Jack Of All Trades: A Guide To Red Mage

Didn’t y’all do this like 6 months ago and the mods came through and deleted it all?

Top notch Rdm discussion gaiz.

Anyway, looks like JA adjusments is all they could squeeze out according to the update preview. Spell adjustments next month, maybe?

New rdm adjestment is, if a rdm in your party everyone gets chainspell.

Yeah that's what it seems to say, Job Ability adjustments now and Spells later. I assume spells portion won't just be RDM only, that it will be a broad strokes adjustment to spells, but you really never know.

I definitely enjoy these little installments. It definitely makes me more likely to play more jobs. The speculation part is fun too, like DNC adjustments made /dnc better so I'm wondering if PLD will get a favorable adjustment to Divine Magic through WHM adjustments or vise versa.

Pld adjustment is when a pld hp is low he turns into a nirvana staff and dies.

My speculation is they will take the recast penalty off Composure and give it a bigger accuracy buff. Gotta think like SE.

Thinking like SE is more like taking 1mp off of casting refresh...

I wouldn't be opposed. I've hit composure by mistake several times before entering a bcnm. Then screwed once I was inside lol. Never learn my lesson.

Seeing the same two people post over and over...I learned a lot about RDM...

Ok, I will admit I havent read like 70% of Afania and Byrne discussion and I don't really want to go back to it, but need to clarify something.

While BLU need to set spells, it's perfectly possible to set:
DW3, Triple attack, Accuracy III, StoreTP V(max), Criticla Attack Bonus, Attack III so almost all DD oriented traits and you stil have points left to set Dream Flower (AoE sleep), White Wind (strong AoE cure), Occultation (very potent blink), Tenebral Crush (-20% def down and very strong dark based AoE nuke), Chaotic Eye (Silence), Sudden Lunge (very potent st stun).

If you can sacrifice just +5 store tp, you could set Winds of Promyvion and some other utility spells you need.

All that with 8k DPS on easier stuff and probably "6k" if you are forced to take off tp bonus sword and switch do CDC.

Well, I agree, he is entitled to his opinion, and I regret having let that go on for so long. I was just trying to point out our opinion was also valid.

I'd be more for a stance job ability like hasso/seigan and the nin ones, etc. Composure more melee focused can add more Acc and other melee stuff if it wants and another more mage focused with increased magic skill or accuracy. However reality is more with the give a fencer job trait and 5 accuracy to composure and there you have it "job fixes."

I dont know why you're arguing in the first place. You can give RDM DW7, TA 100% and enspells for 10k and not a single damn thing would change. Still wouldn't be half as broken as "other jobs that are broken".

You cant participate in forum discussion and share opinion with others at all isnt it? When did I ever say your opinions are "invalid"? I only said your opinion is players pov and that does not have equal meaning as invalid.

But you just feel like arguing endlessly because as soon as I talk about my opinion and the reason behind it you immediately read it as "Afa said Byrnes opinions are "wrong"" despite "opinions" by nature are never right nor wrong, geez.


The traits that you listed are melee build though, its not an aoe/nuke build. So it doesnt change my point that blu doesnt get access to every aspect of the job on the same time.

And thats my point, that game has a mechnic of limitation similar to blu or dnc stances for all generalist jobs. SJ limitation on rdm is just something similar to blu because rdm has all spell access.

People keep bringing up "rdm isnt op" "pt invite rate" "corsair op" "cor get to be a magic dd range dd melee dd" and its completely missing my point to begin with.

And we can give NIN native mp pool and cure 4 and not a single damn thing would change, nor nin would be half as broken as other jobs.

Does that means it makes sense to give NIN cure 4? Nope.

I really dont understand the arguement that the design direction and how a job is played should change drastically just because its "its not broken that way" or "other jobs are more broken anyways".

Pretty simple really. It's imbalanced. It does not matter even a little bit what you do to anything that isn't the top, until it surpasses the top or you bring the top down. No discussion required.

It's broken until it's not broken anymore and nothing else is of any consequence.

Look man, I'm hoping this is the last I'll have to say on the subject, and I really hope I make it clear this time. You are not a developer, and you are not the arbiter of what is, or is not the design direction of a job.

We can give unrelated or unfair comparisons like "Giving NIN Cure IV" literally ad nauseum, and it will still have nothing to do with what was being discussed on this thread, and it's still not such a big deal that you should be busy-bodying around telling everyone they thinking from a "player pov" when you somehow aren't.

BLU can set up 2 spells and be able to effectively AoE, just Entomb and Tenebral crush, and they can still melee. If the AoE need isn't particularly great they can have WoP, and use BA for Tenebral Crush, and have just that one spell, along with Embalming Earth for the attack bonus trait, there are myriad ways that BLU can in fact do what you are saying it cannot.

Byrne why do you feel the need to say whats utterly obvious over and over and over? I dont have mental illiness that I need another person on the internet to tell me "hey Afa you are not a developer".

Im not here saying Im a developer, Im not here to say my opinion is by all end all holy light of everything. Im not here saying your opinions are invalid. I only said rdm doesnt need dw3 and it will change how the job is played by a lot, which is different from how se normally adjust jobs. I only said you guys are asking se to do more than they normally can do for job adjustments, thats all there is.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Because it seems that everytime when I said something it triggers you in some way that you read things I totally didnt say.

Can mod lock this thread and clean up 5 pages of ***please? Im sick and tired of everytime when I click this post to read about rdm I see another byrne post talk about Afania instead. For gods sake I didnt even quote you in my last post.

Sorry for the inconvinience.

And I dont agree, just because nin (or instert another underdog job) isnt on top, doesnt mean we can just ask everything and anything and give it to them. There are certain design direction and lore/image each job follows.

Or else we can give nin cure 4 because its not breaking a job, and c4 "opens more options", but what kind of ninja would cast cures?

Thats my point. Making melee a much more dominate playstyle for rdm is changing the job so much, to the point that it requires so much work on other moving parts for jobs and content.

And for some reason its endless "but whats so bad about it" "but its not as broken as other job" opinions that they are not addressing the main concern at all.

I think he's annoyed at you because you came into thread about the next job adjustment and started telling people no and that they couldn't have the things they wanted. Forums, much like the game, are a form of escapism and instead of contributing to what ifs or just not saying anything, you started an argument in the middle of people's escapism. I certainly didn't read almost any of your back and forth and barely skimmed it because you guys were clearly on fire from flaming each other, another form of escapism, and didn't want to waste my time on something that wasn't the entertainment i was looking for.

I am aware, nor I say "no" to your ultra long "ideas for fun" post. I simply post 1 short post about my thoughts on dw3, it doesnt go any further than that. I didnt reply every single crazy adjustment ideas with 10 page essays saying "no, this doesnt work." "No, that wouldnt work" for everything.

Then for some reason it immediately triggered byrne and he feel like arguing endlessly about everything I said, every wording I use, and 90% of discussion wasnt even about dw3.

Is red mage great yet ?

I'm willing to bet this update is going to make it greater !

Ninja should absolutely have healing jutsu btw, just sayin. if a dance can give hp, jutsu sure as ***can too. If runefencer can pulse HP back, theres no reason not to give healing jutsu. If thf can literally steal HP with Mug, theres no reason to not give healing jutsu.

Every single job in the game can heal itself except warrior and ninja ...and samurai, forgot that one. (not all of them well, but can) ((giving ranger bloody bolts, because its only an ammo swap not a weapon swap))

I would be absolutely fine with medical jutsu with astronomical enmity. Hell give em haste(2) jutsu too.