Random Politics & Religion #24

Again, nobody is arguing that we do nothing. We're arguing that we don't do a specific something.

How about don't automatically dismiss other's ideas because it's not your own.

Or enforce regulations, be shown that they are ineffective at doing what they were created to do, and then double down thinking that the ineffectiveness will just magically go away instead of doing the complete opposite of what it's trying to do with the added bonus of destroying the economy along with it.

You do realize that there's a (partial) reason why the economy wasn't growing at a normal* rate for both the US and the world.

The liberals tried their social experiment. Sure, it works in countries that can depend on stronger economies to support them (such as Denmark, Sweden, The Netherlands, etc.) for such experiments, but it doesn't work on the stronger economies that have to do the supporting.

*normal meaning anything other than moving the goalposts down to create a new normal to justify destruction of economic power.

Funny thing here .... they actually do believe that...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierre-guerlain/and-if-the-world-voted-in_b_9717712.html

https://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/11/everybody_in_the_world_except_us

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/11/elections-world-vote-161103063145303.html

http://cis.org/NoncitizenVoting

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-06-19/noncitizen-voting-makes-sense-why-don-t-liberals-agree-

That's like two minutes of looking.

The left does want global citizenship and for everyone to vote in US elections.

Who said anything about doing nothing, I went took my trash outside, that's something.


Oh you mean not doing what you demand we do.. you can rightly *** off with that fascist nonsense.

We are doing something we are talking about climate change. We are part of the solution.

"Today it's me, you could be tomorrow."

My jaw is on the floor. Someone get this woman a straight jacket.

I see Kathy Griffin took a page from the Hillary Clinton Book of Accountability. "I apologize... but I'm the victim here" sounds a lot like "I take responsibility... but it's everyone else's fault."

It's the new trend.

Sorry I got caught, but it's not my fault I got caught.

Hillary has been the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy. It isn't her fault. It is the alt right internet trolls Russia. facts I don't like etc.

To admit fault and accept personal responsibility for the outcome of ones actions would mean that they might not be "Heroes" nor part of "Team Good Guys". The thought that they weren't good valuable humans beings would set them into a state of depression that ultimately would result in suicide.

That is what happens when someone bases their identity and self worth on a political religion instead of real life accomplishments and ability.

So with the US pulling out where is the UN going to get the other 99bn USD? They can't very well pay it themselves, their supposed to be the ones getting the money.

I fully expect this whole thing to fall apart in a few years as nobody else is going to pay money into the pot to give to China and without that pot China has zero incentive to even pretend to care.

Or they can spend all the money on pot and then nobody will be able to care.

Except we only pledged 3 Billion overall and have only sent 1 billion, where are you getting this billions a year?

Also WE DECIDE what our pledge is. Where did you get the idea that they choose what our agenda is?

You are just misinformed or willfully ignorant.

Seriously, do you honestly think that the US was going to let this "initiative" fall short of the stated $100 billion/year goal? Well, while a progressive is/was president?

The climate accord also defers all policy-making to a UN council of "really smart people with agendas" to dictate US policy. It's in the freaking accord.

Sounds personal, but I expect nothing less from you.

The US should be obligated to pay more. The industrial age started in America and continued with us being the leader in fuel use until recently when countries like China took over. The large majority of that carbon in the atmosphere is our waste and a large part of the upward trend in temperature is because of our contribution. It's shitty to place that burden on smaller countries that didn't do much to cause the problem but may be adversely affected by it like island countries.
Completely made up. What's your deal lol? There's no stipulation how a particular country deals with its own emission goals.

Again you are just blatantly misinformed. First Obama said himself that we were only pledging 3 billion:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/us/politics/obama-climate-change-fund-3-billion-announcement.html

Don't worry this is just to show you what was actually pledged you don't have to care about whatever opinion the NYT is converying here

Also


Taken from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

I don't think that the US needs to start dishing out money to other countries just yet. Not until we fix our emissions. We are up there with China and I feel like funds should be diverted to fixing our issue first before spending on other countries. I think after each country budgets enough to meet their goals then we should consider funding other countries. That is of course a completely different argument.

You first.

Go on, pay my share while you are at it. Go bankrupt fighting for a cause that may or may not happen.

Nobody is saying that they should bankrupt their own country to pay into a pot collected for "climate science." But if there's any issues with their environment, they should handle it themselves. Not because you think we should take care of their problems for them.

Kindof like how some countries have zero standing armies and depend on the US to protect them if the ***hits the fan.

But if you want to feel good about yourself, go join a mission.

We already gone over this before. Even your wiki source stated that the goal is to raise $100 billion a year. And your wiki source also stated that, in the almost 2 years since inception, they only raised $10 billion, of which most of it came from the US.

Now, are you still going to deny that the goal from the Obama Administration, and even the man himself, is to give out US money to this fund to pick up the slack of other countries who don't pay their pledges? It's looking like you believe that, by your posts.

The goal of the whole accord was to send 100 Billion a year to other countries, but that wasn't a mandate. Are you still going to pretend that this agreement forced our hands on how much we need to pay? Countries got to decide themselves what to pay.


This has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Can we get off the Travel ban and talk about something a lot more important, like the future of our planet.

Many of these nations are also in NATO and guess how many of them have met their promised obligations? Yeah like they'll do the same for any other Executive Agreement.

Again this is not a Treaty and there is absolutely no legally binding requirements attached to it. The *punishment* for failure to pay is the EU will publicly shame you.

Thank you for proving why this was a bad deal to America.

What about that rodeo clown a few years back that wore the obama mask? CNN made a huge stink of it until the guy got fired. He was blackballed from everything.

How? Where in the accord does it say that the US has to pay even 10 billion towards this effort?

It's an issue that the US disproportionately contributed to but you're fine with sticking everyone else with the bill. Definitely the party of personal responsibility.