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Random Politics & Religion #11
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-09-16 00:51:43
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Clearly the best example of leftist prejudice I have ever seen.
I'm sure calling half of americans deplorable won't have any effect on the polls... oh wait. Clearly she should have said people who are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and islamaphobic support trump, but some of them are good people. As we have seen, that kind of statement isn't insulting to particular demographics at all.
Is it your argument that no racist, sexist, xenophonic or Islamaphobic people support Hillary? You are not a serious person then. The most racist people in the Country are Democrats. Just look at their record. Look at statistics. Racism is the only explanation for what Democrats have done to African Americans by and large for the last Century. Please, enlighten me as to the racist policies modern Democrats have held over the last 50 years.
Funneling money to Unions instead of the citizens who need it most is what I find most egregious and has yielded absolutely racist results. Democrats have large populations of disproportionately black citizens absolutely trapped in places like Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore with no opportunity to get a quality, safe education; no economic opportunity. Money does not go to improving education; it goes to the teacher’s Union. When taxes are increased they don’t go towards economic development; they pay Union pensions for city workers that retired at 50 twenty years earlier. Union pensions are bankrupting dozens of major cities all across the Country and this by and large disproportionately affects minorities more than it effects white people.
The policies of Democratic run local governments has caused a segregation of our society. African Americans make up only 12% of the population but it is by no means evenly divided. You can’t take a cross-section of random areas of our Country and ever expect to get 12% African Americans. The African American population is densely concentrated in cities while white folks live in the nice suburbs surrounding them. The above named cities, Detroit(bankrupt) – 85% black; Chicago – 33%, Philadelphia – 45% and Baltimore – 65% African American. That’s stunning.
Philadelphia hasn’t had a Republican mayor since 1948.
Detroit hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1962.
Chicago hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1931.
Baltimore hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1967.
Care to have a gander at those cities crime, murder and economic statistics?
Democrats are failing African Americans decade after decade and I believe it is intentional.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-16 06:13:44
Amandarius you have a good point about Democrats failing Americans decade after decade and you have a very good reason to believe it is intentional. This can go a step further by adding in the Republicans. Do not forget in state government and federal government it was also Republicans who voted alongside Democrats introducing socialistic policy that created the mess we are seeing today in the United States. Sure Republicans may say something different on TV interviews and newspaper articles, but behind those chamber doors they vote with the Democrats.
Tyrants don't want to give up power willingly, they must be challenged and forced out. It is the only hope for the United States and the World that we see these political party organizations put to justice and the power of governance restored to the people of this great nation.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-16 06:17:58
I love this picture
By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 07:48:26
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Funneling money to Unions instead of the citizens who need it most is what I find most egregious and has yielded absolutely racist results. Democrats have large populations of disproportionately black citizens absolutely trapped in places like Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore with no opportunity to get a quality, safe education; no economic opportunity. Money does not go to improving education; it goes to the teacher’s Union. When taxes are increased they don’t go towards economic development; they pay Union pensions for city workers that retired at 50 twenty years earlier. Union pensions are bankrupting dozens of major cities all across the Country and this by and large disproportionately affects minorities more than it effects white people.
The policies of Democratic run local governments has caused a segregation of our society. African Americans make up only 12% of the population but it is by no means evenly divided. You can’t take a cross-section of random areas of our Country and ever expect to get 12% African Americans. The African American population is densely concentrated in cities while white folks live in the nice suburbs surrounding them. The above named cities, Detroit(bankrupt) – 85% black; Chicago – 33%, Philadelphia – 45% and Baltimore – 65% African American. That’s stunning.
Philadelphia hasn’t had a Republican mayor since 1948.
Detroit hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1962.
Chicago hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1931.
Baltimore hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1967.
Care to have a gander at those cities crime, murder and economic statistics?
Democrats are failing African Americans decade after decade and I believe it is intentional.
Buckle up. Rural America is going away and its not coming back. This isn't going to be a problem just for black people soon. Unions and pensions didn't cause the problem, but rather have been one factor that has fueled the fire once lit.
Centralization is a big problem in this country, yet also an almost inescapable conclusion when you look at the way we've progressed since industrialization. Democrats? Republicans? Blame them both, and throw the various defunct parties on the bonfire too because it's been the product of hundreds of years of progress. Industry almost demands the centralized conglomeration of population.
Work is increasingly in the cities. No corporation wants to locate in rural America anymore. Why would they? Having a smaller pool of potential employees dilutes the talent pool. Move close enough to a population center and you open up a veritable sea of talent and get the added boon of driving down wages you have to pay because people are fighting to be able to work at all.
So no jobs in the boonies. Too many people in cities. Businesses move to cities or out of the country where they can take their pick of people to underpay. People from rural areas move to cities to be closer to whatever jobs they can get. Vicious cycle ensues and continues to spin as we speak.
Who you blame is almost meaningless. Fixing the problem in a manner that most people would deem ideal would require the sort of authoritarian action that would leave most people -- conservative or liberal alike -- so aghast that it's inconceivable that it would ever happen.
By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 07:49:51
This isn't going to be a problem just for black people soon.
This is an erroneous statement on my part, as it was short-sighted and limited just to Aman's examples.
It's been a problem for the entire population of rural America -- black, white, and everyone in between -- for at least 50 years.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-09-16 08:36:21
Clearly the best example of leftist prejudice I have ever seen.
I'm sure calling half of americans deplorable won't have any effect on the polls... oh wait. She called the portion who are racist, sexist, etc., deplorable. It's not a complicated statement. People who think that way should be deplored.
She said half of his supporters were those "deplorables". That probably includes a bunch of children who can't even vote yet. She basically called up to a fourth of the country racist.
Mitt Romney said 47% of the electorate was going to vote democratic no matter what he did. That they we're depend and on government and never going to vote for him anyways.
There really is no comparison. Hilary's is far more insulting and far less true. I'd say it will sink her campaign, but at this point there are so many holes in the ship who can really say.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-16 08:50:05
Why can't kids be deplorable?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-16 08:51:59
Not to mention children don't know anything about politics.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-09-16 09:00:11
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Why can't kids be deplorable?
I mean most kids are deplorable but just not so because they're racist sexist homophobes.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 09:18:39
Work is increasingly in the cities.
lol... have you been to a city lately? there isn't anything even remotely similar to "work" going on in detroit. Unless you include drug trafficking.
companies that didn't move all assembly/light industrial operations to mexico or china have moved out of the rust belt and into the sticks. To escape the unions.
Places like rural kentucky, tennessee, the carolinas and even alabama. ie: toyota, honda, meritor, dana, etc.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-16 09:24:16
She said half of his supporters were those "deplorables". That probably includes a bunch of children who can't even vote yet. She basically called up to a fourth of the country racist.
Mitt Romney said 47% of the electorate was going to vote democratic no matter what he did. That they we're depend and on government and never going to vote for him anyways.
There really is no comparison. Hilary's is far more insulting and far less true. I'd say it will sink her campaign, but at this point there are so many holes in the ship who can really say. Yeah that's what I said. And that's probably a conservative estimate. Did you order your shirt yet?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-09-16 09:32:29
She said half of his supporters were those "deplorables". That probably includes a bunch of children who can't even vote yet. She basically called up to a fourth of the country racist.
Mitt Romney said 47% of the electorate was going to vote democratic no matter what he did. That they we're depend and on government and never going to vote for him anyways.
There really is no comparison. Hilary's is far more insulting and far less true. I'd say it will sink her campaign, but at this point there are so many holes in the ship who can really say. Yeah that's what I said. And that's probably a conservative estimate. Did you order your shirt yet?
Ah cool, your accepting the rest of what I said as valid.
Are you saying I'm deplorable? That's kinda "personal".
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 09:43:35
Pleebo used the "C" word!
One of Us!!! x100
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 09:45:45
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-09-16 10:10:03
Insulting the voting base is about the dumbest thing you can do... For any reason it doesn't matter... She's not doing herself any favors for sure and you can't really excuse it...
As for Nausi trying to say that she's insulting all those little kids that support trump... Man you're really stretching there... It's already a terrible statement by Hill dog and you're just stretching to try and make it worse... Try not to fall off your chair...
By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 10:10:38
lol... have you been to a city lately? there isn't anything even remotely similar to "work" going on in detroit. Unless you include drug trafficking.
companies that didn't move all assembly/light industrial operations to mexico or china have moved out of the rust belt and into the sticks. To escape the unions.
Businesses move to cities or out of the country
A few big manufacturers staying in the country and finding a niche in specific communities is hardly indicative of the big picture. Non-major cities and smaller, everyone's leaving and no one is moving jobs TO those places.
By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 10:11:34
Are you saying I'm deplorable? That's kinda "personal".
I don't know about you the person, but your stances on several topics are deplorable.
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By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 10:12:06
I don't know about you the person, but your stances on several topics are deplorable.
^
But here's the thing: you think mine are on those very same topics.
That's why it's an opinion.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-09-16 10:29:26
Not to mention children don't know anything about politics. As someone who watched the checkers speech in living black and white when I was 8, I beg to differ.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-16 10:40:38
Pleebo used the "C" word!
One of Us!!! x100 CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE
-waits for ghost of Reagan to appear in the mirror-
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 10:58:51
Pleebo used the "C" word!
One of Us!!! x100 CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE
-waits for ghost of Reagan to appear in the mirror-
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By fonewear 2016-09-16 11:16:29
The only thing deplorable is this thread.
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By fonewear 2016-09-16 11:20:24
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Funneling money to Unions instead of the citizens who need it most is what I find most egregious and has yielded absolutely racist results. Democrats have large populations of disproportionately black citizens absolutely trapped in places like Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore with no opportunity to get a quality, safe education; no economic opportunity. Money does not go to improving education; it goes to the teacher’s Union. When taxes are increased they don’t go towards economic development; they pay Union pensions for city workers that retired at 50 twenty years earlier. Union pensions are bankrupting dozens of major cities all across the Country and this by and large disproportionately affects minorities more than it effects white people.
The policies of Democratic run local governments has caused a segregation of our society. African Americans make up only 12% of the population but it is by no means evenly divided. You can’t take a cross-section of random areas of our Country and ever expect to get 12% African Americans. The African American population is densely concentrated in cities while white folks live in the nice suburbs surrounding them. The above named cities, Detroit(bankrupt) – 85% black; Chicago – 33%, Philadelphia – 45% and Baltimore – 65% African American. That’s stunning.
Philadelphia hasn’t had a Republican mayor since 1948.
Detroit hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1962.
Chicago hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1931.
Baltimore hasn’t had a Republican Mayor since 1967.
Care to have a gander at those cities crime, murder and economic statistics?
Democrats are failing African Americans decade after decade and I believe it is intentional.
Buckle up. Rural America is going away and its not coming back. This isn't going to be a problem just for black people soon. Unions and pensions didn't cause the problem, but rather have been one factor that has fueled the fire once lit.
Centralization is a big problem in this country, yet also an almost inescapable conclusion when you look at the way we've progressed since industrialization. Democrats? Republicans? Blame them both, and throw the various defunct parties on the bonfire too because it's been the product of hundreds of years of progress. Industry almost demands the centralized conglomeration of population.
Work is increasingly in the cities. No corporation wants to locate in rural America anymore. Why would they? Having a smaller pool of potential employees dilutes the talent pool. Move close enough to a population center and you open up a veritable sea of talent and get the added boon of driving down wages you have to pay because people are fighting to be able to work at all.
So no jobs in the boonies. Too many people in cities. Businesses move to cities or out of the country where they can take their pick of people to underpay. People from rural areas move to cities to be closer to whatever jobs they can get. Vicious cycle ensues and continues to spin as we speak.
Who you blame is almost meaningless. Fixing the problem in a manner that most people would deem ideal would require the sort of authoritarian action that would leave most people -- conservative or liberal alike -- so aghast that it's inconceivable that it would ever happen.
It was work to read your long post !
By fonewear 2016-09-16 12:31:48
By fonewear 2016-09-16 12:32:21
It is all shits and giggles with Hillary !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 13:08:47
Pleebo used the "C" word!
One of Us!!! x100 CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVE
-waits for ghost of Reagan to appear in the mirror-
I'll go get your bad shoes, poorly fitting navy suit, your rep tie and american flag pin... wait right there!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-16 13:11:22
By Ramyrez 2016-09-16 13:13:36
Dat Cross Pen is a nice touch, tho.
So dapper.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-09-16 13:14:44
And we're suppose to think Trump is trigger happy?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-16 13:18:55
I think everyone here is aware that there'll be another war with her. Unless the syrian one keeps going so long that it won't be required.
Just need to find someone that is fodder enough. Iran is no good, it would escalate too much. Something like Indonesia or Ethiopia that no one cares about.
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