Which Is Best Hand To Make SAM TP?

He's talking about Samurai Roll.

But you're right, it would be worthless to try and get better than a 6-hit because even though you would technically take less hits, you would have to swing more times to get those hits because of diminished ACC.

If you need a cor to cap acc or get close enough in xp... fail!

seeing as cor can't do haste 0

fact. Whether its my mnk (dual wield/h2h category) or my tomoe sam (2hand, at 256 skill), I don't need acc food or acc roll/song in bird parties, and pizza+1 does the job on mamools.

They can do DA+, Which is a shitty haste, my point is you lose the potential of other rolls, weighing your options is probably not worth it.

You can do solo 3way light with a standard 6 hit as well.

As for the +50 store tp, yeah it sounds cool, but it will at most chop off one hit off the standard sam build most of the time, not sure about other 2h's. Not to mention the whole inconsistency of, if the roll wears off between ws's, it pretty much has minimal benefit for those rounds.

Perhaps but it is harder and damn cors and there not keeping there rolls up

It's not significantly harder.

And it's not about keeping up rolls, even if you're overlaying rather then letting them run out to reapply, the first roll will generally not be enough to cut off a hit, you'll have to double up to actually get store tp to a level where it has an effect so all you have to do is get a hit in there.

Also the WS +% rate is lower than advertised as gained by an X-hit

I'd say Hachiman or Hachiman +1 if you're using GK. If you're using Polearm and have Usukane feet, you can use Dusk and still get a 5-hit build.

This.

5hit build from just usu feet? Maybe ghetto 5-hit(depending on ws return and not getting feather tickled), but that does not give you a true 5hit

unforgiveable...lol at vegetto's pic

You forgot about Rindomaru, pretty easy to get 5-hit with that.

I never said it'd be a true 5-hit with just Hachi feet. But, if you're using Polearm and are /war or /drg you're probably going to get hit once even if you get tickled after a WS which will put you at 100% for your WS. Otherwise, you'll still get the WS even if your first hit misses.

Tue x-hit always > ghetto xhit.
Should have at least labeled it ghetto 5hit lol. Most ppl by reading that would be under the impression that you meant actual 5hit.

lol... There's really no difference to it when you're fighting though tbh. Either you have TP from the previous WS or you get hit once. Either way, you have TP for another WS after 5 hits and only Hachi feet.

Lol everyone says that and i've been in pts w/ ghetto 5hits w/ my true 5hit and the number of ws' we've fired off at the end of the party is a noticeable diff, even when we're sporting the same hitrate and haste.

*Shrugs.* The only time it will affect your TP on a Polearm is if you fail so hard that you missed 2-3 of your Penta hits w/ low Store TP on your ws set. If that's the case, you shouldn't be going for a 5-hit anyway.

I'm not saying it doesn't work at all. I'm just saying true 5-hit > false 5hit, every time, even if only a smidge.

To the OP, i would prefer if you would work your way to getting Askar Korazin, to equip it full time with brutal earring and rajas ring to keep your 6 hit build, if you have fully merited your sTP. This way you can equip dusk gloves to give you the added haste, over using hachiman kote's. This is the build that most SAM's that i know of take.

Except that Askar pretty much sucks for sam if you don't have the accuracy to support it.

To Vegetto's point I use a half-assed 5-hit that depends on hitting a certain number of Penta hits and it really sucks when it lets you down. I don't have full Usu so my 5-hit consists of Usu feet, Rajas, Brutal and Rose which leaves me needing 22TP for every WS to make it work, but allows Dusk hands instead of needing Hachi. Just a personal judgment call for me.

Holy *** *** no. Askar Korazin is for DRGs and Amano SAMs with no Usukane.

Rose, Rajas, Brutal along with Ecphoria Ring during TP phase is the best non-Usukane 6-hit you can get. Dusk Gloves + Rose > Hachi hands + Pole

or Nanatsusayanotachi, Ikishoten Merits, and crappy acc.

Lol the only problem with that is with crappy acc you can miss the zanshin hit pretty easy too lol. If only you cuold like change your acc inbetween or something. Or found the right % that nets you a bit more on average

I still think its cool they named a great katana after me :X

lmao jk.

And i actually have a great question concerning hit builds, i got that rose strap that gives Store TP+20 within campaign and began having a little fun with my soboro for shits and giggles. I was landing 20 TP a hit on the nose which made it pretty hilarious. (Keep in mind this is in campaign)

I was like hmm, i wonder how far i can push it and if i can actually get a 4 hit in campaign which would be effin sweet. So i pulled out the lolRindomaru i got for the hell of it with +15 store TP and put on the askar korazzin and chiv chain for even more lulz.

I took a swing and..... 20 TP... i just added almost 21+ more Store TP... is there a cap on it like haste or accuracy? Because i want to assume there is. I want to assume it can be broken with a Corsair.

I haven't done much research on this and i found it interesting. Any thoughts?

PS) i know that +21~ Store TP wouldn't have taken me to a full 25 but i just wanted to see how close i could get.

The hard cap from gear/JA sTP is 51. That does NOT include the trait or merits so the definitive cap is 86. Basically no matter what job you're on, if you had Brutal Earring and got an 11 Samurai Roll with a SAM in the party, your sTP is capped.

Kinda sucks, I had to find that out the hard way also.

See that's what i thought, So basically a 4-hit isn't actually possible?

Not with a GK, no. Not even with a 480-Delay GK. You'd still cap at 24.1 TP.

You'd need a 497-delay weapon to breach 4-hit.