WHM DD

Maybe use Bathy Choker +1 for the +11 Subtle Blow for a total of 31. W/ Auspice & while wearing Eber’s Duckbills +3 during Auspice casting puts you at 50 Subtle Blow.

Using Shetal Stone + Suppa would allow you to skip DW on cape to use Null cape.
But frankly I'm unconvinced it would be a DPS increase.
There's also Bunzi R30 for head btw, not sure how it compares, they're probably pretty close.

Personally I'd be leaning to Sworn, but if you already have Bunzi R30 then Sworn Crown would be the last piece of the set for me, in terms of priority.

Once again, chasing DW just to cap delay is not always the way. I have already wrote that it's TP gain loss (assuming samurai roll too). Alabaster earring is R30 in those sims.

2.765s

2.894s

2.799s

2.771s

2.856s

Higher acc swaps:
2.923s

why is crepuscular ring in these sets? is there something i'm missing?

You are right it should be second Chirich. It's the same store TP and sim simply took Crepuscular first and didn't swap to Chirich, because accuracy has been already capped.

missed a set that could have Alabaster/Dedition + shetal stone.

2.770s

Almost as good as with Eabani. Higher acc

Interesting, that this setup prefer Bunzi over Nyame A. With Nyame it's 2.780s

There is also a set without DW at all, which is almost as good as the best one.

2.768s

I think its worth noting that for many jobs Hoxne ampulla fee is closer to 2 million gil/hr. Its 1000 gil upkeep per swing, so that 200k fee happens after just 200 swings. But dual wield jobs and monk have very low delay and already reach 2000 swings/hr as is. Monk is the job I could most justify Hoxne ampulla for since H2H weaponskills really benefit from multi procs. Guaranteeing a pair of double procs on Raging fists, howling fists, tornado kick and dragon kick is massive. But even then, I still think I'd use the thing sparingly.

I farm gil at a decent rate. Do my monthly ambuscades, sell my limbus materials, etc etc. So I'd use the thing from time to time. But I wouldn't feel comfortable throwing 20 million down the drain every week just to save maybe 40 or 50 minutes across my 10 limbus runs. The time saved versus gil investment ratio is quite terrible to use it all the time. Hoxne ampulla is fine when you have massive gil reserves, but its most practical use is clearing important content like vengence 25 oddy NM fights. It may make casual farming faster, but this is content we already breeze through as is. Ultimately its up to the individual, but it's not something everyone can use, let alone use all the time in casual content.

Ya if I was making gear guides I would make most sets without hoxne but then for like high end sets have both a hoxne and without hoxne set.

I don't recommend using hoxne all the time but it is amazing as a way to boost up your dps for time limited fights on most jobs especially if you build around it.

This is bis without Hoxne

3.731s

35% slower than with Hoxne. I wouldn't use Hoxne for WHM during Limbus runs too. Unless occasionally for fun.

Telos+Goading before R30 Alabaster.

Ya and while its only 35% slower in this case also keep in mind hoxne builds also tend to do a fair amount more white damage as well, Not a big deal on jobs using ambu weapons like whm but for prime and empy builds it can be significant.

I appreciate the comment that I vastly underestimated the cost to get through limbus 30 seconds faster, and perhaps I still did despite what I'm about to write, but about 50% of any limbus run is spent running around to/from teleporters and fighting for access to the teleporter among everyone in the area.

lets say 500k to get through limbus 30 seconds faster. Still a shitty investment, and I doubt anyone who is that financially irresponsible has 500k to burn (or they are an oil tycoon who buys copious amounts of gil)

The ampulla is an amazing piece and there is no other accessory that boosts dps anywhere close to what it's capable of doing. It occupies the ammo slot, which is one of the lowest impact slots in the whole grid. And if you have the gil to throw at it, it's going to boost your damage by a LOT. I'll probably pick one up to play with at some point when the price goes down some more. But I would use it sparingly. Jakey's follow-up post to my earlier one summarizes it very well. It's not an every event thing, and it's very inefficient in its ratio of investment to return, but that's the whole point of the thing. You're burning your gil at an extreme rate to boost dps by a lot. It just needs to be used responsibly.


Make no mistake, Hoxne ampulla activates on both the main hand and offhand. For dual wielders and monk it drains 2000 gil per attack round. Dual wielders easily get in 1000 attack rounds per hour, and even 1 handed jobs are swinging five and six hundred times per hour (also procs on weaponskills so factor those in too). It WILL drain an excess of 1 million gil for a full limbus run on a dual wield job even in the fastest groups. It's an expensive piece to maintain. But if you're willing to pay the price, it's one hell of an adrenaline high.

I see both sides of the discussion. Everything everyone has said both for and against using it is valid.