Raetic Weapons Testing / Discussions
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Raetic weapons testing / discussions
Asura.Zanosan said: » With Tizona I was running out of mana after about two minutes of fighting. In any zerg shorter than that, It's a pretty insane weapon. Blows other offhands out of the water in terms of dps and mostly synergizes well with Tizona, not necessarily because of the mp, but because of how quickly you can build AM3 and your frequency of weaponskills afterwards. This was with +1 by the way. In a somewhat brief and lax session of Neak spam, it was possible to hit around 4.5k dps with the weapon (without capped attack, we were lazy and more interested in the general idea of the weapon and had two Tizona/Raetic+1 users as our DDs). Under more optimal conditions and a zerg, I think that with this sword set up, BLU can start contending with other job options. However, it's still far from a MS WAR hitting 8k~? dps. All that said, I think Raetic+1 is definitely BLU's best offhand, by far, in a zerg situation, but don't ever expect to cast a spell again if you use it full time in common circumstances. ah thanks for the response! I like Tizona's utility and ability to maintain mp for solo purposes. With what you said... I may just stick to almace/sequence and use war for zerg purposes! Asura.Geriond said: » Apologies. misspoke. multi-attack procs on a weapon skill can only proc on the off hand. Even if that's true (which I've never heard), how is that relevant to my point? >.> We weren't talking about Weaponskills.
Also, the BG Wiki page on Double Attack explicitly says it can proc on both weapons. In regard to Tizona + Raetic. How does the NQ Sword fare? I’m intrigued by the HQ but not sure about the price. What’s the practical difference between the two?
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Sorry Afania for the derail.
I typed one thing and thought something entirely different, added incorrectly, then miss spoke. Apologies! When I said "SEXTUPLE?!" I was thinking CDC[3]+triple proc[2]+raetic proc[1]+raetic proc[1]. Not only was my math incorrect but Raetic can't proc on WS anyway... As for the off hand comment, what I meant was that if a multi attack procs the damage calculation is done on the off hand, which has nothing to do with my post or Geriond's. facts I don't like!! Please disregard my previous posts:]
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ocean said: » Sorry Afania for the derail. I typed one thing and thought something entirely different, added incorrectly, then miss spoke. Apologies! When I said "SEXTUPLE?!" I was thinking CDC[3]+triple proc[2]+raetic proc[1]+raetic proc[1]. Not only was my math incorrect but Raetic can't proc on WS anyway... As for the off hand comment, what I meant was that if a multi attack procs the damage calculation is done on the off hand, which has nothing to do with my post or Geriond's. facts I don't like!! Please disregard my previous posts:] Just another time you were wrong :P <3 its going on the list Bought a Raetic scythe to test out entropy spam on WAR. INT modifier and the ws itself is pretty garbage, but is there any way to make this WS competitive? Perhaps Ody int set? I tried a few ws on an apex with a throwtogether set, and could not get it to hit beyond 9k on war. Definitely not keeping up with GS, but just asking since its infinite MP pool for Raetic.
Still going to keep it for DRK for cross reapers/entropy MP restoral, so it's not a waste totally. I needed a good scythe anyways. Entropy is pretty crap for damage; scythe pretty much needs Cross Reaper (or Insurgency with Liberator equipped) to even hit "okay".
It works out if you are 5 stepping things on DRK.
It's not that great for Warrior. You can do Entropy->Spiral Hell for darkness but the damage is weak even with warcry and DA bonuses. Cross Reaper->Insurgency->Entropy->Cross Reaper->Quietus ends with double darkness. Also for other things you can just spam Cross Reaper while occasionally throwing out an Entropy. Is it better than GS on DRK? Maybe for Skillchaining Apex and stuff, for raw damage great sword is better. Ragnaroks delay/tp return was pretty annoying to deal with for self SC on DRK. Especially with Scourge or Torcleaver being a single hit WS. But it is a fun option when you actually want to use Scythe. Honestly for Apex on WAR, use a Raetic Algol/Chopper/Blade/Axe with an Ethereal earring and plan on tanking. Keeping MP up wont be a huge issue. Also you'll probably have Retaliation up anyways. Take advantage of it. Outside of Reisenjima I'm only getting a 15% proc rate with an MP pool of 300ish. With Ethereal earring its easy to keep the proc rate around 10%-ish
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i picked static earring. blah bleh bluh....
Valefor.Yandaime said: » In regard to Tizona + Raetic. How does the NQ Sword fare? I’m intrigued by the HQ but not sure about the price. What’s the practical difference between the two? Bump lol
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Ahhh so the HQ would be nice but definitely not worth 100m? (Asura)
Thank you for the information. Like I said, I’m intrigued just not crazy about dropping a large chunk of Gil for it lol He is right, a multi attack from the offhand during a weaponskill can only happen from the off hand. I don't see any problem.
anik said: » He is right, a multi attack from the offhand during a weaponskill can only happen from the off hand. I don't see any problem. Pulling from Cair's bag of tricks and seeing if bold helps reading comprehension.
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Has anyone ever tested to see if the Raetic Staff's additional MP expenditure is covered by Spaekona body, or if it only restores up to the normal cost?
Asura.Geriond said: » Has anyone ever tested to see if the Raetic Staff's additional MP expenditure is covered by Spaekona body, or if it only restores up to the normal cost? I also wonder if the MAB+50 is extra over the base 28 (i.e. 78 total for 30% more MP) or the total value as it usually happens for latent effects. It has tons of magic accuracy compared to lathi or well-augmented grio and could be an interesting option with enough refresh/aspirs (escha/Dyna-D). The lack of any INT compared to lathi/grio may really hurt tho so I don't expect it to be amazing in term of damage but definitely curious
Didn't test the NQ version, but Raetic Staff +1 is slightly stronger than a Lathi Path A for high-tier nukes, but noticeably stronger for low-tier nukes. Even with the best nuking gear out there, I still run out of MP when I free nuke buffless for Omen or Dynamis. This only becomes an issue when there are no aspirable mobs around.
Asura.Geriond said: » Has anyone ever tested to see if the Raetic Staff's additional MP expenditure is covered by Spaekona body, or if it only restores up to the normal cost? hey everyone,
i does the STP + on a HQ weapon only proc when the extra hit procs? Asura.Chiaia said: » Asura.Geriond said: » Has anyone ever tested to see if the Raetic Staff's additional MP expenditure is covered by Spaekona body, or if it only restores up to the normal cost? Is the extra mp cost+30% reflected in TP gained from Occult Acumen? How do the bracers interact with Mana Wall? Is it like dividing by zero? o_o;; Wouldn't it be kinda fun to dual-wield club+1 for uber cure1s? XD I'm assuming the "Cure+50" adds straight to end result.
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Here's another small collection of Strange Apparatus trades in case anyone else finds these useful. Thanks to those that have posted them before.
Dangruf Wadi, Watersday, Doctor status unlocked, 15 trades. Rune Algol x1 Rune Baghnakhs x2 6 Rune Arrows x3 Arcane Flowerpot x1 8 Cermet Chunks x6 2 Adaman Nuggets x2 is the 30% cost MP of raetic staff+1 is 100% proc ? If yes, i suppose the Mac/Macc boost is 100% too ?
So Raetic Staff +1 > Lathi in all situations but Manavore What about Raetic Staff +1 Vs Laeveteinn AG (with max AM2) ? Valefor.Madranta said: » Here's another small collection of Strange Apparatus trades in case anyone else finds these useful. Thanks to those that have posted them before. Dangruf Wadi, Watersday, Doctor status unlocked, 15 trades. Rune Algol x1 Rune Baghnakhs x2 6 Rune Arrows x3 Arcane Flowerpot x1 8 Cermet Chunks x6 2 Adaman Nuggets x2 15 trades must be nice, took me 60 to get a 2nd algol after the first one broke |
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