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By Meeble 2024-11-25 19:06:42
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Kaffy said: »
Trying to think of what hasn't been redone a time or three already, what do you have in mind?

An ilvl rework of Belligerency without the encumbrance penalty would be fun.

Maybe not daily content fun, but as a Peach Power type of bonus activity I could see it being well received.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 19:17:09
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It doesn't matter if it's been done once, twice or 400 times. If there's a shiney toy in the bottom of the box, green light it.
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By Kaffy 2024-11-25 19:20:41
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It doesn't matter if it's been done once, twice or 400 times. If there's a shiney toy in the bottom of the box, green light it.


Works for me :)

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An ilvl rework of Belligerency without the encumbrance penalty would be fun.

Oh man I'd be all over some Monstrosity related content, though.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-11-25 19:43:25
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Asura.Pergatory said: »
It was a colossal shift in the underlying nature of the game, and it is the reason why linkshells are pretty much purely social now, DKP is gone,

I mean you're say the quiet part out loud. Event LSs that required DKP for people to be willing to help others became extinct. I'm not saying 75 bad and abyssea era good, but all of my LSs after abyssea came out were people you liked spending time with that you helped because you wanted to. Just think about all the dyna LSs that the leader got their weapon and then just ditched or waited till their in game girl friend got theirs too and then suddenly evaporated. It's not like there weren't good ls during 75 or bad ones after abyssea, you just left bad ones because you hadn't gone through all the hoops and points you wanted to get something out of.

It was definitely a marked difference.

As far as VW went, you got together with your LS to do runs for people that didn't have the clears or didn't have amazing jobs even if there were no plates or cinder/dross for everyone.

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I don't get the obsession with Limbus, its been redone like 5 times already. There are a lot of other content they could do this update treatment to.

Trying to think of what hasn't been redone a time or three already, what do you have in mind?

I'm hoping we get ilvl Campaign that gets higher level the closer you get to the throne room and the extra battlefields. You could get all kinds of alliances out there and if they make it extremely challenging in the last zones and the battlefield pretty tough, you could see some community building go on. Wishful thinking and pipe dreams for sure, but I'd hope that they make it a good place to farm EP. Just give an incentive to group up and bring more people and suddenly you fill lots of zones that don't get used normally that people can actually get use out of.

Plus old beastmen look cool. They can make campaign WSs real for all jobs and great for farming EP even if they are only exceptional during campaign. Again wishful thinking.
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By Draylo 2024-11-25 19:43:53
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Meebles burrow v2
Maze mongers v2

I would say delve but really got something very similar in Odyssey.

Nyzul v3, mmm more will come to mind.

But really limbus, done to death.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 19:55:32
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MMM and Meebles are just assault v2 / v2.1

It's fine to just do the same thing over like always, its better than nothing.

Limbus didn't even get a full rework, it got 2 one floor levels and 2 bosses, 5 of the 6 pre boss rewards were sidegrade or junk and nothing was added to ABC rewards
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-11-25 20:15:43
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Ultimately you can compare almost any content and say "X is just Y but with these minor differences". The fact is there are only so many permutations of "kill enemies, interact with objects, accumulate currencies, get drops"

I think any new content, shiny toys at the bottom or not, will see some play from the players who already have it all.

Personally, I'd much rather see new content over ilvl-ing of old content. People are obsessed with flexing their "I used to run a _____ linkshell" muscles and talking about how awesome the content of the past was. There are a lot of people with nostalgia goggles on when talking about past content.

For me, I'd say the past content is a mixed bag of content from awful dogshit all the way to really engaging, interesting, and challenging.

That said, for the most part we've already done that content, so doing the exact same thing over again doesn't appeal to me as much as doing something new.

I'm sure there are differences in the amount of time it takes to create new content vs to rehash old, but even if we get half as much content, I'd still rather see half as much new stuff than twice as much old ***upscaled to ilvl.

w/r/t alliance vs party, I've already given my opinion a million times in other threads but I think, setting mercs completely aside (we don't have them on Carbuncle, IDGAF about mercs), alliance content is inherently imbalanced with the populations we have right now. You can't make it hard enough that it requires 18 people because nobody knows 18 adults who can pass the mirror fogging test, so you ultimately end up with content that's piss-easy because they can't make it challenging or nobody could do it. OTOH, if they do make it difficult enough that you need 18 actual humans with real gear, paying attention, it will be impossible for anyone to clear.

Maybe we need something like that to get players to come back. We could beg all our friends who quit recently to come back to the game and help us beat this new absurdly difficult alliance content. Do it SE, I dare you.
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By Kaffy 2024-11-25 20:20:03
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Since the content they do remake stays relatively faithful to the original, I'm going to assume Limbus will be alliance content. Where it falls on the difficulty spectrum is anyone's guess.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-11-25 21:26:38
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If you consider Sortie as Vagary 2.0 then that isn't 100% true
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By Shichishito 2024-11-25 22:21:33
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I think we haven't had a 1 to 1 copy of garrison although one could argue that campaign Is kind of a modernised rehash of it I guess. Didn't play the orginal meebles much but I think it's the only one which hasn't had a similar copy sofar, hope if they ever make one they leave out the inventory clutter.

Abyssea never got a 119 version either imho, although I remember devs discribing escha zones as "abyssea done right". VW had no remake either even if some argue unity is VW 2.0. Both had a trigger mechanic that encouraged teamplay which is not realy present in their remakes.

VW is probably the only rehashed alliance contant that has a chance to still work in 2024.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 22:39:13
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Alluvian Skirmish is for all intents and purposes, garrison

UNM is VWNM, alliance, unlimited force pops
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By Shichishito 2024-11-25 22:42:16
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Unity just like escha is mostly missing the proc system which was a core aspect of both VW and abyssea so I think the comparison doesn't fly.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 22:45:59
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Damn near every UNM has a proc. They're not cast this spell or use this ability, but procs nonetheless

Pretty much all of them are "if you hit it really hard, in the face, you'll proc it" lol

And yeah yeah, no temps. The mobs aren't hard enough to need them. There's no douchebag dropping aoe doom every 3 seconds.
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By Zubis 2024-11-25 22:52:17
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New merch. Blankets and cushions of the 3 nations and other bits and pieces.

Cushions
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558810
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558811
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558812

Blankets
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558807
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558808
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=GOODS-04558809
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By Shichishito 2024-11-25 22:53:31
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That's true, but I think the core idea behind VW and abyssea proc systems was inclusion of otherwise not optimal jobs. The procs also greatly increased drop chances which afaik isn't the case in any later proc systems.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 22:57:22
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A word of advice, those are NOT blankets, unless they're cat blankets. That's a rug.

650 mm x 900 mm is 2 foot by 3 foot
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By Zubis 2024-11-25 23:01:51
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Asura.Eiryl said: »

A word of advice, those are NOT blankets, unless they're cat blankets. That's a rug.

650mmx900mm is 2 foot by 3 foot

Hmm, thanks for that. 2 foot by 3 foot is also flag size. Rug, towel, or flag lol. But not a blanket even though it's labelled blanket.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 23:06:25
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As a towel, they might get me. I could dry my *** on Windurst...

Just a bit less crude than windurst toilet paper.
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By Zubis 2024-11-25 23:31:38
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https://youtu.be/njBSXeXiJ-M?t=8399

I'm still not sure lol. They look shiny? Flag?

EDIT: "lap blanket"

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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 23:38:50
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it's like a dollar store "throw" or "fleece"

Only half the size and not warm and 40x the price, lol

https://www.dollartree.com/fleece-throw-30x40-in/393044
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By Zubis 2024-11-25 23:47:42
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Yeah I think I will skip, though might get a cushion.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2024-11-25 23:50:09
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
it's like a dollar store "throw" or "fleece"

Only half the size and not warm and 40x the price, lol

https://www.dollartree.com/fleece-throw-30x40-in/393044
I usually find your feed back overly negative, but I agree on this one.

The size on the page is in mm for some weird reason, I don't see why it would be cm, but that sad it is a ~2 foot x ~3 foot blanket pretty small and disappointing when my initial reaction was "omg I want it" now it is "I wish it was 4x6 the it would be worth getting."
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-11-25 23:51:54
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Were you around for the $60 t-shirt?

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/54847/55-windurst-t-shirt
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-11-26 01:58:57
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Asura.Pergatory said: »
It's not the PUG culture that died with Abyssea/VW, it's the actual event linkshells themselves that died. Everything became PUG.

Abyssea required 2-3 people to do most stuff, and pretty much everything there had multiple drops so that you could easily throw together a group of people who are all benefitting from the content.
Small clarification:

It took some time for things to get to that point, it's not like it happened on Day 2 of Visions of Abyssea.
At first it was the group of players who were already a de-facto "static" who started efficiently farming just exactly the stuff they wanted with no wastes. Some of those groups already had multiboxed mules in an era when they weren't very common.
Then other groups slowly started the same approach, bit by bit.
Ultimately by the time Heroes of Abyssea was out and the content wasn't new anymore, every small group of noobs was able to farm their own Empy at their own pace.
But to get there it took, what, over 1 year? Probably more.
Things didn't change in a day, it took time.

There were several LS (among which mine) which still continued to set up Abyssea LS events. And then they were farming Abyssea on their own with friends outside of official LS event time.

With this clarification said I can't deny that the importance of LS events slowly faded, bit by bit, only to promote smaller groups, just like you said.
Is this bad though? I mean pros and cons.
The world of "you can only do stuff if you're in a good HNM ls otherwise bye bye" had several good aspects but several cons as well, let's try to see the whole picture here instead of nitpicking just the few aspects that corroborate our point.


Asura.Pergatory said: »
I recall Asura had an honor system in place for a long time.
A Long time? You're fooling yourself Perg.
What you're talking about was ABSOLUTELY AWESOME but alas it wasn't very long lasting and even then there were those LSs who would just ignore it.
Which era are we talking about? The early HNM era with Nantekotta/Nantekotte, KirinTheDestroyers, Eminence?
The latter era where several of these LSs were dead and some new ones (among which EU ones, like Chroma) started to surface?
Or are you talking about after that? Because by then the HNM LS scene was dying/dead and around that time Abyssea came out anyway, which kinda started the process me and you just discussed about in the messages above, so...

I dunno, I have several fond memories just like you, but talking just about those and ignoring everything else sounds to me like a big pair of rose tinted glasses, if you ask me.
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By Dodik 2024-11-26 06:32:46
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Zubis said: »
https://youtu.be/njBSXeXiJ-M?t=8399

I'm still not sure lol. They look shiny? Flag?

EDIT: "lap blanket"


SE really milking Emiri-san for free publicity haha. Doubt they're paying her for all these appearances.
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By Draylo 2024-11-26 06:45:46
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i need that!
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2024-11-26 08:01:39
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Garrison/Eco Warrior ILVL WRU.
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By Felgarr 2024-11-26 08:46:26
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Asura.Eiryl said: »

A word of advice, those are NOT blankets, unless they're cat blankets. That's a rug.

650 mm x 900 mm is 2 foot by 3 foot

...it's also only 3mm thick? ...What is this blanket made out of? Tissue paper? :(
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-11-26 11:00:01
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It's a part of FFXI Lore/History. Costs a little bit but it won't matter in ten years when people are reminiscing on the "good old days of MMOs" and there are a number of people who never got to own these relics and wish they had a chance to buy it back then. I mean, you're not exactly sitting around a campfire with these blankets or sleeping on these cushions, just game trinkets to look at lol
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-11-26 11:47:35
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There are plenty of third party creators willing to make (or dropship) basically anything you want with any copyrighted logo you want. If you want to support SE, and you think they've earned it, by all means buy the tissue paper flag. If you just want the product, and you don't approve of SE's current direction.. you can probably get something much nicer for a comparable price.

(hopefully this doesn't lead to round 2 of the piracy debate)
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