The A.M.A.N. Trove BC

If this was the case, SE could have just had the player die upon opening the wrong chest.

I disagree with this actually. FFXI is an over 16 year old game now. Who knows what coding they used 16 years ago. There could very well be no way to code immediate death to a player, without rewriting tons of code that would take many man hours to complete.

However, they do state that if you kill the mimic you can then open the gold chest. Even with that statement, it's very possible it is not intended that you do kill the chest, it's intended you "lose" the event.

Kudos to everyone trying to kill the chest though! Would be very interesting to see if there is a repeatable way to do so.

No, it would be trivial to program instant, unavoidable death should you open the chest using only current mechanics, and there are many ways it could be done.

There could be a 100 yalm, 9999/tic damage aura, or it could instantly inflict RR-wipe plus 100 yalm instant death (KO'd type, so resist death doesn't work), or it could just do a 100 yalm multi-hit 99999 damage attack that ignores shadows and wipes reraise.

They wouldn't even have to have it kill you if they wanted to make it only a lose condition; they could just give it permanent -100% DT, or 100 million HP, or absorb everything all of the time.

The very fact that there is a reward for killing it AND they talk about the reward means that they intend for it to be defeated. People have even been making progress in reducing its HP significantly and learning its gimmicks, so there's literally no reason to think it wasn't mean to be winnable.

Not to mention there is a new title "Mimic Masher"

It's winnable, and I imagine when players start coming up with a working strategy, it's going to be something where teams save up their orbs in an attempt to farm these runs in mass, for chances at rare bodies. If 6 people have Venus Orbs, thats six chances at something rare, assuming you even need to kill the MImic in those 6 attempts. This was a really lazy way of creating content, but content nonetheless.

Probably is the wisest idea to just save all of your vouchers until there is something that is proven to work, and then spam them all in succession. You're going to have a better chance at omen bodies if you can near-100% guarantee a win, vs just guessing and gambling. At the same time, players who don't want to team up for the challenge are still able to test their luck with very little loss. It's actually a lazy, brilliant idea.

It's definitely winnable

Anyone gotten around to throwing SMN's at it?

Yep. Didn't work for me.

Content only has been released for less than a week and people are already referencing AV at 75, LOL.

It's absolutely winnable. My group has gotten it to the 20%s a few times already, we just haven't had the chance to play in a few days and hammer out some more attempts. The mob behavior changes at 70%/40%/Maybe 10% after each Kathwack. I can post some more details later when I'm home

Have you even actually put significant quality time and effort into beating this? Your comment makes me think otherwise. Maybe you're just much more below average than you think. Saying something is impossible at this point before exhausting your resources in a positive attempt is simply defeatist and instead of being the light of reality you may think you are, you're just dragging down this conversation with these shitty "contributions". Based on what we've figured out and done, it's definitely winnable.

I would say its difficulty is comparable to mid-level Ambuscade VD fights while not being "cheesable" due to its HP and mechanics (so expect fights to be in the 20+ min range, most likely) and there actually seems to be quite a bit of flexibility in set ups at this point, but based on the last (few?) mechanics unknown to my group it may require the locking of another slot to a specific job type. With good sleeps to stop death (and proper positioning to make sure you're enfeeb free to sleep when needed) you remove the only deadly mechanic in the fight. Though maybe it was only that way because we were using MNKs the mitigate its TP gain. How much variety do you expect in a 6 person BC? You'll always need a healer and in any melee fight you can't just simply beat with trusts, you usually have at least 2 support jobs.

Bringing back the ghetto stun all the way back from 2005 when I used to lullaby goblin bomb back in exp parties

The droprate is not hugely altered by being able to win unless it lets you continue opening boxes, and the description implied it wouldn't. If you open a mimic before a thud, you aren't getting the drop either way. The only difference is that you can be greedy and look for second thuds with a bit more confidence.

If you're employing the standard 'get thud, open gold' strategy, being able to kill it is unlikely to even double your loot versus not.

Just FYI, He've done that in multiple job threads and selling threads in the past, randomly drops negative/cynical comments with defeatist mentality, then got mad at people for calling him out for not contributing anything in the conversation.

AV at 75 was attempted by multiple top end ls using absolute best setup possible, that was not even comparable to a group that multi box and lacks brd. I find it ridiculous that a 6 day old content got compared with AV just because people haven't figure things out.

I know it's a meme to talk about how easy FFXI is, but you know that it's not actually true that it doesn't take skill, right?

I never mentioned skill or gear, I was referencing your own scale of "average to above average players."
Thanks for saying what I wasn't going through the effort to try and word lmao.


By stating "impossible" I was directly referencing your "nope" and stating that it can "be winnable at a consistent rate by average to above average players with a variety of set ups". Don't argue with yourself over things I've not said.

I'm sorry not all content is achievable by sparks-level characters? These are the same qualifications that make fights and content that has been available for YEARS possible (SMN burn methods aside). How is this unreasonable? Also, it's been clearly stated that this role is sufficiently met by a COR doing Light shot as well, more variety for you.

Oh no! They're making content that's lower difficulty than a lot of VD Ambuscades and providing a way to obtain extremely rare gear that has been available for more than a year now? The fight portion isn't even required for the rewards. Like I said, stop making assumptions about a fight when we barely know anything about it. The key is in the mechanics, not the difficulty. Once we figure out what we're supposed to do, this fight doesn't have much difficulty.

Thanks, I've been lurking and am unfortunately too aware of his behavior. We see very eye to eye on the your last paragraph

Then you don't know how to evaluate skill at all. Sorry.

You are operating under the assumption that you can open all 10 just because you killed the mimic. If that's the case, it is pretty significant, I would agree.

Per the update notes:

It says nothing about the brown chests reappearing. This would mean being able to kill it only gives you the difference between chest where you would have otherwise exited, and chest where you pick mimic. Nowhere near double the drops.

It's the MOST true thing you can say about ffxi. Chimps birds and gerbils can stand on crtl and peck/paw 1 and 2 and perform with gearswap.

In almost all cases, you have 2 potential timelines going. You can move and you can cast or use an ability. Once you use an ability, you have a 1.75 second cooldown. Once you use a spell, you have 3-4 second cooldown. Most fights require no positioning once the fight starts unless the monster is moved.

Thus, you're capping around 30 actions/minute, and most of them are only moderately time-sensitive. If you cure late, you're just as likely to heal an extra hit and get a more effective cure as you are to have the person die on most content. If you ws late, ftp scaling makes up most of your difference.

There is no advanced degree of thought in most jobs play, and even a WHM can at most do a little preemptive curing. The game is not difficult by any stretch of the imagination.

Play even the most basic MOBA, FPS, RTS, and you will see that FFXI is not even 1/10 the game those are in terms of skill. To rate it anything but low-skill would be doing a disservice to games that actually require more than a basic knowledge of mathematics(or the ability to read forums) to excel in.

A player with decent practice and macro setup can effectively play 3 or more characters WITHOUT automation. Good luck playing even 2 in any non-MMO.

I don't troll in buy and sell thread though, nor I resort to personal attacks in a debate like you unless others start it and went overbroad.

Also I thought you made up your mind to never reply to my posts already, changing your mind so fast?