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the A.M.A.N. Trove BC
 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-05-16 06:11:12
Got lucky with this today. No loud thuds. Previously had 3 loud thuds on 3 diff orbs with junk drops so i guess this makes up for it. I didn't know you can get OMEN body without loud thud. There's a small chance in the initial gold chest to be a "loud thud" gold chest.
It's just a chance, but it can happen.
By fonewear 2019-05-16 08:13:26
To all the people out there watch out for scammers. Lot of people saying they are selling want you to pop orb before getting paid. Be aware.
By soralin 2019-05-16 11:33:36
Always pay first then pop! Theres more than enough reputable buyers, and all of us will pay you before popping for sure.
If they refused, dont feel bad going back to town to shout for a new buyer. You will find one.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2019-05-16 11:44:50
got a loud thud after 10 orbs yesterday and it was a *** yggdreant root
hah.......
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By Odin.Botosi 2019-05-16 19:15:13
Got a Nisroch Jerkin today off of a loud thud.
Guess I need to upgrade my annihilator or gear up Cor? What's it even good for?
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By Asura.Chaostaru 2019-05-16 19:52:48
Got a Nisroch Jerkin today off of a loud thud.
Guess I need to upgrade my annihilator or gear up Cor? What's it even good for? Maybe a Gandiva Jishnu's Radiance build for ranger? other than that, Oshosi Vest +1 blows it outta the water for a midshot set rng/cor and is a solid mag eva piece + that double/tripleshot %+
By volkom 2019-05-16 21:52:50
Lockstyle!
 Bahamut.Agerine
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By Bahamut.Agerine 2019-05-16 22:33:21
One of my favorite lockstyles forever.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-05-17 03:11:17
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »12/100 is pretty damn good consider how often you can do it. You'd need a community experiment to do like 1000 and not many people are willing to risk their orbs.
I'm not saying it isn't a good chunk for how often you can do it, but when you're trying to calculate results you can't base an adequate sample size on how difficult data collection is. 12/100 isn't enough to say it's 12%, it's not even enough to say it's between 9 and 15%.
7/7 or whatever isn't enough to say it's 100% either, and 'a few' means you probably didn't log any of it. 0.7% chance of going 7/7 at 50%. Almost 50% chance(47.8%) at going 7/7 at 90%. It likely is 100%(less likely on the 12%), but when you claim conclusions without adequate data you weaken your argument. If we assume that Venus is 100% gear from gold chest, what would be the % chance of obtaining "rare" gear over Mars's (let's assume for the sake of having a rough idea) 12%?
Would it make Venus the better choice? I guess we lack data to be able to reach any conclusion but could we simulate it?
I guess the answer isn't as simple as cost of orb difference and nothing else.
I'm not doing Trove for money personally, I'm only doing it for bodies (any) or rare stuff in general (so anything beyond Escha Ru'Aun) and I've had terrible luck following the any thud > exit. So if we are able to come up with a better plan in that regard, I'm all for it. I'm about to gold chest only starting this month if there is nothing better.
By Taint 2019-05-17 05:45:02
Last month I did 3 Venus gold chest only and came away with crafting mats and a Nibiru staff.
Could have been bad RNG but Venus does not guarantee a gear drop.
By geigei 2019-05-17 06:09:23
Venus does not guarantee a gear drop. This is 100% corect, i've done tons of venus gold only, gear % is very high though.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-05-17 06:42:33
Last month I did 3 Venus gold chest only and came away with crafting mats and a Nibiru staff.
Could have been bad RNG but Venus does not guarantee a gear drop. All right, that's the usual stuff I get every month.
So there really is no point to Venus in the end, I find this weird.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2019-05-17 07:25:51
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Last month I did 3 Venus gold chest only and came away with crafting mats and a Nibiru staff.
Could have been bad RNG but Venus does not guarantee a gear drop. All right, that's the usual stuff I get every month.
So there really is no point to Venus in the end, I find this weird. I agree. One time I did 20 mars and 20 Venus. The only big difference I noticed with Venus was less mimic encounters on the first 4 chest openings compared to mars by like 70 percent. The items I did get from Venus was just higher priced items I could sell. But I’m sure someone has a bigger amount of data to compare.
By tyalangan 2019-05-17 08:04:15
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Last month I did 3 Venus gold chest only and came away with crafting mats and a Nibiru staff.
Could have been bad RNG but Venus does not guarantee a gear drop. All right, that's the usual stuff I get every month.
So there really is no point to Venus in the end, I find this weird. But I’m sure someone has a bigger amount of data to compare.
I wanted to wait until I had 100 Venus to compare with my 100 Mars test but since it’s a trending relevant topic I’ll post my current results when I get to my computer with the data.
By geigei 2019-05-17 08:04:16
Venus also have higher loud thuds chance.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2019-05-17 08:07:51
Venus also have higher loud thuds chance. This was semi true on my experience but it was crap mostly for me. Ironically all omen gear and tar tar platemail have been mars.
By Fayona 2019-05-17 08:36:03
I’ve gotten A Tartarus Mail and Udug both off of Mars Orbs as well. The last time I got a loud thud on a Venus it ended up being a Colada
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By tyalangan 2019-05-17 08:36:36
Venus orb Gold Chest Only tests are taking a bit longer due to the fact that I received about 50 Mars from Bonanza. This months campaign should give me an additional 30-40 Venus orbs depending on if I get my new batch of mules to 99.
Round One (100 Mars Orb Test):
Code
MARS:
1/99 Nisroch Jerkin
11 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF, Non-augment Reisenmjima)
1 Annealed Lance (this didn’t matter at the time but is notable now)
~1% chance of Omen Body
~12% chance of equipment
VENUS:
0/4
4 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF)
~100% chance of equipment
Round Two (100 Venus Orb Test):
Code
MARS:
0/22
3 General Equipment (Zitah, HTBF)
~13% chance of equipment
VENUS:
0/34
29 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF, Vagary, Non-augment Reiseinjima)
5 Other (Macuil Plating, Defiant Scarf, Defiant sweat, Macuil horn, Macuil Horn)
~85% chance of equipment
~14% chance of other
Not sure what all “other” can include yet from the Gold chest with Venus orbs but so far I’ve only received Vagary crafting materials.
Ragnarok.Galiber
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By Ragnarok.Galiber 2019-05-17 09:11:51
I've done all the roes every month since the beginning on 2 characters, including the campaigns (someone make the math on how many orbs it's been, I have no idea) Mars Orb only.
I've overall gotten only 5 Loud Thuds, and I only go for loud thuds, never open the chest unless I get down to 3 chests remaining, which has happened aprox 4 times.
The only notable item I have received is Regal Gloves (and aern body).
On the non thud opens after 6+ chests I have received the 5M gil twice.
Totally eyeballing data /nod.
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By Asura.Chaostaru 2019-05-17 09:38:25
One of my favorite lockstyles forever. same, but Kyujutsugi looks the exact same and much easier to get lol
By soralin 2019-05-17 10:38:36
Venus orb Gold Chest Only tests are taking a bit longer due to the fact that I received about 50 Mars from Bonanza. This months campaign should give me an additional 30-40 Venus orbs depending on if I get my new batch of mules to 99.
Round One (100 Mars Orb Test):
Code
MARS:
1/99 Nisroch Jerkin
11 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF, Non-augment Reisenmjima)
1 Annealed Lance (this didn’t matter at the time but is notable now)
~1% chance of Omen Body
~12% chance of equipment
VENUS:
0/4
4 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF)
~100% chance of equipment
Round Two (100 Venus Orb Test):
Code
MARS:
0/22
3 General Equipment (Zitah, HTBF)
~13% chance of equipment
VENUS:
0/34
29 General Equipment (Zitah, RuAun, HTBF, Vagary, Non-augment Reiseinjima)
5 Other (Macuil Plating, Defiant Scarf, Defiant sweat, Macuil horn, Macuil Horn)
~85% chance of equipment
~14% chance of other
Not sure what all “other” can include yet from the Gold chest with Venus orbs but so far I’ve only received Vagary crafting materials.
Could you please post your actual distribution of each type of gear, specifically you can just fill out the following categories below:
'Thud's are:
* HTB gear
* Zitah Gear
* Vagary Gear
'Loud Thuds' are:
* Bewitched / Vexed Items
* Pulse Weapons
* Omen Gear
* Reisenjima Gear (Including HELM drops)
I'm theorizing the distribution to be identical to as if it chooses between a Noise/Thud/Loud Thud for Mars orb, and it only picks between Thud/Loud Thud on venus.
Knowing the distribution of Venus Orbs 'Loud Thud' drop chance would heavily modify the optimal selection process for Venus Orb runs.
Eyeballing it, I'd estimate you almost want to open the gold chest substantially earlier on Venus Orb runs, depending on how much more frequent Loud Thuds are on Venus orbs too...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Orestes 2019-05-17 11:14:17
Wasn't expecting this on regular thuds.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2019-05-17 11:26:18
Quetzalcoatl.Orestes said: »Wasn't expecting this on regular thuds.
Nice
I got x1 Shamash on mars thud and the pet body on other thud mars.
By Cpu 2019-05-17 11:41:51
The gold chest can be a loud thud even though it doesn’t have a corresponding message.
By tyalangan 2019-05-17 11:50:37
Quote: Could you please post your actual distribution of each type of gear, specifically you can just fill out the following categories below:
'Thud's are:
* HTB gear
* Zitah Gear
* Vagary Gear
'Loud Thuds' are:
* Bewitched / Vexed Items
* Pulse Weapons
* Omen Gear
* Reisenjima Gear (Including HELM drops)
I'm theorizing the distribution to be identical to as if it chooses between a Noise/Thud/Loud Thud for Mars orb, and it only picks between Thud/Loud Thud on venus.
Knowing the distribution of Venus Orbs 'Loud Thud' drop chance would heavily modify the optimal selection process for Venus Orb runs.
Eyeballing it, I'd estimate you almost want to open the gold chest substantially earlier on Venus Orb runs, depending on how much more frequent Loud Thuds are on Venus orbs too...
I haven’t been keeping track of which items I get. I haven’t cared. The test has been for Omen bodies only and now more recently Pulse weapons. I can start keeping track now if you’d like but it will be slow since I’m 30+ items in the hole.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-05-17 13:07:21
How much does it cost for an Omen body from Trove in general, on Asura?
Depending on price it may be a good idea to camp the yells.
Asura.Veikur
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-05-17 13:11:31
150M is the lowest serious yell I've seen. Tends to go up the further into the update cycle you go.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2019-05-17 13:21:59
Whew, definitely not gonna camp haha. I was expecting something more along the line of 80-100. 120 for Ashera, maybe.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2019-05-17 13:23:10
Asura economy. Nuff said.
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By Asura.Chaostaru 2019-05-17 13:27:11
few people shouting daily for 350mil for any omen body on asura. im assuming theyre server hoppers
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draw in and KO
anyone tried it without buff?
i cant open the last one
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