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Future of Final Fantasy XI may change.
By Aerison 2018-11-20 10:52:36
What other big streamer/successful players played XI?
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-11-20 10:53:05
What is interesting is that FFXI seems to be common denominator for a lot of successful players in fighting game, FPS, and 3PS communities.
I have noticed this as well.
The fundamentals of classic FFXI were (i) teamwork-oriented, (ii) strategy-focused, and (iii) inundated with complex systems. As many others have mused, this effectively filtered out players who did not thrive in an environment heavy on the above three factors.
It is thus not surprising to me that such players went on to become titans and heavyhitters of other online games which have similar qualities. I have noted time and time again that, on the whole, FFXI players (even today) are, more often than not, highly analytical, intelligent, resourceful, communicative, competitive, and sometimes elitist. But again, I think that classic FFXI was the spawning pool of an elite sliver of the gaming population. I have to agree. A lot of people in my hnmls were snotty elitist ***. Lately I’m finding this much rarer then before.
By kalimairo 2018-11-20 11:09:05
So was he actually any good when he played? Anyone know who he was? or was he a casual From what i have seen he knows the basics
By Afania 2018-11-20 12:02:24
that stream started with 4 hours of fortnite gameplay (he got more that 2k $ just for that btw...). he have 12Million followers. He used a FFXI cover as thumbnail. He played low level stuff in Windurt, chatting ingame and reading the live chat, not paying much attention to the game. Atcing "excited" few times. The whole content blurred in a blurple fluo-light... Overall seemed to me a sponsored gameplay.
But some people in the chat, beside the absurd fanboys spam, was curious/pleased to see him supporting FFXI. It will maybe get someone to reactivate or give a try, nothing noticiable. Unless he's going to do it again, on a regular basis, but i highly doubt.
I actually run into someone who just started, who said they play FFXI for the first time in his life, claimed he started ffxi because of ninjas stream. He said he enjoys the game so far.
I don't think ffxi will suddenly turn into a mmo with 5k players on every server because of him, but I do think his stream will affect sub number. Stream is a powerful marketing tool and you guys are underestimating the power of it lol.
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »there's no meaning behind it, it's just a kid who played 11 before and wanted to get back on it like everyone else who reactivates and says hi for a month
if you want meaning, see what they have to say at the live event next month
From the perspective of hard core community on these forum who do the hardest content, discuss dps math and optimal setup, play with inner circle of serious player in ambu VD, it probably doesn't matter if someone just reactivate for a month and say hi, and made a couple of his viewers sub for a month and say hi too.
For SE it's x% increase in revenue this month. I would totally take advantage of it if I work for SE.
FFXI players (even today) are, more often than not, highly analytical, intelligent, resourceful, communicative, competitive, and sometimes elitist.
FFXI has a lot of players thats not like that, but they usually don't belong in the connection circle of player that's like that.
So many of us don't run into these people very often.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Hypnox 2018-11-20 12:34:21
So was he actually any good when he played? Anyone know who he was? or was he a casual
He was on the same server as me and my buddies. When he mentioned his old name we remembered his name, what job he played and that he was a Taru. I don't recall him being in any of the good endgame linkshells on our server though.
What other big streamer/successful players played XI?
MaximillianDOOD is another guy who played XI.
By Foxfire 2018-11-20 12:39:40
What other big streamer/successful players played XI? if you consider him "big", mrhappy on-and-offs FFXI when he gets bored of XIV, I guess.
he's only "big" within the xiv world, which is trivial compared to ninja but it is a recognizable name i suppose
By Jetackuu 2018-11-20 13:04:42
Who gives a rats *** what some loser does just because a bunch of other losers follow him and watch his non-content?
Also private servers are dumb and so are the people who waste their time on them. Get a job and pay your damn sub like any other selfrespee... wait, nvm.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-11-20 13:07:50
Who gives a rats *** what some loser does just because a bunch of other losers follow him and watch his non-content?
Also private servers are dumb and so are the people who waste their time on them. Get a job and pay your damn sub like any other selfrespee... wait, nvm. Lol
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By Bahamut.Inspectorgadget 2018-11-20 13:10:34
What other big streamer/successful players played XI?
Not really that famous but I was in a linkshell with this dude one time.
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He's also the creator of an RPG called "Revenge of the ***"
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By Aerison 2018-11-20 14:45:08
Not sure I'd consider any of those successful or big.
By Draylo 2018-11-20 15:32:48
I just don't understand how fortnite is so popular.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2018-11-20 16:05:14
What is interesting is that FFXI seems to be common denominator for a lot of successful players in fighting game, FPS, and 3PS communities.
I have noticed this as well.
The fundamentals of classic FFXI were (i) teamwork-oriented, (ii) strategy-focused, and (iii) inundated with complex systems. As many others have mused, this effectively filtered out players who did not thrive in an environment heavy on the above three factors.
It is thus not surprising to me that such players went on to become titans and heavyhitters of other online games which have similar qualities. I have noted time and time again that, on the whole, FFXI players (even today) are, more often than not, highly analytical, intelligent, resourceful, communicative, competitive, and sometimes elitist. But again, I think that classic FFXI was the spawning pool of an elite sliver of the gaming population. Who are those famous/great video game players you speak of?
Some ex-FFXI players became somewhat famous in the fighting game community but not as players as far as I know. Emperor Cow is probably the only FFXI player that played fighting games at a good level that I can remember and even then that's limited.
FFXI mostly happened when those people mentioned were teens. As such, it's normal that they tried it out but they most likely never went that far.
I know several people who are perma Challenger on LoL, GE on CS GO and so on, they never achieved anything on FFXI. In fact, they all found it unappealing for different reasons.
I do agree with you however that people who were deeply interested in FFXI were analytical and so on. Maybe I was too easily influenced back then but several point of view expressed on KI/here when it came to analyzing stuff kind of stuck with me.
However, I disagree that it's the same nowadays. The first thing that struck me when I came back 5/6 months ago is that players aren't what you describe anymore.
Nowadays, barely anyone cares about pushing a job further, barely anyone cares about anyone else's opinion. They have all the gear they desire, they can clear anything, they firmly believe they are the ***as they are and that it will remain so.
On one hand I agree that the game is in such a way that you can afford to take it easy, mostly, but on the other hand, these people have forgotten and given up on old strategies and it's preventing them from clearing some stuff now.
I remember a time when you'd say "let me tank Tinnin as SAM" (before it was bandwagoned to death) and people would trust you. Nowadays, you simply suggest using a different strategy and they laugh. I mean, they have the same gear as you, they are Master just like you, who would they listen to your opinion.
The values you speak of have disappeared, they're only remnants in the people who played back then, people who were irrelevant back then and now "became relevant" don't have this spark and will most likely never do.
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By Jetackuu 2018-11-20 16:14:00
I just don't understand how fortnite is so popular.
Same with most games, or "streaming." /shrug
By volkom 2018-11-20 16:15:48
I just don't understand how fortnite is so popular.
Same with most games, or "streaming." /shrug
it appeals to a large audience cuz it has whacky colors, competitive gameplay, battle royale mode, can be played on mobile
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-11-20 16:19:33
I just don't understand how fortnite is so popular.
Same with most games, or "streaming." /shrug
it appeals to a large audience cuz it has whacky colors, competitive gameplay, battle royale mode, can be played on mobile Sounds like porn hub.
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By Draylo 2018-11-20 16:21:52
I watch my nephews play it and I just shake my head because it looks so stupid and boring to me. Then I see games like Pokemon getting further dumbed down. I wonder if this newest generation is killing gaming lol.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2018-11-20 16:28:21
I watch my nephews play it and I just shake my head because it looks so stupid and boring to me. Then I see games like Pokemon getting further dumbed down. I wonder if this newest generation is killing gaming lol. Are you suggesting to kill the new generation? Or the new video game generation?
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By Asura.Syto 2018-11-20 19:30:50
I watch my nephews play it and I just shake my head because it looks so stupid and boring to me. Then I see games like Pokemon getting further dumbed down. I wonder if this newest generation is killing gaming lol. Are you suggesting to kill the new generation? Or the new video game generation?
Lets Kill Them. ^_^
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By Asura.Aeonova 2018-11-20 20:04:55
Bahamut.Inspectorgadget said: »What other big streamer/successful players played XI?
Not really that famous but I was in a linkshell with this dude one time.
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He's also the creator of an RPG called "Revenge of the ***"
He was Dorkmage on Kujata. Ended up getting banned for clipping a LV1 mule into Sky way back in the day.
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By Zerowone 2018-11-20 20:11:05
I just don't understand how fortnite is so popular.
Same with most games, or "streaming." /shrug
it appeals to a large audience cuz it has whacky colors, competitive gameplay, battle royale mode, can be played on mobile Sounds like porn hub.
AND most importantly “Free” *(because you can still pay for a premium option).
Thing I don’t get with kids today is they’d rather watch someone who is good at game, than play it and get better.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2018-11-20 20:16:18
I though Ninja died from updog or something
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By Sylph.Elwynbelwyn 2018-11-20 20:30:17
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »However, I disagree that it's the same nowadays. The first thing that struck me when I came back 5/6 months ago is that players aren't what you describe anymore. I'm going to put the line at when CoP got uncapped. I may have hated how hard level capped zones were, and the airship fight was one of the few where the record time was more than half of the time limit. It went overnight from super hard to easy, then to super easy with level 99. But I was lucky that someone in my LS wanted to finish CoP before it got uncapped, and it really taught me to git gud. I had to learn stuff like "you're a WHM, sure you can cast Reraise, but if you don't use an earring, the MP recovery time will cut into the time limit, and you're not finishing that stupid airship fight until you do".
These days I'm only coming back for the Return to Vanadiel weeks, to do stuff like endgame fishing (those last three fish, grrrr) and starting a Yagrush for the lulz (already got Assaults done thanks to an LS mate). I spend most of my MMO time these days in Shroud of the Avatar. A lot of the reason is because I got to see FFXI in its dying days, and I wanted to see an MMO in its early days. And I got it. Also a single population, no being on the wrong server.
He was Dorkmage on Kujata. Ended up getting banned for clipping a LV1 mule into Sky way back in the day. lolcookies
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By Asura.Tydis 2018-11-20 20:40:50
I though Ninja died from updog or something Nah, he cured it with dikphor
By Tarage 2018-11-20 21:29:42
Bahamut.Inspectorgadget said: »What other big streamer/successful players played XI?
Not really that famous but I was in a linkshell with this dude one time.
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He's also the creator of an RPG called "Revenge of the ***"
Your link gets broken by the censors.
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By Voren 2018-11-21 02:45:26
I though Ninja died from updog or something Nah, he cured it with dikphor
It wasn't easy from what I remember. He got ligma in the process.
Pretty sure you can get rid of that with amata.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2018-11-21 04:49:17
FFXI takes a different skill set than that required to excel at other genre. Even if an example of a successful player across genres exists it''s probably just correlation, and is due to the player's quality as a competitive person in general (willing to learn, diligent blah blah)
Maximillian is "ok" at fighting games at best. His channel is pretty entertaining for a lot of people though and he appeals to the casual crowd, and that apparently does have an effect on the popularity of fighting games. So you don't really need to be a top-tier 1337 player with pimp gear for your channel to boost the popularity of FFXI game. You just need to be entertaining, and make the game look entertaining. That's how you sell yourself + the game to viewers.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Who are those famous/great video game players you speak of?
Some ex-FFXI players became somewhat famous in the fighting game community but not as players as far as I know. Emperor Cow is probably the only FFXI player that played fighting games at a good level that I can remember and even then that's limited. Oh, E.Cow played FFXI? Interesting. I should bring it up the next regional major we both happen to attend (too bad he is only obsessed with DOA, which I like but I like other stuff too).
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-11-21 05:22:44
Maximilian is good at fighting games.
He's not at the level to compete among the top 20 people in the world in official e-sports competition, but saying he's just "ok" would be pretty untrue.
He's a good player, not world top level, but a good player.
I don't know why you people look at things so often as black or white. Someone is either at the top or meh, everything else is the same.
Wut? There's a whole lot of shades of grey in between and Max sits high in that. Way below the best, but still way above your average "ok" player.
With this said, I absolutely 101% agree with what you were saying. You don't need to be the best player in the world on a specific game to be making a meaningful contribution in the visibility of that game/genre. Not at all! You're totally right on that.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2018-11-21 06:53:54
I don't know why you people look at things so often as black or white. Someone is either at the top or meh, everything else is the same.
Wut? There's a whole lot of shades of grey in between and Max sits high in that. Way below the best, but still way above your average "ok" player. Eh, I know better not to think with that mentality (funny enough I was displeased with the amount of elitism in the thread, only to be called out as one). It's just my honest assessment of him (habits, execution, etc) after watching a few videos. I guess I just expected more of him (in terms of overall skill) given that FGs are his main focus. If you think he's descent because he's shown otherwise on different occasions in different games then cool.
As you know an ongoing conversation that is had between many players and ex-players is "When will the game end?"
The future of the game has always been unknown for us passionate players who just cannot stop coming back. I sometimes worry that my last 15 years in this game will someday lead to 25 years then to have it all disappear and will just be a memory like an old Nintendo Cartridge that will never be playable again.
As much as this makes my stomach unsettled, I had a great deal of relief today by one simple act a well known streamer did, which blew my mind. The influence this could have on the population of the game and the chance of getting new and old players to really make that come back to the game.
I will cut to the chase at this point because I am sure many do not know this happened.
The famous streamer known as "NINJA" Recently made a return to playing Final Fantasy XI on a private server, before you say its just a private server that doesn't mean much, I find it does and here is why.
Shedding the light back on something as nostalgic as this game that I am sure many more have tried than we know, I seem to run into a lot of people who have tried this game but never really gave it much of a chance. Seeing someone as influential as Ninja playing this at all can only mean good things to come as far as population and solidarity of the future.
I began to wonder is this some sort of coincidence that December 2nd they are announcing the FFXI mobile games trailer, or is it just a fluke that he made the come back.
Either way I am very excited about it and for those who do not watch youtube channels on FFXI, the tuber- Work to Game has made a commentary and there is some footage of Ninja streaming the game from a private server, I hope you all enjoy this and makes you all as excited as I am.
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