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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:18:20
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Im going to send one to taco bell for giving me diarrhea and see how it goes
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:19:17
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spengler said: »
or sit the *** down.

LOL!
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 16:20:35
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spengler said: »
Now you're arguing semantics after realizing what I said and that your counters to it are idiotic and unfounded. Link any other game developer that has allowed even 10% of their packet structure to be mapped or sit the *** down.

I have no idea who you are, you wrote a couple addons maybe? I'm guessing you don't have windower source. You should not be saying "We".
Ahit at this point you sound like you wanna work for SE but they rejected you. Idk why you defending this so much but it makes no sense.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:21:08
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spengler said: »
I have no idea who you are, you wrote a couple addons maybe? I'm guessing you don't have windower source. You should not be saying "We".

can you go to this link?
https://github.com/Windower/windower/tree/master/core
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:21:25
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spengler said: »
Now you're arguing semantics
Semantics literally make up everything, if you don't establish them then you have nothing to even discuss.

Grow up and realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, maybe try to not be so ignorant and then come to the table when you actually are able to discuss things. Don't even sit down, get out of the room.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-17 16:22:56
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Jetackuu said: »
spengler said: »
Now you're arguing semantics
Semantics literally make up everything, if you don't establish them then you have nothing to even discuss.

Grow up and realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, maybe try to not be so ignorant and then come to the table when you actually are able to discuss things. Don't even sit down, get out of the room.
At this point this guy is giving se way too much credit
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 16:23:41
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spengler said: »
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There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly.

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Link any major game developer that has their entire packet structure mapped and publicly available.

Just to be clear, are you asking if THEY themself map it publicly, or players map it publicly. Im starting to lose track of the actual question.


I think it's pretty clear. I don't think SE would send a C&D to themselves...

As stated several times now, FFXI very clearly has the entire packet structure mapped by the windower team. No other game developer would allow you to do this, they would send you a C&D. It allows idiots like Eli to find the exploit he found.

SE has taken a hands off approach, I believe security by obscurity was how it was worded best. If SE had been in contact with the Windower/Ashita team at all I can assure you they would have told them that 90% of their addons should not be allowed and the packet structure should not be public.

Calls me idiot, but fabricates biased facts based on over-opinionated assumptions. I actually wasn't 100% even disagreeing with you, I just couldn't follow what you were actually asking. This is back to being boring and biased, later guys.

Again sorry Windower Devs for the special people.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:26:00
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The fact of the matter is if SE wanted 3rd party utilities gone all they would have to do is ban everyone who used them, and yes they can detect them fairly easily.

I mean they could be total *** and rewrite the launcher slightly on like every update and cause the hook to break, but that'd just be trolling.

There's a lot of things they COULD do and decide not to. Bitching about it is moot.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:26:46
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None of the devs are paying attention to this nonesense that I know of. They dropped the discussion about this thread around 1pm EST. This guy has just gone full retard. "I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE YOU CANT POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING!"
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 16:28:52
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Also seen this on first search, but not entirely sure how in depth it goes.
Blizzard Packets Info
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By Asura.Aeonova 2019-11-17 16:28:58
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2019-11-17 16:29:45
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Asura.Aeonova said: »
Thank you lol.
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:40:24
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Nekseus said: »
None of the devs are paying attention to this nonesense that I know of. They dropped the discussion about this thread around 1pm EST. This guy has just gone full retard. "I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE YOU CANT POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING!"
Ah cool, they are giving their source to idiots these days. Sorry that you didn't have the capacity to understand what I was saying in your first 9 posts, now that you do and realize there's no way you can refute anything or come with a logical response as to why I'm wrong I guess we'll just let it die.

Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
Also seen this on first search, but not entirely sure how in depth it goes.
Blizzard Packets Info

This is the packet structure for the battle net client and how it connects to blizzard games, as it states multiple times all over everything.

edit: looks like they also have ingame chat for Diablo II and Warcraft III.
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By Shichishito 2019-11-17 16:41:36
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By zaxtiss 2019-11-17 16:41:37
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yay! some dumb happened... can we get back to normal already?
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:44:25
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spengler said: »
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Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Enix

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Call me an idiot all you want I'm not the guy insane enough to come in here and start an argument with 3 different people and still conclude their right

I'm out lol
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By spengler 2019-11-17 16:46:44
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Nekseus said: »
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Its not windowers fault Elidyr accidently figured out a bug with the item indexes. Just cause windower defined the fields doesnt make SE's garbage code any of their fault. You all use windower and if not you use ashita. get off your high horses.

There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly. You would definitely be met with a C&D. You are very delusional if you don't believe that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Enix

I'm not going to go in the circle again, if you can't understand that I meant other than SE and the fact that SE does it is my entire point then I don't know what to tell you. Impeccably horrible comprehension skills.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 16:48:32
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you made that point after the fact. you keep reconstituting your argument. next time you want to make a sock account to argue with everyone jusst stfu and dont. now get lost
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 16:52:00
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spengler said: »
I'm not going to go in the circle again, if you can't understand that I meant other than SE and the fact that SE does it is my entire point then I don't know what to tell you. Impeccably horrible comprehension skills.
Learn how to phrase your statements better instead of moving your goal posts when you're proven wrong.
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By spengler 2019-11-17 17:00:51
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Never once moved a single goal post. From the start I was comparing how a company like blizzard(or anyone) would handle the wealth of information/addons that SE allowed on FFXI. No idea why you were trying to change the conversation to make it fit whatever you're talking about.

I'm not a sock account, I don't post on FFXIAH, my ego doesn't need fed, anyone who knows who I am can confirm I'm not a sock account if they'd like.

To get to the conclusion you came to, you'd have to assume I don't know windower has mapped most packets (false) and completely ignore any of the context of the conversation going on. You do you though, whatever gets you that self-pat on the back.
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By fonewear 2019-11-17 17:05:47
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8 pages too many.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 17:06:03
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spengler said: »
Never once moved a single goal post. From the start I was comparing how a company like blizzard(or anyone) would handle the wealth of information/addons that SE allowed on FFXI. No idea why you were trying to change the conversation to make it fit whatever you're talking about.

I'm not a sock account, I don't post on FFXIAH, my ego doesn't need fed, anyone who knows who I am can confirm I'm not a sock account if they'd like.

To get to the conclusion you came to, you'd have to assume I don't know windower has mapped most packets (false) and completely ignore any of the context of the conversation going on. You do you though, whatever gets you that self-pat on the back.

Your account is a week old. I'm the idiot? YOU MADE THE ASSUMPTION. I've proven you wrong without a shadow of a doubt and all you can do is continue your...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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By fonewear 2019-11-17 17:07:07
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So where can I find these packets and what do I do with them ?
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By Chimerawizard 2019-11-17 17:08:15
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fonewear said: »
8 pages too many.
aww, the third page was good. we recounted some of the many dupes/hacks/exploits seen in FFXI over the years.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 17:09:05
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Except you literally just did. Nobody changed it at all, it is literally what you said.

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There's absolutely no way any major game developer would let you map their entire packet structure publicly

Nobody would logically come to a different meaning than what was said, there's no "conclusion" to be gotten to, it's literally spelled out. To arrive at your moved goal post one would have to assume that you don't know how to construct a proper statement or question and you didn't mean what you typed.

The fact of the matter is that it's moot, SE has no control over it, not even Square Enix America. But let's keep pretending that SE has the power to stifle the free speech of others when it's not on their platform.
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By Jetackuu 2019-11-17 17:09:50
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fonewear said: »
So where can I find these packets and what do I do with them ?

Dirty things.
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By Shichishito 2019-11-17 17:09:53
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fonewear said: »
So where can I find these packets and what do I do with them ?
you should be able to locate 2 of them when you lower your pov. i suggest to start with a good squeeze.
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By fillerbunny9 2019-11-17 17:13:41
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fonewear said: »
8 pages too many.
aww, the third page was good. we recounted some of the many dupes/hacks/exploits seen in FFXI over the years.

I kinda kept hoping this would get better, but it has mostly spiraled downward as people are arguing with the sock whose only purpose has been to stir the pot re: medals.
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By Nekseus 2019-11-17 17:14:19
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He wont even admit he's a sock! lmao

Before you know it hes gonna pull a "It was all according to plan speal."
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By fillerbunny9 2019-11-17 17:17:57
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