Random Politics & Religion #18

So, Fox news was spouting that only 8% of Islamic practitioners being effected by the ban as a way to deligitimize the outrage.

But I mean, 128 million people is a pretty large number.

I strongly suspect that's more of an issue concerning proximity that lax immigration laws.

Some people are saying Trump is akin to Ergodan.

That the events this weekend was to test the waters for a coup, to see who would react and where, along with establishing the foundation for resistance/protest fatigue.

They draw this conclusion from Trump filing for his 2020 candidacy on Inauguration Day allowing him to accept "contributions" starting on day 1.

Purged the State Department of it's senior officials.

Which conveniently allowed him to push through a vaguely written EO that is the talk of town.

We could go on but some people here who suffer from reality fatigue dont like it when people start playing connect the dots

i invite you to educate us on these differences in policy. i'd also be curious on your thoughts regarding how the geographic location of these countries correlates to their vulnerability to attack.

Ah I was waiting for the Saudi reference lol, it's like the default backup position for people who haven't done any research.

Quick history lesson, awhile back radical Islam attempted to invade Saudi, a country that supports western nations and is a secular nation. They did all that same ***they are doing to other countries now and the result was the Saudi government hunting them down and lots of mass beheadings, including several cousins who were supporting it. Radical Islam was defeated and the only concession the king made was to have a council of imam's who had could "advice" him on religious matters. The elements that supported radical Islam fled the country and have been working outside it since.

There's more if anyone cares to actually study and try to understand what's going on. But hey we get it "hur dur orange hair hur".

Yeah yeah you were sittin at your computer waiting for it like




haha

Are we talking about the same Saudi? The country whose royals are wahhabites, the worst kind of extreme islam? You know, burqa and all that crap.

If he was there on his own I'd brush this off easily I think. But when I see people like Bannon placed in positions of power suddenly all actions being taken get a different taste.

Then I see other world leaders that are lining up at the same time in the same era...upcoming elections in Italy, France, Germany and Netherlands have never been more important to the world than this year.

Yeah Bannon getting appointed to a position usually reserved for generals and sitting on the council that pulls the trigger on state sanctioned assassination is troubling.


To pivot back to last nights tragedy one of the suspects is French-Canadian and the other of Moroccan heritage. Not Syrian refugees like some were asserting last night.

History? That's a strange way to spell "alternate time track science fiction."

The OFFICIAL STATE RELIGION of Saudi Arabia is Wahhabism. It is quite radical. Indeed the Wahhabi worldview is quite similar to the ISIS worldview lacking only the push for a caliphate.

The Saudis EXPORT radical Islam through Wahhabi clerics. If you don't believe me on this one search British sources on "radical Islamic clerics." Note their country of origin.

Can we ban Canada now then ?

A French Canadian that is something from the depths of Hell if I've ever heard of !

How could we let someone be French and Canadian!

Name a few more. Maybe then you can name enough people that would equal one attack that killed 2,996 people, and did $3 trillion in infrastructure costs. And remember, that's just one attack.

Do your research.

Saudi is a secular nation. The King is an absolute monarch and has authority over everyone else, including the imams. Islam has been extreme long before Saudi was even a nation. There was an attempt by the extremists to control the country and it was violently dealt with. The Saudi king and his government has absolutely no love for extremists. Saudi itself is friendly with Western nations, they have several trade deals and lots of Commerce. This fact has angered the extreme Islam factions and is what ignited the attempt to take control of government by them and the resultant bloody crackdown by the King. These elements have long since relocated to countries more favorable to their cause. The Saudi royal family is vast because of how its structured and there are second and third cousins that identify with radical Islam and send their money to them. Several prominent extremist leaders are exiled members of that family. The important word here is exiled, the Saudi monarch absolutely doesn't tolerate that ***in his land.

But hey Trump's an evil capitalist, just look at that hair.

Yet the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Egypt weren't included on the list...but let's continue evoking 9-11 as the justification.

Which is hilarious with respect to Trump. I mean he vilifies Bush for the Iraq war, rightly so, then turns around and evokes the same event the Bush administration did to justify their questionable actions.

Skirting like a pro.

Ah ignorance is showing.

A conservative religion isn't the same as an extremist one. They can follow all the hard line rules and still not go around blowing people up. There is a very active western population in Saudi that gets ignored, provided they don't interfere with the locals. Same with Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait. Compare this to ISIS which has the same beliefs but decides to make a crusade about them. Or Iran which has those beliefs and uses its state powers to fund and organize such attacks.

Saudi doesn't even have a large military, it hires western nations to secure it's borders from invasion.

Just because the Italians created the crusades doesn't make them a country that sponsors Christian extremism.

I'm still waiting for your apology Saevel btw.

Are we ignoring that the migrant crisis has been a thing? I'm just trying to figure this argument out. I mean, there are obviously many factors that led to France's current state, but why is proximity a problem? Oh yeah, because you have a lot of people who are poorly vetted or completely non-vetted getting into the country. Seems like the exact problem we're trying to prevent in the U.S.

Because those countries don't support or export terrorists. They actually kill or imprison them if their caught in their borders. Remember the Muslim Brotherhood, that extreme Islam political faction you previously supported. Yeah Egypt dealt with them harshly. UAE imprisons any ISIS or extremist caught in its borders and Saudi just kills publicly kills them.

If anything you'd be attacking him on allowing Afghanistan which is still unstable and not a very secular place. But instead you show your bias by going after the "rich" stable Islamic nations that assist the USA in fighting extremists.

Seems you are confusing theocratic monarchy with secular along with not being familiar with the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice aka Mutaween or Religious Police.

What the *** for.....

Yeah that's the running joke, he's just banning the poor Muslims.

I wonder if Saevel is one of those people that are paid to spread propaganda online. Everything he says always seems textbook propaganda.

Which is(not so)funny considering it's the accusation he throws at literally everyone who disagrees with him on anything.

Making ***up. You demonstrated it when you pulled an iq number out of your ***.

Admit your mistake for once in your *** life. Show us ONCE that you possess the humility to say you're wrong and that you're not so full of yourself that you consider yourself holder of ultimate truth on everything ever.

You got a mirror nearby? I think you're missing the other elephant in the room.