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 Shiva.Nikolce
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2018-11-21 10:49:35
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Wanna know how gullible liberals are? 67 percent of Democrats believe it is "definitely true" or "probably true" that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected."

Doesn't seem too bad compared to the percentage of conservatives believing in an imaginary all powerful being.

What makes you certain god doesn’t exist?

Well you need to post your evidence here. If you can't, it's facts I don't like.

we've been over this....idk how many times. but god has to exist, at the very least as an abstract idea, or we couldn't be having a discussion about it all....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-11-21 10:51:09
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Medical Marijuana Patient Sues Trump Administration Over Ban On Gun Ownership
The plaintiff, a doctor who is also licensed to prescribe cannabis, claims the prohibition violates his Second and Fifth Amendment rights.

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By Nausi 2018-11-21 10:54:02
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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I remember watching some science channel movie about 12 years ago that forcasted an oil drought by now. People were going to be shooting people and stealing the oil in their home oil tanks. Beating them up over the last drops of 15 dollar gasoline at a gas station.

Leftists and enviro-wackos were utterly wrong again. How about that? It’s almost as if nothing they belive is actually based in reality.
It wasn't lefties and enviros who invented the peak oil concept, it was oil company economists. It was part of a pitch for more subsidies. It was also at the dawn of fracking.
Peak oil has been the cornerstone of every leftist advocation for a more centralized environmental policy.

“Its running out, give up your freedoms.”
“Its running out, give up your freedoms.”

Leftists hate energy independence. It dissolves the reason for their authority.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-11-21 10:54:07
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And just because I can't resist...

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By Nausi 2018-11-21 10:58:00
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Vic is wrong again, imagine that.
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By Zerowone 2018-11-21 11:31:11
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It’s also the fake moral indignation that gets applied to the left while turning a blind eye and making excuses for the transgressions when committed by the right. Moderates and Leftists find that *** “funny” as ***.

You do realize that that goes both ways, right?

Everything can go both ways but the left are stereotyped as amoral atheists so it’s a weird point in this context.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-11-21 11:42:19
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It’s also the fake moral indignation that gets applied to the left while turning a blind eye and making excuses for the transgressions when committed by the right. Moderates and Leftists find that *** “funny” as ***.

You do realize that that goes both ways, right?

Everything can go both ways but the left are stereotyped as amoral atheists so it’s a weird point in this context.

The funny thing about stereotypes is that there's a reason why they exist. They're also a stupid way to view the world, but what can you do.
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By Nausi 2018-11-21 12:03:20
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It’s also the fake moral indignation that gets applied to the left while turning a blind eye and making excuses for the transgressions when committed by the right. Moderates and Leftists find that *** “funny” as ***.

You do realize that that goes both ways, right?

Everything can go both ways but the left are stereotyped as amoral atheists so it’s a weird point in this context.
The left are the ones who on one hand subscribe to relativism, them in the very next sentence claim trump is hitler.

Stop asking question, punch a nazi.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2018-11-21 12:28:40
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Everything can go both ways

phrasing BOOM!
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By fonewear 2018-11-21 12:32:56
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-11-21 12:57:54
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Everything can go both ways
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 14:08:13
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Vic is wrong again, imagine that.

Thanks for posting a graph that has nothing to do with what I said lol. It was very amusing. Production has nothing to do with total reserves, like I said, you know nothing.
 
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-11-21 14:37:18
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 14:52:03
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Saudia Arabia and Venezuela are sitting on the largest reserves and nothing can change that. Venezuela is just too unstable to produce it at the highest levels and the Saudis are pouting. They want other OPEC countries to start pulling their weight, including Venezuela. The US isnt burdened by the drama in OPEC, but increasing our production isnt going to magically make our oil reserves larger.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 14:59:42
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Its nice too see the Chief Justice slap Trump down for his whining.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-11-21 15:09:31
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“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a Wednesday statement provided to Fox News. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."

In an ideal sense, he's right. In the reality we actually live in, though, he couldn't be more wrong. Activist judges not only exist, they actively attempt to thwart any orders they don't like.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-11-21 15:21:58
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a Wednesday statement provided to Fox News. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."
In an ideal sense, he's right. In the reality we actually live in, though, he couldn't be more wrong. Activist judges not only exist, they actively attempt to thwart any orders they don't like.
You mean like how the supremes invented commercial speech and then decided that the biggest problem the founding fathers ran across was that there wasn't enough commercial speech in our elections?
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By Nausi 2018-11-21 16:34:30
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Saudia Arabia and Venezuela are sitting on the largest reserves and nothing can change that. Venezuela is just too unstable to produce it at the highest levels and the Saudis are pouting. They want other OPEC countries to start pulling their weight, including Venezuela. The US isnt burdened by the drama in OPEC, but increasing our production isnt going to magically make our oil reserves larger.
This is prehistoric thinking at this point. The predominance of shale oil has made those oil reserves elsewhere obsolete.

And you didnt specify you were talking about oil reserves. “They have the most oil” can mean production too. But please continue to cry about it and think you aren’t wrong about everything you speak of.
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By Nausi 2018-11-21 16:35:55
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Ron Desantis, won 18% of the black femal vote.

This is after all those votes that they stole too.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 20:26:03
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Saudia Arabia and Venezuela are sitting on the largest reserves and nothing can change that. Venezuela is just too unstable to produce it at the highest levels and the Saudis are pouting. They want other OPEC countries to start pulling their weight, including Venezuela. The US isnt burdened by the drama in OPEC, but increasing our production isnt going to magically make our oil reserves larger.
This is prehistoric thinking at this point. The predominance of shale oil has made those oil reserves elsewhere obsolete.

And you didnt specify you were talking about oil reserves. “They have the most oil” can mean production too. But please continue to cry about it and think you aren’t wrong about everything you speak of.

Lol no, you just completely made that up to cover up your failed charts that meant nothing. Nice attempt but you failed again, the presence of shale has not made a dent in the status of the Saudis and Venezuelans as the kings of oil. As i originally stated, they still have the most oil, the US isnt even close to them and never will be. Your politics cant change it. Such an ignorant troll.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 20:27:19
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Ron Desantis, won 18% of the black femal vote.

So his opponent won 80%? Is this supposed to mean something?
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By Nausi 2018-11-21 20:43:53
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Vic keeps talking, will he ever say anything that matters?

(Probably not)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2018-11-21 21:44:15
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Viciouss said: »
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Ron Desantis, won 18% of the black femal vote.

So his opponent won 80%? Is this supposed to mean something?

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Your intellectual high ground shtick falls to pieces when you make willfully ignorant posts like this.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 21:57:34
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Vic keeps talking, will he ever say anything that matters?

(Probably not)

And yet you are well beneath us all.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 22:03:53
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Ron Desantis, won 18% of the black femal vote.

So his opponent won 80%? Is this supposed to mean something?

...

Your intellectual high ground shtick falls to pieces when you make willfully ignorant posts like this.

I haven't seen the exit polls, have you? Remember its nausi, he just made up some *** numbers about the Russian investigation earlier. Nothing is too fake for him.
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By Viciouss 2018-11-21 22:09:49
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“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a Wednesday statement provided to Fox News. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."

In an ideal sense, he's right. In the reality we actually live in, though, he couldn't be more wrong. Activist judges not only exist, they actively attempt to thwart any orders they don't like.

It seems like he just got tired of Trump whining and attacking judges that don't rule in his favor, that's his only motivation for attacking them. Maybe he should stop issuing illegal EOs? You can't deny people asylum requests because you don't like the way they are making them.
All of Trump's attacks on due process have and will go down in flames, and its a bipartisan rejection. His acting AG appointment is going down, most likely in unanimous rulings. He thinks he is a tyrant that can do whatever he wants, and nobody is interested. The argument about judicial activism, while legit, cannot be applied to Trump's tantrums.
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-11-22 01:06:23
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a Wednesday statement provided to Fox News. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."

In an ideal sense, he's right. In the reality we actually live in, though, he couldn't be more wrong. Activist judges not only exist, they actively attempt to thwart any orders they don't like.

Normally this isn't an issue as a federal judges peers tend to frown on that sort of behavior. Unfortunately when a court is saturated in extreme liberal judges, then there is no peer pressure to maintain a balance and instead it becomes a race on who can be the most extreme. This is why we see so much insanity coming from California and New York courts.

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“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,” Roberts said in a Wednesday statement provided to Fox News. “What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them."
In an ideal sense, he's right. In the reality we actually live in, though, he couldn't be more wrong. Activist judges not only exist, they actively attempt to thwart any orders they don't like.
You mean like how the supremes invented commercial speech and then decided that the biggest problem the founding fathers ran across was that there wasn't enough commercial speech in our elections?

That's not what happened. People attempted to use the courts to silence opposition they didn't like and it all backfired on them.

The Constitution guarantees freedom of association through the 1st Amendment. The plaintiffs thought to argue that non-people entities shouldn't be allowed to spend their money on advertisements for messages they agreed or disagreed with. The Supreme Court said that the Constitution doesn't anything about those non-people entities not being allowed to spend money that way, and in fact since non-people entities are treated as people in matters of law, the in the matters of law restricting speech they would be treated as people and thus have a 1st Amendment right to freedom of association.

To ignorant lefties his seems ludicrous since how can evil scrounge McDuck corporations with Palpatine as their CEO possibly have the right to own anything, much less the right to freedom of association. Yet non-people entities having Constitutionally granted rights is a long established legal concept. Otherwise how could things like due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizures exist? If non-people entities did not have Constitutionally protected rights, then Emperor Trump could snap his fingers and dissolve the entire Rebel Alliance Democrat party. By administratively classifying the DNC as a terrorist organization, it would then become illegitimate with nothing they could do because the DNC wouldn't have any Constitutional right to exist. The Democrat party is a non-people entity, as is every non-profit and foundation that the Democrats use to store their wealth.

The same legal concepts that allow political parties to exist, that allow charities to exist, that allow universities to exist also allow business's to exist and protect them all the same. The right to due process is an extremely powerful right, almost as powerful as the right to self defense and the right to freedom of speech.
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By Zerowone 2018-11-22 01:18:32
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Ron Desantis, won 18% of the black femal vote.

So his opponent won 80%? Is this supposed to mean something?

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Your intellectual high ground shtick falls to pieces when you make willfully ignorant posts like this.

It’s basic math. It’s even in Nausi’s source reference.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mtonews.com/.amp/gilliam-lost-because-black-women-voted-for-desantis-poll

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While Gillum received 92% of the vote from Black men - he only received 82% of the vote of Black women. And surprisingly DeSantis - who ran a campaign that many are calling "racist" - received nearly 20% of the Black female vote.
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By Nausi 2018-11-22 07:53:36
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This Thanksgiving let’s all remember that Democrats are the ones who are more likely to break ties over politics.

Happy Thanksgiving all!
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