nekseus 2019-11-17 20:35:17
tbf a lot of mercs literally are RMT. almost ALL merc customers are RMT.
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By Fayona 2019-11-17 20:42:08
Can someone just do a cross server obit for the dusted please?
I’m still waiting for this. Also can we get back to our regularly scheduled memes? Like who cares about the he said she said. It’s exhausting.
By Chimerawizard 2019-11-17 20:45:43
I have a friend that buys gil and sells merc slots...
I believe the term is addict.
Serveur: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4415
By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-11-17 20:49:53
Are there even enough things to spend all that money on?
When I see how limited the buy part of each job is, I'm not so surprised that some people turn to selling gils.
By Chimerawizard 2019-11-17 20:57:39
Generally, no.
Both activities usually spring up when he wants to get CP on a new job or character.
sell a couple slots, CP on a couple jobs, buy w/e gil didn't get made doing CP to finish gearing it up.
Serveur: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 4415
By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-11-17 21:03:21
Sounds reasonable to me.
I have nothing against people who RMT for the simple reason that 1) the impact doesn't bother me and 2) if they didn't RMT they wouldn't be playing. So, yeah.
By Shichishito 2019-11-17 21:15:36
speaking of not playing, i frequently read the argument they don't/shouldn't ban cheaters cause dozens of their friends would consequently quit too.
now we have 42 official bans, anyone witnessing people quitting or considering quitting themself because one of their friends got hit?
Quote: Regarding an Item Duplication Exploit
Good day, adventurers. This is the Special Task Force (STF), the team charged with investigating and suppressing unethical conduct that negatively impacts players’ FINAL FANTASY XI experience.
Several days ago we confirmed that some players were using an external program to create duplicates of specific in-game items. We would first like to apologize for the concern that this has caused, as bits and pieces of this information were posted on unofficial fan sites and message boards.
This message is to inform you of the measures we have taken to address the exploit and the punishment disseminated to the culpable parties.
Background Information and How We Have Addressed the Exploit
On the night of November 12 (Japan time), we received a bug report stating that it was possible to receive an unlimited number of Beastmen’s Medals and Kindred’s Medals. We acted immediately to verify the report, and determined that it was, in fact, possible to duplicate the items in question. We consulted with producer Akihiko Matsui and temporarily removed the affected NPC as a provisional emergency measure.
The development team then undertook a detailed investigation and confirmed that the exploit did exist and pinpointed concrete methods for consistently reproducing said exploit. As part of the emergency maintenance on November 14 (Japan time), we implemented a server-side fix addressing the exploit and have confirmed that it is no longer possible to duplicate items in this manner.
Player Punishment for Abuse of the Exploit
While the development team worked to fix the underlying cause, the STF focused on investigating suspicious players. We have completed our investigation of all characters who interacted with the NPC in question from early last week until the NPC was temporarily removed, and discovered that 45 players used the aforementioned exploit. We terminated the accounts of those 45 players on November 13 (Japan time).
We take the integrity of the game very seriously, and are widening the scope of the investigation to determine if any players used this exploit before the period in question, and whether or not it was possible for similar exploits to be used on other NPCs or items. If we discover any related conduct, those players will be punished in the same manner.
As we have communicated to players since the game’s inception, the use of external programs in FINAL FANTASY XI violates the Terms of Use, and we will take all necessary measures against players who do so, up to and including account termination. We would like to take this opportunity to again warn you against using such programs, as doing so will put your account in jeopardy.
If you witness any suspicious activity in-game or read information on how to perform such activities on external sources, do not try them yourself or distribute the information to others, and instead report them to the STF immediately.
We will continue to remain ever vigilant against suspicious activity in FINAL FANTASY XI and ask for your continued support in ensuring a level playing field for all players.
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