Random Politics & Religion #02

Why would Bernie be a great president?
We all agree our government is corrupt as (w/e the most corrupt thing ever is). I'm guessing from the complete lack of Hillary support around here we all believe she is part of that problem.

Bernie has no solutions (other than increasing our debt x100) to fix anything. We need the exact opposite of Bernie.

Well considering that is also what Trump and Cruz are proposing, looks like you are voting for Hillary.

So you're saying that the House and Senate refuse to pass legislation because they're afraid of a veto? Why aren't they even passing bills to be vetoed right now?

Hint: They aren't Conservatives.

I'm shocked.

Care to extrapolate that? I'm guessing not.

I'm not saying they are smart?
Last I checked Conservatives are not at the helm of the current cluster that is our Government. I'll take grid-lock and stagnation over the possibility of something/anything like the ACA getting passed again.

I dunno what you want?
You really haven't said anything other than you know a Conservative that would vote for a Democrat. Which automatically disqualifies him from being a Conservative...

It's hard to call Hillary the opposite of Bernie when she's stealing lines from his stump speeches.

The entire reason Bernie was around in the first place was to make Hillary look sane. It is backfiring big time and he now has a small chance of winning the nomination!

Well, no he doesn't.. Everyone knows its rigged for Hillary, which makes it even more hilarious!

She actually said she wasn't part of the establishment tonight. I almost veered off the road and hit a tree from laughing so hard.

And this is the part that confuses the crap out of me. This is the year, the year that the left could actually get a socialist elected. Sanders destroys the Republicans in head-to-head polls. He could neutralize the anti-establishment frustration coming from the center. The democrats could drive the executive branch further left than it's ever been. And who are they voting for instead? Hillary. Freaking. Clinton.

The Democrats elected Obama on the premise of real "hope and change" and didn't get it, and then what happens when the first Democrat who actually has the integrity to follow his principles and bring about real change actually has a decent shot at the presidency? They go for Hillary. Freaking. Clinton.

/slowclap

I don't even like Bernie that much, but holy crap. For the life of me I can't figure out the fuzzy logic that is pouring through their skulls.

Pretty sure Hillary brought up Obama at least 10 times. She name dropped every chance she could. She mentions all the time about how she "backed" or "supported". She never mentions anything that she proposed or led on her own. It's painfully obvious that her last name will get her elected.

You're missing the point. Yeah the Republican side isn't strong now, but that's precisely why the left should be fighting for their only chance to win an election without having to strongly appeal to center. Hillary is the worst candidate to actually fight for the causes of the Left, so why in the world would they go for her if either candidate could win the general?

I agree with this.
I mean if it was already Clinton vs a Republican, then ok, she's more progressive so if that's your ideology you roll with that.
But you got a better alternative I don't know why chose her(actually I do, it's the first woman effect, just like first black effect for Obamus).

On a related note I've been watching their twitters out of curiousity and for what it's worth that was telling of the characters too.

Sanders' were annoyingly repetitive, but at least they seemed 90% focused on his policies and ideas for presidency.

Clinton's was all about self-praising. Lol, like 80% of her posts are all about how she's the best, so awesome, etc.

Oh man.

The delusion is amazing here.

I'm going to be laughing at all you guys come December.

See, we should all be able to agree that is *** hilarious.

Most Americans like this, as far as I can tell. If they didn't, it wouldn't be nigh-omnipresent in our leaders and celebrities.

I mean, look how many people support Trump? And he's basically the textbook definition of a narcissist.

That's pretty much how they act.

That's not why he's got that ridiculous amount of support.

People like Trump because he doesn't allow himself to be bullied into acting or talking a certain way. He may be rash and uncouth, but he is unapologetic and not afraid to piss off and offend people. In today's society of "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings", the majority of the population feels like too much "political correctness" is being forced down people's throats. This makes him extremely relatable, more so then any other candidate, on either side.

Do not underestimate how powerful relatability is.

Bernie is an old hat super socialist

Hillary is a wealthy super elite aristocrat, we're talking 0.00000001% here.

Cruz is a holier then thou, must ask Jesus which breakfast cereal to eat every day, super christian.

Kasich isn't that bad actually, but it's that mediocrity that hurts him, he is the most unrelatable of the bunch and screams "90's banker Republican" which people are wary of right now.

Then there is Trump who's loud, unapologetic and speaks straight. Has publicly said Hillary did favors for him in exchange for his support and that when he called she was there. Nobody has come close to the strength of statements he's made, which are only polarizing to those of extreme political belief. People in the middle just chuckle and laugh.

Hillary's problem is almost entirely one of hubris. From losing the nod in 2008 to the e-mail thing to having to be way closer in the polling with Bernie than she's comfortable with. And every event that's fallen between.

She's acted this entire time like the big chair is something she's destined for and that's almost her right.

And despite the fact it's within her grasp -- or maybe because of it -- she just can't figure out how to do any better than she has, because it's gotten her this far.

The problem for the rest of us, of course, is that both Bill and Hillary somehow manage to get up every time hubris knocks them down. They never actually pay* for their mistakes. They get to say "Whoops, sorry!" and keep going.

*in the grand sense. Obviously they've shelled out tons of money. That they have. Because...the world really has no sense of justice, honestly.

...yeah. He acts like the bully, instead.

You're not wrong. I just think people are wrong for supporting him for these reasons. I really think the things we said go hand-in-hand, personally, but that's just my take on it. His "brashness" and his arrogance go hand-in-hand.

If primaries started now I think Clinton would be steamrolled into defeat. I don't remember who already said here that at the start Sanders was mostly unknown to average voters(which means people not into politics until an election comes around). But alas, the past cannot be changed and Sanders hardly has any chance unless(and I frankly believe the superduperdelegates system thing is a bit ridiculous - it greatly diminishes people's votes).

*that "unless" was a mistake

As for Trump, I wish people were less concerned with how "cool" he is with that being carefree and all, and more with the amount of flipflopping and evasiveness he's shown on many issues.
100% preying on ignorance and yet..