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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-10-05 10:08:45
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nobody mistakes it for news, and don't pretend they do.
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What in that 8min clip was a lie?
Well Jassik, Sparth just proved you wrong.

How dishonest.

You make a claim that because it's Comedy Central the statements presented must discarded because they're coming out of the mouth of a comedian rather than a news anchor. Yet you haven't actually pointed out where Comedy Central out and out lied about anything.

The Daily Show isn't legitimate news but that doesn't mean anything in that link was a lie.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-10-05 10:43:26
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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nobody mistakes it for news, and don't pretend they do.
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What in that 8min clip was a lie?
Well Jassik, Sparth just proved you wrong.

How dishonest.

You make a claim that because it's Comedy Central the statements presented must discarded because they're coming out of the mouth of a comedian rather than a news anchor. Yet you haven't actually pointed out where Comedy Central out and out lied about anything.

The Daily Show isn't legitimate news but that doesn't mean anything in that link was a lie.
You are right, I discarded the source because of what it is. They may not outright lie, but they do present their "facts" in a very dishonest way. And the problem is, people use this source as "news." Which you did, which Zeig did too. Or at least insinuated.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-05 10:53:26
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Zeig just said it was funny..
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-05 10:55:11
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If "Fox News" is considered news, than The Daily Show is just as legitimate, hell if not more.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-10-05 12:24:21
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Hate to break it to you, but that's not a newscast. You shouldn't believe anything that comes from a channel called Comedy Central...
I presume you mean if it's not a newscast, it doesn't belong in the thread?
You can report it and have it removed if mods agree with you.
It's not that, it's that you shouldn't mistake The Daily Show as "news."

It is about as accurate as Brian Williams.
Oh, so it's that. Don't worry, I don't. Presenation matters and all. I just thought it was funny.
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By maldini 2015-10-05 12:38:11
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Comedy Central > Fox News.
Except for the women on Fox... Where do they get them from?
I'll pay way more for one of them to lie to me and tell me they love me.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-10-05 12:47:14
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-10-05 13:47:58
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.
When I was a kid we had news as documentary.

Later we had news as drama.

Now we have news as entertainment.

News as comedy is a natural outgrowth of that. News as comedy was predicted by Philip K. *** BTW.

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At least one brilliant prediction came from Philip K. ***, who wrote a few short stories in the 1960s that presaged today’s morphing of a lot of broadcast journalism into execrable infotainment. He invented a character named Jim-Jam Briskin, whose job title was “news clown” – a man who would take to the airwaves wearing greasepaint and a funny wig and, under the guise of a newscast, wisecrack about current events.
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By Jassik 2015-10-05 14:50:34
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-05 15:05:28
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Jassik said: »
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.

Is this the part where we pretend that Fox is the only biased news source in America?
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By Jassik 2015-10-05 15:07:45
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.

Is this the part where we pretend that Fox is the only biased news source in America?

No, it's the part where they are the only source that ignores facts to push their bias. Really it's just the one people mentioned.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-05 15:10:19
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Jassik said: »
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.

Is this the part where we pretend that Fox is the only biased news source in America?

No, it's the part where they are the only source that ignores facts to push their bias. Really it's just the one people mentioned.

Lol. They're the only source that does that? Sounds like you're ignoring your own facts to push your own bias.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.

Is this the part where we pretend that Fox is the only biased news source in America?

No, but it's one of the most egregious offenders and doubly so when you try to pass yourself off as "fair and balanced".

Cmon.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-10-05 15:15:48
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You think I don't know RT is biased? Or Xinhua? Or MSNBC? Or The Young Turks? Or the Christian Science Monitor? I mean seriously, you're not blowing anyones mind here.

FOX is off the charts on how biased it is pretending to be legitimate "balanced" news. You can feels all the way through the MSNBC primetime lineup and walk out knowing that they all know they're leaning left. The gooddamn slogan is "Lean Forward" afterall.
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By Drama Torama 2015-10-05 15:16:07
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You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-10-05 15:20:06
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PBS is probably one of the most balanced news programs but it's actually to the point and so most people want nothing to do with it.

Now back to you with Chris Matthews yelling down his 'guest' for 10minutes. What did I learn, you ask? That Chris Matthews changes colors.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-10-05 15:37:01
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Drama Torama said: »
You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).
Or you can read multiple sources of the same events, especially on events deemed politically charged.

Like whatever the president does.
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By Jassik 2015-10-05 15:52:05
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Damn, looks like a lot of people are mistaking "The Daily Show" for news. Go figure.

No, they're saying Fox ISN'T news.

Is this the part where we pretend that Fox is the only biased news source in America?

No, it's the part where they are the only source that ignores facts to push their bias. Really it's just the one people mentioned.

Lol. They're the only source that does that? Sounds like you're ignoring your own facts to push your own bias.

They're the only major news outlet that is shown over and over to blatantly ignore factual corrections and continue to push the same incredulous stories day after day. The stupid India trip is a great example. 4 days after every single credible source retracted the story, fox was still running with it on all its segments.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-05 21:41:51
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Drama Torama said: »
You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).

So if it's all agenda driven, why is it a valid source for information again?
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).

So if it's all agenda driven, why is it a valid source for information again?
If you agree with the agenda, then the source is automatically valid.

Didn't you learn that in partisan school?
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).

So if it's all agenda driven, why is it a valid source for information again?
If you agree with the agenda, then the source is automatically valid.

Didn't you learn that in partisan school?

I remember something about that, but I think I was hungover that day.
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By Drama Torama 2015-10-06 09:29:29
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).

So if it's all agenda driven, why is it a valid source for information again?
If you agree with the agenda, then the source is automatically valid.

Didn't you learn that in partisan school?

Who says I agree with the agenda? You don't have to agree with the jokes to find them funny.

Of course it's not a valid source of news. What it is, is a valid source of topics, which can be used to do more research on one's own, and have a laugh in the process. I don't really follow the news very closely these days for a number of reasons, but TDS was always good at giving a list of "here's some things you might want to look into".
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Drama Torama said: »
What it is, is a valid source of topics, which can be used to do more research on one's own
You know that requires effort, which most people lack.

We both know that there are people who would use The Daily Show as a source and use it as their actual source of news, even though it is highly partisan (for the sake of humor) in it's "reporting."

Those are the people who are the most misinformed.

Not saying that you follow this pattern, just making an overall statement.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-06 09:47:58
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Drama Torama said: »
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Drama Torama said: »
You know, I think I actually trust the Daily Show more than traditional outlets for this reason and this reason only: they're honest about their spin. You're never under any illusions that this is meant to be impartial or honest.

If nothing else, it gives a good starting point to reading about things more in-depth, from more reliable sources (whatever one deems those to be).

So if it's all agenda driven, why is it a valid source for information again?
If you agree with the agenda, then the source is automatically valid.

Didn't you learn that in partisan school?

Who says I agree with the agenda? You don't have to agree with the jokes to find them funny.

Of course it's not a valid source of news. What it is, is a valid source of topics, which can be used to do more research on one's own, and have a laugh in the process. I don't really follow the news very closely these days for a number of reasons, but TDS was always good at giving a list of "here's some things you might want to look into".

Ok so you agree that it's only pushing a agenda, packaging it with humor to make it palatable, but it's a good source for topics that aren't partisan and part of that agenda?

Wat?
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What's the agenda-conspiracy this time? That TDS is secretly part of the liberal agenda? Jon Stewart has never pressed any Democrats because he's in the tank!
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The Donald chickens out!!

Cirque du Trump
He was supposed to face tough questions from Hispanic business leaders in Washington on Thursday. Instead, Donald Trump went to Vegas.

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LAS VEGAS — Donald Trump had been scheduled to answer questions before the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington on Thursday.

Instead he retreated here, to his comfort zone — Cirque du Soleil’s Mystère Theatre at Treasure Island Hotel and Casino on the strip — and put on a show.

Trump mixed in his signature wisecracks and insults with a hefty dose of audience participation, asking supporters to call out the names of countries taking advantage of the United States and inviting a woman with a fire-red dye job to stand and be recognized, as he gushed, “I wish I had that hair.”

At one point, as Trump complained about the appearance of his nose on a recent People Magazine cover, a woman seated in the front row waved a copy of the magazine.

Trump pulled the woman, who identified herself as Hispanic, on stage, and the crowd of 1,600 cheered as she proclaimed her support for the Republican pack leader.

“Is this a set-up? Did I ever meet you before?” said Trump. “I never met her before. I swear.” (He did not then proceed to saw her in half.)

Though Trump’s candidacy has thrived on conflict, he pulled out of the Hispanic Chamber event last Friday, a day after POLITICO reported on the tough line of questioning the group’s leaders had planned for him there, and announced plans for a rally here.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-09 13:34:48
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What's the agenda-conspiracy this time? That TDS is secretly part of the liberal agenda? Jon Stewart has never pressed any Democrats because he's in the tank!

The daily show doesn't push an agenda?
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Trump threatens to walk, CNBC folds.

CNBC agrees to Trump demand for two-hour debate
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CNBC has agreed to limit its forthcoming Republican primary debate to two hours and allow for opening and/or closing statements, acquiescing to the demands of Donald Trump and other GOP campaigns, CNN has confirmed.

The Republican National Committee began calling the campaigns on Friday morning to inform them that CNBC had agreed in principal to limit the debate to two hours, including commercials, and to allow for opening and/or closing statements, according to two sources with knowledge of the decision.

"They said those conditions are 'all but certain'," as they still needed all the campaigns to sign off on the new format, a source with one of the campaigns told CNN.

RNC spokesperson Sean Spicer told CNN, "We are having an ongoing conversation with CNBC and the candidates" and that the final format should be determined soon.

The move comes after Trump and Ben Carson threatened to pull out of the faceoff in Boulder, Colorado, if the hosts didn't agree to their demands.

In a letter to CNBC, the two candidates said they would not participate "if it is longer than 120 minutes, including commercials, and does not include opening and closing statements."
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Donald Trump maintains lead over GOP field: NBC-WSJ poll

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Donald Trump hasn't fallen yet in the 2016 Republican presidential race.

The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows the billionaire real estate mogul still leading all GOP rivals with 25 percent of the vote. In September, he drew 21 percent. That change falls within 4.9 percent margin for error in the survey of 400 Republican primary voters.

As in September, the October poll showed former neurosurgeon Ben Carson in second place with 22 percent. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida ranked third with 13 percent, ahead of Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas with 9 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush with 8 percent. Trailing behind were former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina with 7 percent, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Ohio Gov. John Kasich with 3 percent, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky with 2 percent and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie with 1 percent.

When considering the various candidates' potential for expanding their support, the poll tells a different story. When Republican voters are asked to name their second choice in the race, 22 percent name Carson, compared with 14 percent for Trump, 13 percent for Rubio and 10 percent for Fiorina.

Thus if candidates are ranked by the combination of voters naming them either first or second, Carson draws 44 percent to Trump's 39 percent, Rubio's 26 percent and Fiorina's 18 percent.

Using another measure, 74 percent of all Republican voters allow for the possibility that they could support Carson. Some 65 percent say the same of Rubio, 59 percent of Trump, 56 percent of Fiorina and 51 percent for Bush.

At a time of turmoil in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, some 63 percent of GOP primary voters say they'd feel "comfortable and positive" if Ways and Means Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin took over as speaker. The current speaker, John Boehner, has announced he'll leave the job soon amid opposition from conservative hard-liners. Those hard-liners also forced majority leader Kevin McCarthy of California to abandon his bid for the speakership.

Some 28 percent of Republicans said they'd feel "skeptical and uncertain" about Ryan holding the top job in the House. Ryan, the party's 2012 vice-presidential nominee, has not said whether he'll seek the speakership.
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Rubio is right where he wants to be when Jeb drops out and all of his people and money go to him.
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