Dev Tracker - Discussion

Did they happen to mention anything about the possibility of job updates in the future?

Depending on Matter drop luck, the bottleneck could either be Matters OR units (assuming you dont farm units after doing your 8 climbs like a psychopath).

Campaigns are free hand outs, this one specifically isn't, but in general they are.
People are upset this free hand out isn't as good as the other free hand outs and isn't actually a hand out.
If the content isn't rewarding enough for the time spent, then they should be permanently buffing it, not providing a short term buff to encourage fomo (and bribe people into resubbing).

Be better than this.

Quit blaming me like I work for square enix weirdo

Follow your own advice and go "recommend" they do this in the official forums.

See how long you last.

They aren't going to accept backlash for the Sortie campaign because the current producer is using the "How to make your game join the other dead MMO's in the MMO grave yard" hand book to make decisions.

I.e., they keep giving out free ***to new/returning players to "catch them up" so they can sortie/limbus log and do nothing but stare at purple and white walls all day while playing FFXI.

Truly the best part of the game, need to get new players to it asap.

it kinda sounds like you just don't enjoy any aspect of this game

Get a new shtick bro

Huh? The best part of the game is all the stuff before that, it's why it's very tone deaf and out of touch (aka modern MMO design) to bum rush players into the worst part of the game.

Practically the entire veteran player base agrees - people even say that their friends are excited to log off the game asap the second they're done with Sortie.

Sortie isnt fun
The challenging aspect is if you got *** with basement bitzer placement adding 5 minutes to your schedule.

Same with V25 Gaol
The double random *** turns people off. Other than maybe 10 players of the entire playerbase, people get their V25 win and never go back.

Willing to bet the people who "hate" Sortie are running it in a static or daily until their fingers bleed, and they are sick of repeating the same thing every single day for points. Crazy how a person's perspective of something changes depending on the level of gameplay balance. I still remember people who used to scoff when OG Gain-EXP dinged, because, even though they were printing money, it felt like a forced job that they didn't enjoy. They HAD to do it, FOMO sucks.

I too hated Sortie when I was running it 6x/wk. Now, I join a PUG or something here and there and it's an hour I get to play something different for a change, and I don't dislike Sortie as much because I'm not forcing myself to play it.


V25s are unpopular for a different set of reasons. For one, they're a LOT harder. Coordinating job comps and strats are harder than they are with Sortie, which at this point is reducing bosses to Gravity/TP denial and just blasting max TP WS. Sortie isn't challenging compared to V25s, which is a big difference. The loss in V25s is unforgiving, and it requires upkeep of Segments. Also, people get V25 and be done with it, not because they hate the actual style of the content (maybe you hate how random/unluck/hard it is), but because the content offers nothing meaningful after you unlock the R30 gear. You can cheese RP by pressing one button and eating flaming hoes cheetoes for the remaining 14:50 minutes. There is no more incentive to beat any more V25s, or to kill "3 bosses in a row" since you can gain endless RP doing absolutely nothing afterwards. Totally different design from Sortie. You HAVE to repeat Sortie for Prime Weapons, and by extension, JSE+2 Earrings.

If you could kill Aminon once and then just do Fomor farming parties for an entire hour/rematerialize nonstop and reach similar Galli numbers as a 9b, nobody would bother killing Aminon or any of the other bosses at all until they needed Mesos. Or better yet, put Prime Weapons in Gaol and make it require 10 V25 kills per boss. Everyone suddenly has a "reason" to repeat those fights. That reason just never was created, so it became one and done. Has nothing to do with the quality of the content.

*Insert a dumb comment about how I don't like sortie here*

Well, yeah, duh. The grind, especially when its super repetitive and 90% of the event is just traveling, is what sucks about it. Cool that you don't hate it when you PUG, but to make any meaningful progress you need to do it regularly, and many of the 8/9-boss routes start with basement bosses/Aminon so you need to enter with shards on hand already. Not very conducive to PUGging. Unless you find 5 other people who dont mind slow-crawling progress, then that works I guess, but people just starting Sortie likely want/need to grind to start upgrading armor and eventually make progress on primes

It's both. Both Sortie and Gaol are time wasters, with different gimmicks as to how to waste your time.

There's an idea, add some matter coffers too lol.

I’d like to highlight that the survey results they released were just an initial high-level overview and they stated they’re still reviewing and analyzing the results. Don’t get glum they haven’t commented directly on a topic you’re interested in, who knows, it might still be in the oven!

None of the 9B PUGs I have ever joined required previous shards, and 8B PUG is even less strict. Progress/Speed to complete a Prime is one thing, but it's going to come at the risk of your sanity. If you want to finish it ASAP, you're going to hate doing it every day. Or you can not, and then take twice/three times as long to finish one. Or you can ignore the Stage 5 altogether and just amass 4s. It's all in what you wanna do. I've still yet to complete a single week where I've done all of my Limbus climbs, because, well, it's terrible. I'm fine with having one R30 Limbus armor and nowhere close to my second piece. And I don't have a single stage 5. Everyone's different.


Was totally joking to make a point.