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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 21:32:57
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Viciouss said: »
Just curious.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
We've got FISA warrants that which establish the Obama admin's desire to look into trump. That's at least the start of a motive.

a bazillion times more than you got.

Hey KN, have you seen a copy of these FISA warrants that nausi has?
Nice strawman.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 21:33:31
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Hey, *** you too Rooks.
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By fonewear 2017-03-15 21:33:49
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What it really shows is America is filled with weak men and women. That can't handle a unconventional President. I don't know how they make it through a day in the real world. Maybe at the end of the day you go in the corner and cry while watching CNN ? I don't know but get your ***together people !
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By Viciouss 2017-03-15 21:36:31
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Can we take that as a no KN?
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By fonewear 2017-03-15 21:37:39
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Little side bar the Cubs win is in the past man. Get with the times ! I will admit that they look good for 2017 though.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 21:38:50
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Viciouss said: »
Can we take that as a no KN?
How about you stop making arguments for me, k?

Otherwise, I'm going to make ***up that you say.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-15 21:39:15
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Interesting assertion you are making there. Meanwhile on a planet known as Earth lives a man named Roger Stone who is a long time Trump advisor, who in fact did make contact with Russian assets in order to hack the DNC.

If you're going to make allegations, it's best to include more of the details instead of intentionally phrasing to mislead. Stone knew he was in contact with Guccifer, but there's no proof that Stone knew about Guccifer's alleged ties to Russia. We also do not know what these communications contained, so it's all speculation that may not even result in an indictment of Stone, let alone Trump.

So congrats on circumstantial evidence that is currently only loosely related to the president?
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By Viciouss 2017-03-15 21:40:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Can we take that as a no KN?
How about you stop making arguments for me, k?

Otherwise, I'm going to make ***up that you say.

I'm not making up an argument, I am simply asking a question.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-15 21:41:12
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fonewear said: »
Little side bar the Cubs win is in the past man. Get with the times ! I will admit that they look good for 2017 though.

HR on the first pitch of the season. Calling it now.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 21:44:09
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
allegedly responsible

lol, even though Guccifer admits to it, there is no actual evidence to support his claim.

Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
who in fact did make contact with Russian assets in order to hack the DNC.

No evidence exists to support THIS claim. None whatsoever.

However if the leaked info was obtained through a FISA warrant as he suggests, and was leaked to gain political capital (as is surely a result). Then thats big enough to expel watergate from the lexicon and replace it with obamagate.

So we're left with two obvious conclusions.

1) Trump and his campaign are secret Russian agents who's master plan was to deny Hillary the election and put forth a new budget increasing the US military size to its biggest in generations.

or 2) Obama and the remnants of his administration who has spied on reporters, other world leaders, and repeatedly used the various arms of the executive branch (irs) to hinder his political adversaries, has abused his power at head of the executive branch to spy on his political enemies and hinder their future administration by strategically leaking the obtained info to further slow down the breakup of his legacy.

One is far more reasonable to have occured here than the other.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-15 21:44:32
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Viciouss said: »
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Viciouss said: »
Can we take that as a no KN?
How about you stop making arguments for me, k?

Otherwise, I'm going to make ***up that you say.

I'm not making up an argument, I am simply asking a question.
Let me put it in another way.

It is not my argument that there is or is not an FISA Warrant or not. Because, like you, we do not know if there is one issued or not.

So, asking me a question where neither you nor I know the answer to is not going anywhere, and trying to allude that I say there is just shows your complete, dishonest way of learning the truth.

You are asking a loaded question where I don't have to answer. Because I'm not making a statement on the existence of such item(s).
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 21:45:13
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Interesting assertion you are making there. Meanwhile on a planet known as Earth lives a man named Roger Stone who is a long time Trump advisor, who in fact did make contact with Russian assets in order to hack the DNC.

If you're going to make allegations, it's best to include more of the details instead of intentionally phrasing to mislead. Stone knew he was in contact with Guccifer, but there's no proof that Stone knew about Guccifer's alleged ties to Russia. We also do not know what these communications contained, so it's all speculation that may not even result in an indictment of Stone, let alone Trump.

So congrats on circumstantial evidence that is currently only loosely related to the president?


Don't forget the outrageous claim that stone contacted him to ORDER the DNC hack.

There's nothing even remotely close to give credence to that.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-15 21:48:02
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
Can we take that as a no KN?
How about you stop making arguments for me, k?

Otherwise, I'm going to make ***up that you say.

I'm not making up an argument, I am simply asking a question.
Let me put it in another way.

It is not my argument that there is or is not an FISA Warrant or not. Because, like you, we do not know if there is one issued or not.

So, asking me a question where neither you nor I know the answer to is not going anywhere, and trying to allude that I say there is just shows your complete, dishonest way of learning the truth.

You are asking a loaded question where I don't have to answer. Because I'm not making a statement on the existence of such item(s).

This is all ridiculous. If there was and there was anything ill formed found, in what universe would Trump have still been sworn in?

How would that ever be remotely possible?

I know we can take out Trump before he assumes office, but if we wait we can take him out AFTER that point and it'll be better!

Why?

Reasons.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-15 21:48:18
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Let me put it in another way.

It is not my argument that there is or is not an FISA Warrant or not. Because, like you, we do not know if there is one issued or not.

I was just wondering, because nausi is adamant, as you can see, that there is a FISA warrant. Like I keep saying, he is way out there, as he keeps demonstrating.
 
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By Ruaumoko 2017-03-15 22:07:35
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I'm just saying WHARRRGARBL for the hell of it.
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By Zerowone 2017-03-15 22:15:10
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Interesting assertion you are making there. Meanwhile on a planet known as Earth lives a man named Roger Stone who is a long time Trump advisor, who in fact did make contact with Russian assets in order to hack the DNC.

If you're going to make allegations, it's best to include more of the details instead of intentionally phrasing to mislead. Stone knew he was in contact with Guccifer, but there's no proof that Stone knew about Guccifer's alleged ties to Russia. We also do not know what these communications contained, so it's all speculation that may not even result in an indictment of Stone, let alone Trump.

So congrats on circumstantial evidence that is currently only loosely related to the president?


Why are you congratulating me? I'm not the intelligence agency that has an axe to grind with an administration that has publicly disrespected me.

Also a simple google of "Guccifer 2.0" would tell you. I mean ***even Trumps 10 year understands the "Google".

If I didn't phrase things a certain way you wouldn't read. Besides I used "quotations".

Also Stone is the one saying he believes they found the connection by investigating him via FISA warrant. Which indicates "something" (notice quotations).

Yep no evidence whatsoever. Wonder why he is running his mouth now that he was a target of a hit and run by said agencies.

"I mean if I wanted to begin discrediting the credibility of agencies that may have dirt on me and my friends, while bolstering my own... I'd start running my mouth all over conservative media that 'they're' trying to kill me"

Again quotations.

But I have my sources.
 
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-15 22:17:58
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Josiahkf said: »
Strawman
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By Asura.Vienner 2017-03-16 02:57:42
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And in The Netherlands, the elections were "won" by the Social-Liberals of the previous prime minister, Mark Rutte, although they actually lost 10 seats. They stopped the populists led by Geert Wilders, the Donald Trump of The Netherlands, although they gained 4 seats.
They're looking at a difficult and long government formation.

Europe ,and my loan, can sleep on 2 ears for now untill its elections in France, the first round on 23th of april and the second on may 7th (heh the day my new restaurant is opening)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-16 08:34:01
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Candlejack said: »
Ok kiddies, the word of today is "wasteful", sponsored by the U.S Military.
$200 Drone Shot Down With $3Mil Patriot Missile: BBC
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A Patriot missile - usually priced at about $3m (£2.5m) - was used to shoot down a small quadcopter drone, according to a US general.

The strike was made by a US ally, Gen David Perkins told a military symposium.

"That quadcopter that cost 200 bucks from Amazon.com did not stand a chance against a Patriot," he said.

Patriots are radar-targeted weapons more commonly used to shoot down enemy aircraft and ballistic missiles.

"Now, that worked, they got it, OK, and we love Patriot missiles," the general said.

Recently, there have been reports that some groups, for example in Iraq, have taken to attaching weapons to small, commercial drones and using them against security forces.

However, Gen Perkins suggested deploying large surface-to-air missiles as a defence was probably not economically wise.

"I'm not sure that's a good economic exchange ratio," he told an audience at the Association of the United States Army's Global Force symposium in Alabama.

"In fact, if I'm the enemy, I'm thinking, 'Hey, I'm just gonna get on eBay and buy as many of these $300 quadcopters as I can and expend all the Patriot missiles out there'."
'Enormous overkill'

No further details of the encounter - such as where or how recently it took place - were given, but Gen Perkins did describe the party that launched the missile as "a very close ally".

"It is clearly enormous overkill," said Justin Bronk, a researcher at the Royal United Services Institute.

"It certainly exposes in very stark terms the challenge which militaries face in attempting to deal with the adaptation of cheap and readily available civilian technology with extremely expensive, high-end hardware designed for state-on-state warfare."

Mr Bronk also told the BBC that Patriot radar systems, while sophisticated, might struggle to target a small quadcopter effectively.

Patriot missiles were first produced in 1980 and are operated by 12 countries including the US, the Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

The missiles themselves travel at five times the speed of sound, whereas a quadcopter drone typically has a top speed of 50mph (80km/h).
And here, ladies, gentlemen, and lizardpeople, is a perfect example of somebody who doesn't read the source he provided and assumes otherwise.

Let's recap:

Candlejack said: »
Ok kiddies, the word of today is "wasteful", sponsored by the U.S Military.
Candlejack said: »
A Patriot missile - usually priced at about $3m (£2.5m) - was used to shoot down a small quadcopter drone, according to a US general.

The strike was made by a US ally, Gen David Perkins told a military symposium.
Now, I wonder if he/she/it will learn from his/her/it's mistake and, you know, actually read past the first syllable next time.
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By fonewear 2017-03-16 08:35:06
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Canada's plan for world domination is in motion, Justin Trudeau went on a date with Ivanka Trump! Now we only have to wait for the Donald to turn America into a monarchy!

Canada's plan is to ride the coattails off of America from here till eternity...mission accomplished !
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Canada's plan for world domination is in motion, Justin Trudeau went on a date with Ivanka Trump! Now we only have to wait for the Donald to turn America into a monarchy!
Now you know why we won't build the wall on the Canadian border. It's our master plan on taking over Canada.

Why we are taking over Canada? To save you from yourselves. Also, syrup. Lots and lots of syrup.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Canada's plan for world domination is in motion, Justin Trudeau went on a date with Ivanka Trump! Now we only have to wait for the Donald to turn America into a monarchy!
Now you know why we won't build the wall on the Canadian border. It's our master plan on taking over Canada.

Why we are taking over Canada? To save you from yourselves. Also, syrup. Lots and lots of syrup.

The easiest way to take over Canada is to say "Please lay down your arms" they will reply "okay"
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