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Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Thread
By Jadey 2016-09-11 19:41:03
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-09-11 19:47:01
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 20:09:00
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Perfectly reasonable statement explaining today's events. Better crank up the intensity on the faux outrage machine.
It's comical how delusional you are just to defend a failed candidate.
She's got Parkinson's, pretty obvious. Oh, and Pneumonia is the number 1 killer of people with Parkinson's Disease. I hope she can take care of herself but I do NOT want her running our country under that condition. I'm no Trumpeteer, but I'm exhausted from Hillary's incessant lying. It's getting ridiculous at this point. So the ridiculousness gets ratcheted up now that the reality doesn't fit the predetermined delusion. So predictable.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-09-11 20:15:09
Regardless of what her exact medical problems are, they're a liability for her campaign. Therefore, her supporters are going to do what they've been doing with the 137 other liabilities to her campaign -- deny, deny, deny.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-09-11 20:17:22
She has pneumonia, there is no denial happening.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 20:22:06
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Perfectly reasonable statement explaining today's events. Better crank up the intensity on the faux outrage machine.
It's comical how delusional you are just to defend a failed candidate.
She's got Parkinson's, pretty obvious. Oh, and Pneumonia is the number 1 killer of people with Parkinson's Disease. I hope she can take care of herself but I do NOT want her running our country under that condition. I'm no Trumpeteer, but I'm exhausted from Hillary's incessant lying. It's getting ridiculous at this point. So the ridiculousness gets ratcheted up now that the reality doesn't fit the predetermined delusion. So predictable.
Nah, I've said for a while marking it as Parkinson's. Just looked through my texts and one to my dad on August 8th saying I think she has it based on the evidence THEN. Now with substantially more evidence...
I won't be gaslit, though it seems like gaslighting is a pretty normal tactic for you.
By Jadey 2016-09-11 20:24:23
So the ridiculousness gets ratcheted up now that the reality doesn't fit the predetermined delusion. So predictable.
The reality is that Hillary has pneumonia and hid it for three days (and probably would have hid it longer had she not needed to be dragged into a van in view of a recording device.) She was told to change her schedule and rest, and refused her doctor's advice.
The reality is Hillary either exposed untold numbers of people in range of her to viral/bacterial pneumonia - including Barbara Streisand at a fundraiser, the people at the 9/11 memorial service, and her own grandchildren (reports from the campaign say she played with Chelsea's kids in the apartment as she recovered) or she has a type of aspiration pneumonia that is not contagious but is rarely seen outside of people with major throat and swallowing problems, including those with Parkinson's disease (and is considered the #1 killer of people who suffer from Parkinson's.)
The reality is that DNC operatives are leaking to the press that high-level discussions are going on right now regarding whether or not Hillary can continue her campaign with the combination of this illness and her "Basket of Deplorables" comments to Israeli media and in speeches at her fundraisers this past week. According to some sources, nobody outside her inner circle (including the DNC) knew she was diagnosed Friday.
The reality is that Hillary Clinton is CLEARLY, VISIBLY SICK, CONFIRMED BY HER PERSONAL DOCTOR, and trying to handwave this away is not going to change the facts.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-09-11 20:37:48
How bad would the PR have been had she skipped the 9/11 memorial, even with the legitimate diagnosis of pneumonia? Much worse than this fake outrage being spewed from the right. There is no denial happening, obviously some people here have never had pneumonia. Lucky them, its awful. But keep up the idiotic conspiracy theories for the laughs.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 20:43:36
Haha, even after video proof it's somehow "conspiracy theory". Hell, she could die in a couple weeks and this would be the media news release, "Despite her death, Hillary Clinton had decided on her deathbed to continue to run for President. We can only hope you will support her embalmed corpse come November 8th!"
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-09-11 20:45:16
She has pneumonia, there is no denial happening.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 20:46:25
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Nah, I've said for a while marking it as Parkinson's. Just looked through my texts and one to my dad on August 8th saying I think she has it based on the evidence THEN. Now with substantially more evidence...
I won't be gaslit, though it seems like gaslighting is a pretty normal tactic for you. So then you've always been ridiculous. Yay for you.
The reality is that Hillary Clinton is CLEARLY, VISIBLY SICK, CONFIRMED BY HER PERSONAL DOCTOR, and trying to handwave this away is not going to change the facts. And? She got sick with a common illness, tried to power through since she's campaigning for *** president, and now has to take it easy for a bit. I could only imagine sheer magnitude of the fake uproar if she had missed the memorial visit today. Regardless, the fanatics won't care what anyone has to say unless it's to confirm her for super aids or space cancer so no real loss.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 20:52:34
Also, even at the event, while they were saying the names of fallen people, she chatted away with the people around her. Not one God damn lick of respect for the dead:
https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/775017547787829248
Combine that with all the history of her contempt for the lessers around her like with Chelsea convinced the SS were just pigs because that's what her parents called them. Her and her Vince Foster meltdown. W's off keyboards??
Too much *** baggage. If it were Bernie up there, while I wouldn't agree with his economic policies I would have admired him for his social policies. Hillary's got nothing, even on the social aspect I technically agree with her on, she has flipflopped every which way to try and nab the vote. Go back 10 years and she's opposed to gay marriage.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-09-11 20:52:43
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Perfectly reasonable statement explaining today's events. Better crank up the intensity on the faux outrage machine.
It's comical how delusional you are just to defend a failed candidate.
She's got Parkinson's, pretty obvious. Oh, and Pneumonia is the number 1 killer of people with Parkinson's Disease. I hope she can take care of herself but I do NOT want her running our country under that condition. I'm no Trumpeteer, but I'm exhausted from Hillary's incessant lying. It's getting ridiculous at this point. So the ridiculousness gets ratcheted up now that the reality doesn't fit the predetermined delusion. So predictable.
Nah, I've said for a while marking it as Parkinson's. Just looked through my texts and one to my dad on August 8th saying I think she has it based on the evidence THEN. Now with substantially more evidence...
I won't be gaslit, though it seems like gaslighting is a pretty normal tactic for you.
Pretty obvious that you are full of ***. Yes really. There is no evidence to support this wild armchair diagnosis of Parkinsons. Somehow only you can see it, or..you are lying. Yep, gonna go with you lying.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 20:57:46
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Nah, I've said for a while marking it as Parkinson's. Just looked through my texts and one to my dad on August 8th saying I think she has it based on the evidence THEN. Now with substantially more evidence...
I won't be gaslit, though it seems like gaslighting is a pretty normal tactic for you. So then you've always been ridiculous. Yay for you.
Funny thing is, every day that passes I seem to be closer and closer to being right on the matter. :)
Look at how her staff is completely non-reactionary towards her during her episode. News flash, this isn't the forst time she's lost muscle control and is likely the reason she had the concussion some years back.
There's a LOT out there tying to it, but I don't expect you to believe it until the autopsy report.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 20:58:44
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Perfectly reasonable statement explaining today's events. Better crank up the intensity on the faux outrage machine.
It's comical how delusional you are just to defend a failed candidate.
She's got Parkinson's, pretty obvious. Oh, and Pneumonia is the number 1 killer of people with Parkinson's Disease. I hope she can take care of herself but I do NOT want her running our country under that condition. I'm no Trumpeteer, but I'm exhausted from Hillary's incessant lying. It's getting ridiculous at this point. So the ridiculousness gets ratcheted up now that the reality doesn't fit the predetermined delusion. So predictable.
Nah, I've said for a while marking it as Parkinson's. Just looked through my texts and one to my dad on August 8th saying I think she has it based on the evidence THEN. Now with substantially more evidence...
I won't be gaslit, though it seems like gaslighting is a pretty normal tactic for you.
Pretty obvious that you are full of ***. Yes really. There is no evidence to support this wild armchair diagnosis of Parkinsons. Somehow only you can see it, or..you are lying. Yep, gonna go with you lying.
Would you like me to upload it to imgur? I have the text right here :)
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-09-11 21:01:09
I think Mahayaya is Martin Shkreli. Too many coincidences.
... Or a fan of infowars. #August8thParkisons
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-09-11 21:06:12
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Would you like me to upload it to imgur? I have the text right here :)
I don't give a ***if you texted some guy at some point that you cooked up the conspiracy theory of Hillary Clinton having Parkinson's disease, it doesn't mean anything. At all.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 21:06:50
By Jadey 2016-09-11 21:07:10
Oh no, she can't miss the memorial! Think of the optics!
*leaves memorial early, passes out, dragged by handlers into waiting van while unconscious*
Pretty obvious that you are full of ***. Yes really. There is no evidence to support this wild armchair diagnosis of Parkinsons. Somehow only you can see it, or..you are lying. Yep, gonna go with you lying.
Ted Noel, a board certified anesthesiologist wrote a memo regarding what he's seen of Hillary's health - you can read it here or watch the video he made below, but here are the highlights:
Quote: On July 21 a video of HRC is posted that has many observers calling a "seizure." We should note the setting. She is answering questions, and then multiple reporters call out at the same time. Such a shock is often too much stress for a PD patient, and the patient suffers an "on/off" episode. Higher control turns off and an unpredictable dyskinesia takes over. Shortly she switches back "on" and regains control. Her mind froze during the "off" state, but was aware, so she is able to speak again, but inappropriately. It should be noted that such dyskinesias are sufficiently common with long term treatment that
they have a name: Parkinson's Disease LevoDopa Induced Dyskinesia (PD LID)...
Days later, HRC "freezes" again at a campaign rally. This "off" state is like the others, triggered by a startle/stress reaction. But what is more telling is that the security detail gives her specific instructions in an attempt to get her to turn "on" again. She then parrots those exact words as she restarts. This is another PD sign. The numerous episodes of prolonged coughing are another tell. Swallowing disorders are very
common in PD. They can lead to aspiration pneumonia, the most common cause of death in PD. But before that they lead to chronic difficulty swallowing saliva. It gets onto the vocal cords, leading to coughing in an attempt to clear them. The high frequency of these episodes strongly suggests a major swallowing disorder. Multiple episodes of inappropriate and extended laughter have also been documented. This, again, is common in PD...
HRC probably has PD. She has had clinical symptoms for a minimum of 4 years, and probably much longer, given that the fall leading to her head injury required a significant progression of
the disease. All of her bizarre physical actions since that time fit nicely into the spectrum of signs that we expect in PD. And since PD explains all of them, we have a high probability of a correct diagnosis. It has almost certainly been treated with levodopa. Some of her symptoms may be related to this drug treatment...
PD is a chronic disease with a downhill prognosis. HRC's instability and frequent cough suggest that her PD is advanced. This is not a good outlook for someone running for the Presidency. The office of the President is one of the highest stress jobs in the world. Stress sets off PD episodes, which render the sufferer incapable of proper response...
HRC's coughing suggests that her swallowing disorder is advanced, placing her closer to an aspiration pneumonia that would disable or kill her...
It is not appropriate for a physician to make a diagnosis at a distance. But since the evidence in the public record so strongly suggests that HRC has moderate to advanced PD, it is imperative
that HRC release her complete medical record to an impartial panel of physicians for review. It is not necessary for the public at large to see them. Such a panel should be secure in its
deliberations and should present a summary to the public. If she has PD, the panel would know and it would be made public. If not, then the air would clear.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 21:09:48
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Well that settles it. Hillary confirmed for zombie ebola.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-09-11 21:11:27
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Oh yeah, that means so much! You are still delusional.
By fonewear 2016-09-11 21:11:32
I got pneumonia from read how terrible this thread is !
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 21:11:58
Is Ted Noel someone we're supposed to give a ***about seeing as he's not her doctor or doesn't have any access to Hillary's extended medical history?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-09-11 21:12:34
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Well that settles it. Hillary confirmed for zombie ebola.
They cut off the response of "I made it up."
By Eboneezer 2016-09-11 21:14:33
How bad would the PR have been had she skipped the 9/11 memorial, even with the legitimate diagnosis of pneumonia?
I doubt it would have been that bad, especially if the pneumonia was announced Friday or even Saturday in advance.
Much worse than this fake outrage being spewed from the right. There is no denial happening
Forced by yet another event, we were told nothing happened. Oh there's a video now? She was just overheated. It was 78 degrees outside? It was pneumonia, she was apparently diagnosed days ago. Yet it took hours after the event for anyone in the Hillary camp to give a simple pneumonia diagnoses. Is the pneumonia the final answer? What are we going to go with so I can keep up with which one I'm supposed to believe?
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By fonewear 2016-09-11 21:18:56
I'll tell you what I believe. Whatever CNN tells me to believe !
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2016-09-11 21:23:01
None of this would have been a problem if they just didn't rig the DNC. Bernie could be sweeping the floor right now with the Republicans, but the Democrats just had to have their corrupt-*** Clinton in the driver seat. Their own fault.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-09-11 21:24:02
I believe that Eboneezer should open everyone of their posts on this thread with "Hillary Clinton walked into Gary's today...."
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 21:30:36
Is Ted Noel someone we're supposed to give a ***about seeing as he's not her doctor or doesn't have any access to Hillary's extended medical history?
I would ask Hillary or her doctor but they both seem to have a history of hiding diagnosed illnesses and lying about or obscuring the causes of her health problems until they become too difficult to conceal so you kind of have to start looking to third parties. Remember that before about 6 hours ago, the official line from HRC and her campaign was "Shut up, idiots, she's in perfect health, all those coughing fits and head jerking are just allergies and her being silly with reporters! Right-wing conspiracy!"
Also, Parkinson's is an illness that is almost entirely diagnosed by observation of behavior and tremors so while - as he says - you cannot 100% accurately diagnose at a distance, you can make generalizations based on the visual evidence.
Does this prove that she has Parkinson's without a doubt? No, of course not. Has she demonstrated behavior that mimics the symptoms of Parkinsons? Some say yes. You clearly say no. It's an illness that can be hid for decades with barely anyone knowing - look at Michael J. Fox.
And it's not even uncommon for presidential candidates to have their medical histories lied about in order to get them into office! JFK was being fed a portable pharmacy daily to keep him out of intense pain and suffering and his campaign (all the way up to LBJ) outright lied about it and suppressed journalists from letting the public know. We only found out after his records were unsealed in 2002!
Quote: Kennedy suffered from colitis, prostatitis, and a disorder called Addison's disease, which affects the body's ability to regulate blood sugar and sodium. He also had osteoporosis of the lower back, causing pain so severe that he was unable to perform simple tasks such as reaching across his desk to pull papers forward, or pulling the shoe and sock onto his left foot, Dallek said.
To fight the pain, Kennedy took as many as 12 medications at once, taking more during times of stress.
The medical records reveal that Kennedy variously took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain; Ritalin, a stimulant; meprobamate and librium for anxiety; barbiturates for sleep; thyroid hormone; and injections of a blood derivative, gamma globulin, a medicine that combats infections.
During the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961, and the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962, Kennedy was taking steroids for his Addison's disease, painkillers for his back, anti-spasmodics for his colitis, antibiotics for urinary tract infections, antihistamines for his allergies, and on at least one occasion, an anti-psychotic drug to treat a severe mood change that Jackie Kennedy believed was brought on by the antihistamines.
This deluge of drugs often had side effects, including grogginess or even depression. To treat this Kennedy took more still anti-anxiety medications...
But Kennedy and his closest circle took great pains to hide his health problems from the public, fearing it would impair his political career. JFK was particularly fearful that revelations about his health problems would hurt him in the neck-and-neck presidential race with Richard Nixon in 1960.
He was so terrified of his medical conditions being known that in the 1960 fight for the Democratic nomination, Lyndon Johnson aides aired the fact that Kennedy had Addison's disease, and the Kennedy campaign flatly denied it, Dallek said. His doctors later published a letter saying his health was excellent.
As amazing as the list of drugs Kennedy took is the fact that it was kept mostly secret. To this day, his closest aides don't know or won't admit the extent of his ailments.
"He was a man in very good health," said Kennedy adviser Ted Sorenson told ABCNEWS. "There is no doubt about the fact that he had a bad back, as millions of men do, sometimes it hurt worse than others."
His aides attributed any visible problem to a war injury. When the president rode a cherry picker to board Air Force One, it was just because of a sore back, not the fact he couldn't climb a stair.
Hillary Clinton Presidential Race 2016
What She Stands For
Education: Make public college debt-free. Fund universal pre-K. Against No Child Left Behind. Position unknown on Common Core.
Guns: Ban several types of assault weapons. Repeal protections for gun makers. Create a comprehensive background check system and close loopholes.
Healthcare: Give the government a role is setting insurance rates. Expand Obamacare but do not attempt to create a universal healthcare system now.
Immigration: Continue DACA and DAPA programs to waive deportation and expand them. Give undocumented residents a path to legal status.
Jobs and Wages: $275 billion stimulus plan. Tax credits for jobs. Raise federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
Marijuana: “Wait and see” on overall legalization.
Social Issues: Abortion should be legal. So should same-sex marriage.
Taxes: A series of targeted tax credits for the middle class. Raise capital gains taxes.
Israel: Work toward a two-state solution. Do not necessarily freeze settlement building.
Iran: Support framework for nuclear deal. Continue diplomacy efforts and some sanctions.
Islamic State: No boots on the ground. Use regional troops.
Trade: Clinton announced last year that she does not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership as it currently stands. The deal — the largest trade agreement in history — cuts trade barriers, protects multinational corporations’ intellectual properties and sets labor and environmental standards. ( in other works makes the US even more of a jobless nation compared to other "free trade deals"
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