Dev Tracker - Discussion

No, sechs, read the wording

Job specific capes, augment slots

Not, job specific augments

Emphasis on slots, not slot.

Willing to bet its still singular, as in "all the capes will get a slot, slots"

Instead of say; "addition of an augment slot on job specific capes"

Job specific reforging slots

Boost +10 cape!!

"Cape" is singular, when we know there is more than one cape. "Slots" being plural does not indicate multiple per cape. Reversing the sentence would stay the same: "the addition of a reforging slot to job-specific capes".

All we know at this point is that the new augment slot is defensively oriented, and that there is only one slot incoming. They called out a "Fifth Slot", not anything more than that.

Speculation time!: I don't think they're going to include actual PDT/MDT/DT in the new augment slot since that would be too overwhelming for any other options, plus those have the potential to be useless to already capped players.
I'm guessing the list will be: MDB, defense, status resist, elemental resist, and maybe stuff like regen or cure received. Maybe if they're feeling generous, stuff like shield block rate, parry rate, counter rate, etc. Oh, and pet stats too. :x

Interested to see what "defensive slots" they choose:

DT/MDT/PDT (I highly doubt they'd give us DT-10 capes, probably the two latter)
HP
Occ. Annuls Dmg Taken
Occ. Absorbs Dmg Taken
Converst dmg. taken to MP
Magic Defense Bonus
Magic Evasion
Evasion
Defense
Counter
Shield Mastery
Parry
lolGUARD
Pet: DT
Pet: Magic Defense Bonus

edit: beaten, Nyarlko. My thoughts precisely

Would they really include eva/meva/hp when they've already added those in two slots? I would agree with all the other options though.

Spell Interruption Rate- is also a possibility, as well as Shield Block Rate+ and Inquartata+ if they get daring.

They can. Don't forget they added Abdhaljis Dye recently, which includes some overlapping stats (which just combine to the previous).

When you compare, for instance, Ogma's Cape with max Tanking stats, it only gets 80HP. Moonlight cape gets 275HP + 6 DT. I don't mind the loss of DT on a back for my RUN, since it's easy to compensate for. But IMO, 80HP is quite low for a piece that doesn't offer DT. But the Inquartata is too good to pass up. If they added HP and not DT, that would be an interesting option, though Parry would be an amazing combination to it.

Just a thought.

I missed SIRD, that's a good one. They might even do something unique, like "Protect+" "Shell+", or even "Enhancing Duration+". Highly doubt they dabble into things that specific. Especially Inquartata. That JT is too good to just throw around.

They left out the stuff we already got, since Evasion is already a path from Dust.

Forget interruption rate too. lol Inquartata is just parry rate so could be doable. "Protect+" and "Shell+" are equivalent to conditional "Defense+" and "MDT-", which don't seem like good choices to me. "Enhancing duration+" wouldn't really count as a "defense oriented" type stat IMO..

I've got a feeling that this will just be simple low-impact stuff like resists and defense, and they'll leave out most of the fancier stuff. But!

Some more maybes lol:
Enemy critical hit rate-
Stoneskin+
Phalanx+
Refresh+ (hey, it's totally defense oriented for a Mana Wall BLM and I'm already forced to wear the cape during it anyway.. <,<)


Thank you, and yes, I intentionally excluded existing augments. IMO, it's possible they might double up, but just doesn't feel like it'd be worth the devtime required for this in that case.

Immunity to a single debuff with an option for every debuff!

I think you're underestimating the value of Inquatarta. It's not "just parrying." Inquatarta ignores mob level, building off your base parry rate even when you're below the floor parry skill wise. This makes it extremely powerful defensively. Inquatarta+5 = 10% of all incoming physical attacks prevented regardless of mob level.

That said, by all means, add Inquatarta Augments to ambuscade capes. I'll take it!

Tecnically we already have Evasion and Magic Evasion, don't we?
Altough we could get more from the 5th slot of course.

Immunity to Weakness {Yes, please.}

Inquartata is very valuable, no doubt, but this is not quite accurate since you do have to be engaged and facing the monster.

These being 2 factors that are not generally a problem.

If you wanted an actual exception, then mention 1000 needles type or throat stab type attacks, since they are physical damage but not parryable.

I hope that if they add something for shields, that it's not block+. Give me an equivalent amount of shield skill instead. And by equivalent I mean about 5 skill for every block +1.

The thing here being that block rate + is added last in the block calculations. Whereas block rate gains from shield skill+ are part of the base calculation, and thus can benefit from reprisal. So block +1 is just block+1. But 5 shield skill would actually net you 1.5% block rate after reprisal(3% if using Priwen.)

I wouldn't mind shield mastery, or significant amounts of shield def. bonus either...

I, for one, welcome our new Gilfinder +10 capes!

You sure Throat Stab can't be parried? It can certainly miss, unlike 1000 needles.

... You may have a point there. I think I'm still too much in the shield mindset. It can't be shield blocked. But if it can miss, and I do seem to recall that being possible, then it's most likely parry-able.

I will retract the throatstab portion of that statement.

But I still think it's silly to be nitpicking on Inquatarta about the conditions under which it functions. It's kinda like saying, "Epeolatry reduces physical damage taken", then someone saying "Only when you're wearing it."

About the only time the frontal requirements are an issue is when cleaving in Reisenjima/Henge where you can't line mobs up worth a damn cause they walk through the trees lining the area. Engaging is an issue on.. what? Erinys?

If not for parry, I wouldn't engage anything serious while tanking on RUN. The TP feed is a negative. Facing something with a gaze means one more thing to juggle. Not huge, but something.

I'm not saying inquartata isn't amazing, but it's not comparable to an equivalent amount of PDT. It also doesn't reduce your death risk by the same amount. A move that does 160% of your max health will almost never kill you in 50% PDT, but will kill you half of the time in 50% guaranteed parry. Unless you can get to 100%, and I'm assuming it's hard capped at 90, it's reducing average damage taken not generally death risk.

Edit: Probably should mention that when solo it's downright amazing due to the increasing returns with the amounts available. When in a group, I feel you should be prioritizing death risk over mean damage taken. It doesn't matter if your WHM can go 20 seconds without healing you on a parry streak if a non-parry streak is potentially fatal.

I didn't say that there weren't downsides to having to engage and face the mob. But neither of these factors invalidate my initial statement.

I do agree on your second point. Stable damage reduction that's reliably applied rather than a chance to proc is better. It's one of the reasons that I always argued for Ochain over Priwen for PLDs, even though Priwen is technically more overall dmg reduction(at some mob levels, get high enough level and Priwen's advantage tanks)

Ochain has a higher block rate, and depending on the mob can even cap, giving a stable 66% dmg reduction, preventing the kinds of spike damage that typically kill you. Not that even Ochain can cap on high end stuff anymore. Anyway, sorry for the PLD pseudo-derail.

you know the new option is going to be BOOST+10 so that everyone will /mnk.

Increase omen body drop rate +10

While all of this is true, Parry also has another advantage over DT; it can completely block status effects that are tied to physical WSs or auto-attacks. Plus, parries restore HP with the right gear on, which makes a significant difference on attacks that aren't going to oneshot you.

No one is saying to value Inquartata over DT in the majority of situations, just that it's very powerful as well.

Pet level + for BST pls