Your Nyzul Uncharted Campaign Treasures!?

The drop rate of any noticeable gear from NNI is abusmally low.

Because: the very same pool of 119 is shared with all miriad of under lv99 gear, so figures.

I pretty much gave up this event entirely when i soend like 3 or 4 runs for only item that was over 99 to be bayld and eminence gear....

The only situations i would recomend someone farming NNI is if:

A) said player basically beat the game and really have nothing of value to do with their time.

B) is activelly farming ZNM trophies. NNI campiang is okish for that.

C) is farming tokens and is ok with trade off of less token for more side-rewards.

Just unloading some thoughts on the event based on 100+ runs:

~~~~Treasures~~~~

OSash exists. There are two mobs you should look for that drop the ??? Sash: Floors 21~39 have the Gwyllgi hound; and Floors 81~99 have King Arthur. I've only ever gotten it once of the 5 times I participated this event nonstop.

??? Weapons are found in abundance in Floors 41~59, the reason being is that the seven Skull of _______ make up a good chunk of the possible NMs found there. Great for Pulse hunting if you're trying to build an Ambu weapon.

??? Boxes are typically armor pieces of some variety in the main five body parts... or random junk. While there aren't many grand prizes here, I open these anyway for lockstyle pieces. I can confirm I've gotten gear from Providence Watcher, the final boss of the Voidwatch quest line, this way.

The following does not drop: any HTBF armor in the more coveted levels (Lilith, Cait Sith, Shinryu, Odin); Omen *main bosses; any newer content, Volte gear.

Any pulse is possible to obtain, including Sagasinger.

The giant-***-table is in the ??? Box +2, same pool as the ZNM trophies/pop items, which are in floors divisible by 20.

If you feel superstitious, put a R or R/EX item in the DBox. I actually had this happen to me with a Sroda Neck back when it was still worth 20mil and I wanted to die. (I still want to die for hesitating on selling it now that it's about as worth as a pack of chewing gum in a gas stop.)

~~~~Inside Nyzul~~~~

Some square wall rooms will have it so you face a wall. Going left or right will either make it so you run straight down to the next room; or zig-zag and eat up a couple seconds of time. If you run into this room--and another room is just like it, always take the direction opposite of the zig-zag line since it never repeats itself. Example: If I go left and see that the walkway is straight down, enter the next room and be given the choice again; going right will always be another straight. This is especially useful to know when racing against time/rushing through lamp puzzles.

Over time you will notice some rooms have a very distinct pattern and you can automatically map out where you are. One such example is if you start in a room that is in a L shape with only one way leading out, you will find out you are in a small Y-shaped area, where there's a small staircase towards the left.

Animations can be a factor. A BLM II spell may be more important than, say, a Blue Mage casting Subduction if you need to kill just one enemy.

Gears detect by magic, so use a throwing weapon if you are in an otherwise almost impossible room to avoid detection (it will happen). I keep an Aureole for this very reason.

Z-Axis will mess up your AoE so be prepared for some jank. More specifically any L-shaped corridors where are erected floor panels outlining the hallway, that's where I usually have to redo a spell if I get unlucky.

It is possible for the same NM to appear multiple times, this includes the aforementioned O-Sash carriers.

*Edit: Originally I claimed all Omen gear was out of the question, but looking back I did notice a Nusku Shield was possible, so there's that.

Sagasinger
Mercurial Kris
2x Alzadaal Tables (1 of which hit the floor)
Sooo many T4/3 ZNM pops
Pinga Mittens & Heyoka Subligar (never seen a +1 of these crafted items, not possible? Have had +1s of adoulin gear and conquest point gear)

Got my Tyger pop for Murgleis but not much else. Well rune rod is kinda nice but…

The cost/benefit ratio of this campaign is extremelly low

I wouldn't say extremely low.

I've had 10 stacks of alex out of it (3.5M)
3 of each T4 ZNM pop (1M/pop if you can sell them, 9M)
Merc Kris (1.5M on my server, if it ever sells...)
2x su5 gears (700k total)

That's from ~20ish runs total (30min/run 10hrs total)
That's almost 1.5M/hour, rivalling other gil farming methods such as swart farming.

Is it the best? Hell no, there's plenty of ways to make better gil, but this isn't the worst. Nyzul's fun, it's different, there's the gambling aspect of ??? items and O.Sash and the personal challenges to clear more floors.

Definitely not extremely low imo.

It's fine if you're bored and will use ZNM pops. It is not good if you are doing it for tokens specifically.

It’s great if you’re building a base mythic. You get plenty of znm pops, Alexandrite, plus the extra stuff. And even though it’s not a tremendous amount, you also get Nyzul tokens.

This. Even though NNI is less tokens, it's sometimes a bit more fun than the same old grind if you're working on a Mythic, especially if you're gonna use ZNM pops. I don't mind some NNI runs when campaign is on, if only to mix it up a little bit and still get some tokens. Though, at this point I tend to work on Mythics at a fairly leisurely pace - definitely stick to normal Nyzul if your goal is strictly the most effecient token farming.

I also liked doing NNI campaign when friends and I still needed pulse weapons, got quite a few that way.

I was actually thinking about what a tier list would look like for campaigns. I never started it because I realized that many campaigns are only beneficial until they're not. Some campaigns are always worthwhile, regardless of anyone's personal progression. Some campaigns value is determined by the market.


I'd only suggest this campaign to someone who needed pulse weapons or was trying to get the furniture. It's an option if you can't solo Zi'tah T3 or don't need anything from legion or meeble that might also get you a pulse. Otherwise, you'd get more out of salvage or just farming the ZNM normally.

If you arent multiboxing and starting with zero ZNM items and need all 3 trophies, rolling the dice on a t3/4 pop/trophy is probably worthwhile. I dont know the most efficient path timewise for a soloer to get all 3 T4 pops so my estimate might be off, but I cant imagine its anything less than a couple hours legit (aka no flee/pos hack). This only applies when you need all 3 T4 trophies as Magian trial is 3 kills of the same NM, so you've reduced the previously acceptable loot pool by 66%.

NNI to floor 20 is 10-12 minutes from tag obtained to tag turned in?


I already did this, partially in jest, after Eiryl suggested the Odyssey campaign is "useless, it helps no one, no one will use it".

The other issue with zeni stuff is that it comes from +2 boxes. I've solo'd to level 80 before, but only one boss on the way up due to lucky skips. I've only ever been able to clear 3 bosses in a single run on a handful of occasions (usually netting around 2k tokens IIRC). It needs to be more consistent to compete imo.

I only do it for pulse weapons.

Its also useful for some random *** accessories/rings.

Can KC Drop from this? Im betting S/E likes to troll and it's an octave club as a drop.

Thats why you lock to floor 20 and bail.

I've never seen a bcnm drop from nyzul ???+1 items, only ever crafted items, direct drop items and adoulin 100-119 gear.

My instinct would say no to ???+1 sword/dagger and Lord of Onzozo would almost certainly appraise to Octave Club as well.

Edit: Said the above without thinking too much about it then started looking through the bcnm 60 loot. Realised I've had things like Knightly mantle, Enhancing torque so you never know...

The idea isn't to get out as quickly as possible. The idea is to get as many +1 weapons and accessories as you can before leaving. The only reason I set a cap at all was to have a chance at the furnishing.


Beyond that, you wouldn't set a cap at all if you were trying to be efficient. You're only there to kill NMs and complete the objective for the floor. If you encounter lamps you'd simply kill the NMs on that floor and warp/temp out to save time.

If your goal is ZNM pops/trophies or the table, why would you risk jumping over floors 20/40/60/80?

With 2+ people, I lock to 100 and usually get there or to 3+ boss floors. As a solo, 20 is a good strat.

The goal is never ZNM stuff. GO do ZNM if you need trophies and triggers, as that is a better use of your time.


If I set cap to 60 and skip the whole way, I'll finish with a fair amount of time left. That extra time is the reserve you dip into if you get close to a boss floor. You can go up one floor at a time for a few floors and still get the second boss at the end. Not 100%, but very consistent.


If I were doing as you suggested and setting cap at 20, I would start out going up one floor at a time until I was running low on time. Then I'd skip floors to reach the end before timing out. That's the best way to get as many items as you can.

Guy didnt read this part it seems:

"getting as many items as you can" when theyre not the main focus of you're going for is just dumb. No ones suggesting to ignore field NM's on the way up to 20.

Furthermore, there are assigned NM's per section, its not a random pool.

You want to try your luck for pulse weapons?
1-19: 7/18 NM's drop weapons
21-39: 4/18 drop weapons
41-59: 11/18 drop weapons (The sins live here)
61-79: 7/18 drop weapons
81-99: 12/18 drop weapons
HNM's can spawn 50+ but there isnt much information on what ??? item they drop.

Counterpoint: ZNM sucks and isn't fun, NNI is fun in small doses.

Although my actual counterpoint is that you can fish for ZNM pops and get tokens towards your mythic simultaneously. Half-assing two things isn't as optimal as whole-assing one thing, but it's a nice change of pace.

Between all the travel and burning through the trapper 2000 to get the zeni (which also involves having 49 free inventory spots), getting a tinnin, sara and tyger pop is probably a full day's endeavor for a soloer.

Its hard to say. You might be correct. I've found a Peacock Amulet/Bounding Boots. But never the BCNM/HNM equivalent.

Thats probably because you're getting the base appraised item from Lizzy / Argus within Nyzul, nothing related to the campaign bonus.


Then again, theres no LL or Argus in NNI, but is it possible you're mixing things up?

It was definitely during a campaign in NNI. On this newer char I haven't really done much of the standard NNI as embarrassing as it is.

The appraised items are the only thing that the campaign affects. Why would anything else be the focus of why you're going during a campaign?



ZNM sucks and isn't fun, as compared to all lamps - specific order? Child please.

Also already addressed tokens. 3-4x more from the other Nyzul. You're in the wrong place again.



It takes me several hours to finish a ZNM run.

To get all the pops/trophies you'd need from +2 boxes, you're probably running several hours, daily, for the extent of the campaign and still having to fill in gaps after that.


I'm not disputing that you can passively farm items. The point I'm making is that if you're actively trying to finish, that will happen in less time just doing what you're supposed to rather than relying on RNG to bless you with what you need.

I literally said a soloer needing all 3 T4 trophies starting from scratch.

If you need pulse weapons, pick up potpourri buff and give RMT a couple million gil during xp bonus event. You wont have to do shitty nyzul.

I know what you said Nynja. I am doing these solo in a matter of hours and it's far more efficient than even the most blessed RNG in NNI campaign.


It will STILL take you several hours a day on average during a campaign to actually reach the 25k you need, nevermind the items required to unlock Emporox.

Compare this to several hours of farming T3 in Zi'tah. Clear winner assuming you can handle the NMs.


If you are actively trying to get something, doing it the normal way is a better use of your time. Just about anything is a better use of your money than paying someone to play FFXI for you.

So I'll take it you have VW campaign flagged as "***, not helpful to anyone".

I think VW campaign is useful until it's not, just like the rest of the campaigns. Do you need key items? Can you kill the NMs efficiently enough to make it worth your time elsewhere? These answers are not the same for everyone.