What am I missing that makes you recommend this set for drk?
If you are using 5/5 Sakpata's set, what STP are you referring to? There's 8 on Sakpata's Gauntlets, that's it. (Maybe I'm completely ignoratn to DRK TP set, where is the STP you lose? Even in a squishier build like Carmine Feet +1, it's not much.)
Just comparing the sets, Sworn has flat out more HP, MP, attributes and Accuracy than Sakpata's. It has less attack/PDL than Sakpata's, but I guess you could add the additional enspell damage for Endark damage, and compare that to the PDL difference? Triple Attack is just better than Double Attack, period. The DA on Sakpata's becomes pretty much worthless if you throw in Hoxne Ampulla (Taint brought it up). Sakpata's set has 30% DA, Sworn set has 34% TA. It has slightly less MDB and -DT across the pieces, and far more magic evasion on Sworn set.
What do you mean "what are you missing"? It's literally better than Sakpata's set straight up (after a year of grinding). How can you say with a straight face that nothing in Sworn set stands out for DRK? It's almost better in every necessary category than Sakpata's.
edit: oversimplifying math:
Sakpata30% DA is 1 extra swing 30 times = 30 swings
Sworn 34% TA is 2 extra swings 34 times = 68 swings
I'm slow with this kind of stuff, but isn't that just straight up DOUBLE?
If you're only rocking 5/5 Sakpata and Nyame, you're DRKing wrong.
I'm sure I could make this tankier and I haven't updated it in a long time (I put the Sakpata and Moonlights in there so I wouldn't get flattened), so I'm curious what build you're referring to as "Full STP", and where do you use it? Odin Body/Head, Carmine Feet, ok. What else?
What am I missing that makes you recommend this set for drk?
If you are using 5/5 Sakpata's set, what STP are you referring to? There's 8 on Sakpata's Gauntlets, that's it. (Maybe I'm completely ignoratn to DRK TP set, where is the STP you lose? Even in a squishier build like Carmine Feet +1, it's not much.)
Just comparing the sets, Sworn has flat out more HP, MP, attributes and Accuracy than Sakpata's. It has less attack/PDL than Sakpata's, but I guess you could add the additional enspell damage for Endark damage, and compare that to the PDL difference? Triple Attack is just better than Double Attack, period. The DA on Sakpata's becomes pretty much worthless if you throw in Hoxne Ampulla (Taint brought it up). Sakpata's set has 30% DA, Sworn set has 34% TA. It has slightly less MDB and -DT across the pieces, and far more magic evasion on Sworn set.
What do you mean "what are you missing"? It's literally better than Sakpata's set straight up (after a year of grinding). How can you say with a straight face that nothing in Sworn set stands out for DRK? It's almost better in every necessary category than Sakpata's.
edit: oversimplifying math:
Sakpata30% DA is 1 extra swing 30 times = 30 swings
Sworn 34% TA is 2 extra swings 34 times = 68 swings
I'm slow with this kind of stuff, but isn't that just straight up DOUBLE?
If you're only rocking 5/5 Sakpata and Nyame, you're DRKing wrong.
Post the sets you're comparing. Don't just say "you're giving up a lot of STP". Show me.
What else is there? Odin body/head? Flamma head/feet? Aug'd ody legs/valor feet?
The only pieces I can think of with STP are stuff like Carmine Feet +1. You cannot seriously be talking about Odyssean or Flamma gear here in comparison to "losing ALL STP" by equipping Sworn. Dagon Breastplate serves another purpose, has no STP. Maybe I'm totally lost on this magical DRK STP set, I don't recall what it is.
You can debate whether a year grind is worth it or not, thats subjective (and the original question is silly anyways, decide for yourself "worth"). But questioning the Sworn set for DRK is insane.
I'm skipping Sworn. Its very good for sure, but no way is it worth the grind.
Full STP and Ampulla is ridiculous TP gain. Lots of ways to achieve a solid set especially if you are open to Nyame A in a couple slots.
Even with Ampulla, assuming Samurai roll, you can use some Sworn and you almost won't notice TP gain loss against store TP gear other than Nyame A. Nyame A is naturally better, but if you play many jobs, it's hard to change many Nyame B to Nyame A. I only switched head.
This set is the fastest TP gain set not using Nyame A other than head.
new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Hoxne Ampulla",
head="Nyame Helm",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Dedition Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Crepuscular Mail",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Niqmaddu Ring",
ring2="Chirich Ring +1",
back="Ankou's Mantle",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Volte Tights",
feet="Volte Spats",
}
is 4.291s to 2000TP threshold with Foenaria
Now this set:
new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Hoxne Ampulla",
head="Nyame Helm",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Dedition Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Sworn Platemail",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Chirich Ring +1",
ring2="Chirich Ring +1",
back="Ankou's Mantle",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Sworn Brais",
feet="Sworn Sabatons",
}
is 4.301s, so 0.2% slower, which is like nothing
At the same time you get 23%DT, 164meva, 82 accuracy and lots of VIT, DEF and some HP.
Ofc if you have Nyame A body, legs or feet, that would be better, but most people won't. Even then replacing all Sworn with Nyame A is only 6% faster, so it's nothing game breaking.
Now without Ampulla, everything changes pretty fast.
Absolutely nothing about that set stands out to me for Drk.
+41 enspell is nice and all, but one crit will do more than 1min of enspell damage.
Triple attack is nice, but you're giving up ALL STP for it.
Fast cast is again nice, but does nothing for your parse.
What am I missing that makes you recommend this set for drk?
Beside everything I wrote above Sworn has also great value as idle and tanking set (while being top tier TP set too. Pretty much ultimate hybrid tp set in the whole game). Most of the store TP is from samurai roll and accessories.
It has an amazing value as magic accuracy set with fast cast on it, so you can improve macc and lower recast AT THE SAME TIME (stun or 4/5 for absorbTP). It completes Phalanx gear (alongside Sakpata legs), while also being super tanky, so you can get phalanx cast on you at any time (equipping dark matter gear is huge defensive loss). It's an awesome set (with heathen body) to cast Dream spikes while tanking too, because it has high HP and all the tankiness in the world. Ratri is ofc still better outside of the fight.
It's an amazing set, but I can understand someone don't want to grind it or choose to make Mercy or Justice first for other jobs.
So that's 57~(assuming max oseem) STP vs 34 TA(though I think sakpata hands can be worked in there so 27 TA + 8 STP)
At least last I understood MA vs STP thad be about equal at worse, there's not really any other change since ampulla means 100% DA anyway, its just a more consistent DA TP return or bigger spike TA along with the lower return DAs, not gonna get into the whole glass aspect of that set as even that i feel is pushing it a bit lol
If you're only rocking 5/5 Sakpata and Nyame, you're DRKing wrong.
So he only could have meant using Glass Cannon STP pieces mixed with DT accessories/Sakpata hands, and not Nyame Path A. He couldn't have been talking about defensive benefits, purly DPS.
Even if I grant you the head, body, legs, and feet slots, that ~39 STP you'd lose going over to 4 Sworn pieces in same slots, vs 27% TA. With WAY worse Magic and physical defensive properties. Bro, what? I'm not even the numbers guy like Simon, but I still don't see how Sworn set on DRK isn't a recommended set for TP, better than pretty much all other options. It might be slightly behind or ahead of STP (I'm sure he'll check), but it's absolutely ahead on Defense in every possible way.
If we want to make personal opinions about what is "Worth it" or not (I mean, we can play that game all day with Hoxne Ampulla in Sortie, same difference, is it "worth it" to you to spend gil swinging? Your choice), that's one thing. Saying you don't see anything in the Sworn set that would make it worthy of recommending for DRK is just bonkers (Drayco's words, not Taint).
Now, Taint is a good vet player, so I'm sure he knows how to toggle his sets just fine. I have a similar kclub DRG/dnc build that uses similar pieces. It puts out absurd TP gain. And one debuff forces me to use Panacea or I can get flattened by the wrong move. So its high risk-high reward. I wouldn't in a million years recommend anyone running a set like that, especially in Sortie.
I do think its interesting how everyone's view of "worth it" is different.
Nyame Path A over Path B >> Worth it/Not Worth it/It Depends
Stage 5 GSWD - 5+ Month Grind >> Worth it
Limbus Sets - 8+ Month Grind >> Not Worth it
Alabaster Earring Max - 3+ Month grind for 5 STP >> Worth it
Kclub - 1 Billion Gil RNG DPS >> Worth/Not Worth it
Hoxne Ampulla - Pay per swing so you can rock glass cannon STP >> worth it*/not worth it*
Noone uses toggles anymore what're you saying? Also about 14 less mdb since sulev/valor have ***for mdb. But 4/5 sworn would also open up niqmaddu in place of 1 moonlight, which i think we can agree is a better return overall, or be a madman and use lehko's but i know that's heresy of the highest order
This conversation comes up from time to time with the usual suspects and it cracks me up every time.
The *** are you guys doing where you need to go in with bubble wrap anytime you step out your Mog House? Put a disclaimer if needed. New groups / groups with weak links probably need to run on the safer side. Experienced groups / players know when they can drop the turtle sets based on the content they're doing. The Sworn set is great for the same reason Sakpata is, but better. Those of you who love to compare numbers, look at what the difference is between a currently accepted turtle set with Sakpata vs Sworn set.
You guys act like every content in this game is Omega/Ultima with constant fetters active lmao.
You guys act like every content in this game is Omega/Ultima with constant fetters active lmao.
Funny, most of it is:
Dynamis - Fetters
Aita/Gartell/Aminon - Fetters
Odyssey Gaol T3/Bumba - Fetters
If what you are referring to is content like Ambuscade, MLs, or Seg Farming on C1-3, then it doesn't really matter what you wear because the mobs are so weak they die just the same, whether you're highly defensive or not. In which case, you're unlikely to gain a significant advantage loading up on solely dps gear because the mobs are fodder, anyways. But that's just me being humorous, and besides the point.
I'm not even specifically making the defensive argument. I am just wondering how Sworn set can be deemed "not worth" when it has better stats than Sakpata's set pretty much across the board. I'd even argue Sworn set is a much better set for DRK when Last Resort is down. Unless the argument is it's not worth the time, then if that's the case, what is?
TP gain is pretty incredible with this set. Works great on PLD as well especially in Sortie.
I cant even sim that. I deleted such trash gear from the sim XD
Ok I added it. It was painful to type in Valorous stats though XD
This set with Samurai roll II (without job bonus) is avg 4.370s to 2000TP
Swapping feet, legs, body and head to Sworn it's 4.292s. replacing rings to Chirich, takes it down to 4.264s
Not only Sworn is slightly higher dps/tp, but it's also miles ahead defensively and accuracy is also much higher (can probably eat attack food instead).
+143 acc
+318 magic evasion (from 447 to 765 XD)
+8 mdb
+12 subtle blow
Nyame Path A over Path B >> Worth it/Not Worth it/It Depends
Stage 5 GSWD - 5+ Month Grind >> Worth it
Limbus Sets - 8+ Month Grind >> Not Worth it
Alabaster Earring Max - 3+ Month grind for 5 STP >> Worth it
Kclub - 1 Billion Gil RNG DPS >> Worth/Not Worth it
Hoxne Ampulla - Pay per swing so you can rock glass cannon STP >> worth it*/not worth it*
If you break it down in hours not months its a large difference.
Prime5 is 110 hours per plus Psyche. (9boss group)
Alabaster ear is 40-60 hours for 30 matters. (speed and luck)
Sworn is close to double that PER piece. (Apollyon is faster than Temenos) 500 hours?
Gil items depend on Luck and whatever else you do. The first week of Limbus drops was an easy 100mil.
Prime5 is 110 hours per plus Psyche. (9boss group)
Not only this requires a very dedicated group, but also arrange your RL around it (assuming you have static time to do Sortie). Limbus can be done solo whenever you have the time.
This alone makes it a huge difference.
Prime5 is 110 hours per plus Psyche. (9boss group)
Yeah but aren't you still locked out of Psyches for 6 months if you start fresh today? The hours are irrelevant if you can never upgrade until you're eligible for 30 Psyches.
I'll even grant all of these things to you. But are you saying the Sworn set isn't worth it because it takes too long to build one? Because I have the same opinion of Stage 5 Primes (I made 4 Stage 4s instead, I felt it was a better investment for my time). It's entirely subjective. I can stroke 99k WSs with just a Gae Buide 4, so what is the point of a 5? (My view)
Also, Limbus is super boring, but also incredibly easy content. You can do it in between work calls and it doesn't take much focus because you can adjust down the difficulty. Sortie requires attention, and will take you at least an hour every day of your life, assuming you don't miss a day, need a sub member, get sick, or make Aminon blow up (or any other number of things, dc, get stuck in basement, etc).
It's just kind of odd to suggest that these sets aren't worth it because of the time investment* (even though they're incredibly good), and in the same argument, include a weapon that takes no less than 6 months to complete.
You would need to be extremely lucky to have a static, that will make 9 boss runs and just run 110 times per 6 months.
Most of the groups runs more and at static schedule. you cant really decide you want to stop doing sortie for 2 months and just go back to grinding it, because you group will replace you or break (again someone maybe have an luxury to play in group of friends that will play around you, but saying it's normal would be a lie).
People in 9boss groups really have no idea how hard is to join one and how much dedication it would require (including arranging your time in RL to be able to attend events). It's easier if you don't have a family too, but many of us have wives and kids.
Like Buukki said, Limbus can be done while watching netlfix etc. basically whenever you want. You can also stop farming it for whatever time you need and just go back how many times you want.
I didn’t. He said Limbus is easily soloed. Yes for chest but not for units. Soloing units adds considerable time to the grind.
I also agree stage4 primes are WAY more valuable than stage 5.
How many units you get for clearing temenos and apollyon 5 times at each at 119 beside guaranteed 34k from chests?
I would think you get at least like 3k units per one full clear right? So 30k more for 10 runs. So around 64k?
That's 640k in 10 weeks. So you should be getting required units at around the same pace as you are getting matters to finish a piece.
I have this view that, like Odyssey V30 gear, it was intended to last 2-4 years. They ruined those plans when they introduced Moogle Amplifiers and the RP bonus for 3. Limbus is all we have for the foreseeable future, and I assume with new Su5 sets, they decided instead of allowing you to cheese RP like they did with Odyssey sets (and everyone finish in a month), they imposed weekly caps to prolong the content for 2+ years, the way Odyssey was supposed to be longer. I can only imagine how long it would have taken to cap R30 Sakpatas, Mpaca, Ikenga's, Bunzi's, and Gleti's (including the weapons) if not for amplifiers.
I feel like they did the math on these sets and decided they would take just about as long as Odyssey sets would have taken to cap, if there was no amplifier bonus introduced. So even if it takes 8 months to cap a set or whatever it is (its crazy long, I agree), it's all there is left to do in this game once you made primes and finished Odyssey gear. They haven't announced anything after Limbus, so for all we know, this is all we're getting this year besides Trust updates. So if you plan on continuing to play in 2026, what else exactly are you going to do besides Limbus? It's literally all there is, lol.
The grind is not going anywhere, but I still don't feel like any of that devalues the gear in any way. Discourages people, maybe.
I didn’t. He said Limbus is easily soloed. Yes for chest but not for units. Soloing units adds considerable time to the grind.
I also agree stage4 primes are WAY more valuable than stage 5.
How many units you get for clearing temenos and apollyon 5 times at each at 119 beside guaranteed 34k from chests?
I would think you get at least like 3k units per one full clear right? So 30k more for 10 runs. So around 64k?
That's 640k in 10 weeks. So you should be getting required units at around the same pace as you are getting matters to finish a piece.
You can snag the ??? twice a week at minimum (think it repops every 3 days) for 6k per zone per week. So another 24k/month
So I have been contemplating to start a new thread like this as it seemed redundant, but Some people have suggested/asked if I would. The drk guide is great and getting updated quickly, so this is by no means to replace or even compete with that. If your new, have fun reading this guide, but post Q's in the normal forums for beginning things. The focus here is true endgame such as Helms, etc.
The idea of this thread is for HIGH END sets only. We can theory craft about other sets too for such content. I highly suggest that if you plan to post/comment in this Thread that you also Post your sets for people to see. Less pages of crap posts is better (fighting), I hate panning through 117+ pages of dark thread to find an answer, lets not do that here.
I will personally try and keep my sets as up to date as possible, with augment remarks. I feel this wil help alot more than "Its to variable!", that helps no one asking. While augments are a pain in the butt, non-DM augments can be closely replicated between players, it does require a lot of stones/time, but if you're here its bc you have said gil/time probably. I find that between high end drks, augs start to look closely the same. Maybe DRK A got 5 acc 1 stp more on said piece, but 7 acc 1 stp less on another compared to DRK B, so in the end they are nearly identical. Don't include DM augs when making suggestions without mentioning its a DM aug.
I also have included below after my sets my lua, the gear sets will not match what I post here and what is there since one (probably lua) or the other could be out of date. However the basic format of the Lua is what matters, so use that too. Lets talk and code in some needed things and get a really good Lua built for the community too. I would love to have someone who has the know-how to make a DRK spreadsheet and I will publish it here too. Nearly every forum at least has one and I have yet to find an up to date spreadsheet for drk.
