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 Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-02 19:35:05
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Watch. Before tomorrow morning, Sessions will tender his resignation for his involvement with Russia.
Failed predictions don't help your credibility any. He already recused himself, there's no need to resign over nothing.
Jeff Sessions said:
“I sort of assumed perjury occurred, but I want to read what was said, what the established fact is, and decide how clear that is and whether or not there is any wriggle room or realistic defense there," Sessions said in 1998. Back then, the senator described perjury as a “big-time issue,” adding, “I have no doubt that perjury qualifies under the Constitution as a high crime. It goes to the heart of the judicial system.” ...
High crimes... of course it was a democrat he was talking about, republicans never pejure themselves, they just "mispeak."

Come on, Chanti. You're smarter than that. There was no way to misinterpret what Bill Clinton said in context. He flat out lied. Why would Sessions deliberately lie about contacting Russians when it was a part of his job. Context is clearly in play if you actually look at the questioning. There is no perjury.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-02 20:09:38
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Why would Sessions deliberately lie about contacting Russians when it was a part of his job.


That's what he did though, he had his spoke person make the announcement. There is no suspicion. Everyone is asking that exact question.

If you didn't have to lie about it and you lied about under oath, then later admit it and have your representative announce that you did. Why?

The other question is with respect to the whole of the RNC, why was the Russian Ambassador in question even present at the convention networking with Republican politicians in the first place.

These are things that can not just simply be dismissed, they require an explanation before one can say "nothing to see folks".
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-02 20:28:02
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Ravel, go look at the questions asked. He flat out lied to one and just didn't answer another by answering an unasked question instead. In all fairness politicians routinely do the latter and often the former.

He could have said at the time that he talked to the Russian ambassador, and 24 or so others as part of his job. Had he, I doubt there would be a problem now. Or at least not with him.

As he was part of the Trump team he should recuse himself from any investigation anyway.
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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:16:09
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Ravel, go look at the questions asked. He flat out lied to one and just didn't answer another by answering an unasked question instead. In all fairness politicians routinely do the latter and often the former.

He could have said at the time that he talked to the Russian ambassador, and 24 or so others as part of his job. Had he, I doubt there would be a problem now. Or at least not with him.

As he was part of the Trump team he should recuse himself from any investigation anyway.

He could have had a V8 also but them are the brakes !
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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:16:46
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I think FFXIAH needs a V8:

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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:19:07
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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Why would Sessions deliberately lie about contacting Russians when it was a part of his job.


That's what he did though, he had his spoke person make the announcement. There is no suspicion. Everyone is asking that exact question.

If you didn't have to lie about it and you lied about under oath, then later admit it and have your representative announce that you did. Why?

The other question is with respect to the whole of the RNC, why was the Russian Ambassador in question even present at the convention networking with Republican politicians in the first place.

These are things that can not just simply be dismissed, they require an explanation before one can say "nothing to see folks".

You are the right man for the job give em hell Zero. I'll give you my press cap:

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-02 21:38:16
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I want to be Very Fake Press though.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-02 21:40:29
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Say whatever you guys want, there was no perjury and nobody will convict him of anything. This Russia nonsense will go nowhere, because it's entirely based on a desire to force the narrative that Russia won the election for Trump, which is absolute nonsense. There's less evidence that Trump did anything illegal than there was the Hillary did something illegal, and yet it's an even bigger story. Trump's not going anywhere for 4 years, just get used to it.
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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:44:27
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
I want to be Very Fake Press though.

I'll put in a good word at CNN !
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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:47:01
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Say whatever you guys want, there was no perjury and nobody will convict him of anything. This Russia nonsense will go nowhere, because it's entirely based on a desire to force the narrative that Russia won the election for Trump, which is absolute nonsense. There's less evidence that Trump did anything illegal than there was the Hillary did something illegal, and yet it's an even bigger story. Trump's not going anywhere for 4 years, just get used to it.

Democrats lately:

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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-02 21:47:12
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And the beat goes on....

Team Trump Took Illegal Cash, Watchdogs Say
Trump raised more than $10 million right after the election. He says he’s paying off debts. Two groups say it’s an illegal fundraising scheme.

But its in the Daily Beast so you can ignore it.

Highlights:
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Donald Trump’s presidential campaign accepted illegal contributions in the weeks after election day and falsely recorded them as paying down the campaign’s debt, according to a complaint filed by two watchdog groups on Thursday.

The Campaign Legal Center and left-leaning non-profit Common Cause allege that the campaign violated federal election laws designed to prevent campaigns from circumventing contribution limits. The groups are accusing Team Trump of attributing donations for his 2020 campaign—yes, he’s already a declared candidate—to his previous, 2016 run, freeing up donors to give more down the line....

By earmarking those donations for debt reduction, the campaign classified them as 2016 receipts, meaning those contributions will not count towards the donors’ 2020 contribution limits.

“By falsely reporting post-election contributions as being for 2016 debt retirement, Trump may be trying to illegally double what a contributor can give for the 2020 primaries,” ...

Trump declared his reelection candidacy hours after being inaugurated on Jan. 20. But the complaint alleges that under federal law he qualified as a candidate far earlier, and may have violated run afoul of yet another law in the process.

Federal deems anyone who has raised $5,000 for an election a “candidate,” and requires that they establish an accompanying campaign committee within 15 days.

If the funds raised by the campaign after the election did not go towards debt reduction, they were technically funds raised on behalf of the reelection campaign, which did not officially register with the FEC until inauguration day....
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By Viciouss 2017-03-02 21:47:23
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Sessions didn't commit perjury and won't be resigning, his recusal is enough.
The GOP investigations will continue however, especially since more and more evidence comes out that Trump has been lying the whole time about his contact with Russia during the campaign. Nobody can make any comments about the evidence present because it isn't public, so its useless to try to say things like "there is no evidence." There is plenty of evidence, more came out today.
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By fonewear 2017-03-02 21:50:28
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
And the beat goes on....

Team Trump Took Illegal Cash, Watchdogs Say
Trump raised more than $10 million right after the election. He says he’s paying off debts. Two groups say it’s an illegal fundraising scheme.

But its in the Daily Beast so you can ignore it.

Highlights:
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Donald Trump’s presidential campaign accepted illegal contributions in the weeks after election day and falsely recorded them as paying down the campaign’s debt, according to a complaint filed by two watchdog groups on Thursday.

The Campaign Legal Center and left-leaning non-profit Common Cause allege that the campaign violated federal election laws designed to prevent campaigns from circumventing contribution limits. The groups are accusing Team Trump of attributing donations for his 2020 campaign—yes, he’s already a declared candidate—to his previous, 2016 run, freeing up donors to give more down the line....

By earmarking those donations for debt reduction, the campaign classified them as 2016 receipts, meaning those contributions will not count towards the donors’ 2020 contribution limits.

“By falsely reporting post-election contributions as being for 2016 debt retirement, Trump may be trying to illegally double what a contributor can give for the 2020 primaries,” ...

Trump declared his reelection candidacy hours after being inaugurated on Jan. 20. But the complaint alleges that under federal law he qualified as a candidate far earlier, and may have violated run afoul of yet another law in the process.

Federal deems anyone who has raised $5,000 for an election a “candidate,” and requires that they establish an accompanying campaign committee within 15 days.

If the funds raised by the campaign after the election did not go towards debt reduction, they were technically funds raised on behalf of the reelection campaign, which did not officially register with the FEC until inauguration day....

I'll be sure to alert the proper authorities...I"m contact that one mod that likes anime.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-02 22:51:08
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
But its in the Daily Beast so you can ignore it.

Sounds about right.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-02 22:59:40
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Viciouss said: »
Sessions didn't commit perjury and won't be resigning, his recusal is enough.
The GOP investigations will continue however, especially since more and more evidence comes out that Trump has been lying the whole time about his contact with Russia during the campaign. Nobody can make any comments about the evidence present because it isn't public, so its useless to try to say things like "there is no evidence." There is plenty of evidence, more came out today.

Investigations have been ongoing for quite a while now. The GOP getting involved wouldn't change anything. They'll probably find minor things that they can't even slap Trump on the wrist for, but the media will blow them up until hearing about Russia will be as old and as tired as hearing about Hillary's emails.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-02 23:19:29
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The GOP has been involved since the investigations started. You know all Congressional investigations are led by the GOP right? The FBI investigation is completely separate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-03 00:19:20
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Viciouss said: »
The GOP has been involved since the investigations started. You know all Congressional investigations are led by the GOP right? The FBI investigation is completely separate.

Sorry, my wording was off. I should have said further involved. I was referring to stuff like this, as reported by the NYT:

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Speaker Paul D. Ryan said he saw no need for Mr. Sessions to recuse himself unless he was under investigation, accusing Democrats of “lighting their hair on fire” to keep connections between Mr. Trump and Russia in the news.

And so far, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, has shown no signs of budging from his longstanding resistance to calls for a select committee. His office did not respond to questions about whether his position had changed.

The FBI has turned up practically nothing, and GOP leadership views it as a witch hunt (and rightly so). Any further actions by the GOP would likely be fruitless.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-03 00:37:03
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The issue is he is not getting in front of it. He's been trying to dismiss it for months now and it has cost him a National Security Advisor and the full use of his Attorney General.

Seems like there is something there or could be nothing, but his aides have been vague about the information, which then gets leaked a small bit at a time and ends up damaging members of the administration.

Which gives one of two impressions, either they did do something wrong, or the aides that are being put out in the public do not know whole truth.

Whatever happened, he's handling it poorly and it's not going away because of that.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-03-03 07:10:11
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
The issue is he is not getting in front of it. He's been trying to dismiss it for months now and it has cost him a National Security Advisor and the full use of his Attorney General.

Dismissal is exactly what Trump needs to continue doing. His support base already knows this is ***, those on both the left and right knows this is ***, the left is just doing the exact same thing the Republicans did back after Obama got elected with the whole "birth certificate" crab. It's purely a political ploy on the left to disrupt and taint Trumps early days and prevent a smooth transition of power. Democrats want as many problems and national emergencies as possible, and will create them if need be.

Trump attempting any sort of involvement or acknowledgement of this would just validate the Democrats allegations and would cause his own support base to start to question him. Best thing to do is ignore the Dems entirely and treat them the same way you treat a seven year old throwing a tantrum because they didn't get the toy they wanted.
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By fonewear 2017-03-03 07:53:29
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What if I told you Russia isn't the evil empire and the evil empire is Canada....think about it !
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By fonewear 2017-03-03 08:06:17
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Meanwhile in Russia:

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What if I told you Russia isn't the evil empire and the evil empire is Canada....think about it !

What if I told you neither of them, nor the U.S., is an evil empire...they're all just imperfect profit-driven modern societies with diverse populations and predictable social unrest due to conflicting cultures and lifestyles!

...no. That's too hard.

Maybe you're right. Canada is just evil.
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By Ramyrez 2017-03-03 08:38:42
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Canada: It's coming!

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By fonewear 2017-03-03 08:38:48
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fonewear said: »
What if I told you Russia isn't the evil empire and the evil empire is Canada....think about it !

What if I told you neither of them, nor the U.S., is an evil empire...they're all just imperfect profit-driven modern societies with diverse populations and predictable social unrest due to conflicting cultures and lifestyles!

...no. That's too hard.

Maybe you're right. Canada is just evil.

When Donny gets in here he can tell us why Canada is not evil !
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By fonewear 2017-03-03 08:39:48
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The worst type of evil is the overly polite friendly neighbor that will stab you in the back when you aren't looking...hence we should keep an eye on Canada...
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By Ramyrez 2017-03-03 08:43:03
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The worst type of evil is the overly polite friendly neighbor that will stab you in the back when you aren't looking...hence we should keep an eye on Canada...

Also, forget the young drug-dealing immigrants from Latin America. They're just trying to get by the best way they can. It just happens to be that the best way they can is dealing illicit substances.

The Latinas we really need to watch out for are the kindly old abuelas. They will shank you with a kitchen knife first and then just pray for forgiveness with one of those little unscented candles in a glass jar with the Virgin Mary on it later, when they're sure they're safe.
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By fonewear 2017-03-03 08:44:55
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So you are saying we should band unscented candles ?
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Little Side bar: Nik post those good songs in P n R we could use some cheering up !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-03 09:00:02
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fonewear said: »
Little Side bar: Nik post those good songs in P n R we could use some cheering up !

It's dance party friday up in NI!

and if I post them here I'll get ban't

Oprah 2020

I see your obnoxiously rich white guy and raise you an oprah
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