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Appeals court rules w/ states over Obama immigrati
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 10:15:41
Yes, let's start an armed conflict where the battlegrounds will be in California and Texas (mostly).
I'm all for erasing California, but not Texas. We already have our own border patrol agents getting shot/killed by the Mexican Mafia, we don't need to include the Mexican Army killing them too....
pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. Mexico is literally next door to me. Even though I don't see it (I never go to the Valley for this very reason), I do hear about the gruesome murders committed by the Mexican Mafia against people (usually their own drug dealers, but innocents get involved often). If the Mafia doesn't have the same respect for life, why should the Mexican Army?
You don't *** with Mexicans. Period.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 10:21:25
KN I've got an AR-15, I'll come down with a few gallons of homebrew and we'll scare them off with it's "assault" presence.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-28 10:36:46
So that's why Texas is considered hostile territory to the federal government.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 11:03:51
KN I've got an AR-15, I'll come down with a few gallons of homebrew and we'll scare them off with it's "assault" presence. This is not the Alamo....
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-05-28 11:36:16
Yes, let's start an armed conflict where the battlegrounds will be in California and Texas (mostly).
I'm all for erasing California, but not Texas. We already have our own border patrol agents getting shot/killed by the Mexican Mafia, we don't need to include the Mexican Army killing them too....
pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. What if one of those immigrants was prego? Wouldn't that be murder?
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By Yomi Kaenbu 2015-05-28 11:37:04
Rule number one if you ever do anything against any kind of criminal activity.
Ensure they have no way to identify you, you do not leave any identifying evidence, you leave immediately and do not drive immediately to your home or a loved one's home.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-05-28 12:11:06
Yes, let's start an armed conflict where the battlegrounds will be in California and Texas (mostly).
I'm all for erasing California, but not Texas. We already have our own border patrol agents getting shot/killed by the Mexican Mafia, we don't need to include the Mexican Army killing them too....
pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. What if one of those immigrants was prego? Wouldn't that be murder?
/sigh. I find myself using that image more and more lately....
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 12:37:14
Yes, let's start an armed conflict where the battlegrounds will be in California and Texas (mostly).
I'm all for erasing California, but not Texas. We already have our own border patrol agents getting shot/killed by the Mexican Mafia, we don't need to include the Mexican Army killing them too....
pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. What if one of those immigrants was prego? Wouldn't that be murder? More like a casualty of the mexican invasion force.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 13:08:57
Yes, let's start an armed conflict where the battlegrounds will be in California and Texas (mostly).
I'm all for erasing California, but not Texas. We already have our own border patrol agents getting shot/killed by the Mexican Mafia, we don't need to include the Mexican Army killing them too....
pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. What if one of those immigrants was prego? Wouldn't that be murder? More like a casualty of the mexican invasion force. On behalf of every single border state (including those who border Canada), I give you this message:
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 13:16:53
KN, I pray you become a father one day. Maybe then you'll learn that caving to the tantrums of children rarely does anything but embolden them.
Clearly the only reason you would want to enforce a countries border is because you have to be a xenophobe? Could you be anymore *** stupid?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-28 13:21:03
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 13:32:17
Look, I live in San Antonio, that's no secret.
I live in an area where you have to watch out for illegal immigrants when you hire an employee, where the I-9 form is actually enforced (and audits happen regularly, even in the professional level), not handed to you as a guideline, where border patrol agents are actually on the street (not so much in SA, but anywhere south of IH10, they are everywhere), where there are multiple reports of deaths by crossings because they either died in the middle of a field, got crushed in the back of a big rig, or got murdered by xenophobes like you.
I also see how these people work harder than most anyone else who is a legal citizen, who do the jobs nobody else wants to do, and who are just as nice to everyone else, nicer to those who aren't, and who are generally good people trying to survive.
What you are proposing is not only detrimental to the nation as a whole, but also agnostic to the rest of the global community. We already have a bad rep, let's not make it any worse, k?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-05-28 14:17:27
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-28 14:22:37
Oh dear... try not to resort to the liberal style of name calling as an argument.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 14:23:29
Look, I live in San Antonio, that's no secret.
I live in an area where you have to watch out for illegal immigrants when you hire an employee, where the I-9 form is actually enforced (and audits happen regularly, even in the professional level), not handed to you as a guideline, where border patrol agents are actually on the street (not so much in SA, but anywhere south of IH10, they are everywhere), where there are multiple reports of deaths by crossings because they either died in the middle of a field, got crushed in the back of a big rig, or got murdered by xenophobes like you.
I also see how these people work harder than most anyone else who is a legal citizen, who do the jobs nobody else wants to do, and who are just as nice to everyone else, nicer to those who aren't, and who are generally good people trying to survive.
What you are proposing is not only detrimental to the nation as a whole, but also agnostic to the rest of the global community. We already have a bad rep, let's not make it any worse, k?
With 93 million working age people not working but still eating, the last thing we need in more low skilled workers to dilute the pool. This point couldn't be anymore obvious. Our culture needs to solidify, and it is not going to do that with millions of criminals (by the act of illegally immigrating) as well as hardened criminals pouring across the borders.
Let's not do things for the feelz m'kay?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 14:24:22
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people. When you can't argue against what your opponent said, pretend he said something else.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-28 14:26:16
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people. When you can't argue against what your opponent said, pretend he said something else. What were you saying then?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-05-28 14:32:19
They must be Nerf rockets then.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 14:35:58
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people. When you can't argue against what your opponent said, pretend he said something else. What were you saying then?
I said we should cap immigration for a decade. But I guess it must be because I have an unreasoned fear of anything "foreign". Are you really so ignorant that you can't posit any other reason to cap immigration but xenophobia or are you of some exceptional degree of smugness that you are "willfully ignorant"?
I guess you could just hate America too.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 14:45:19
Look, I live in San Antonio, that's no secret.
I live in an area where you have to watch out for illegal immigrants when you hire an employee, where the I-9 form is actually enforced (and audits happen regularly, even in the professional level), not handed to you as a guideline, where border patrol agents are actually on the street (not so much in SA, but anywhere south of IH10, they are everywhere), where there are multiple reports of deaths by crossings because they either died in the middle of a field, got crushed in the back of a big rig, or got murdered by xenophobes like you.
I also see how these people work harder than most anyone else who is a legal citizen, who do the jobs nobody else wants to do, and who are just as nice to everyone else, nicer to those who aren't, and who are generally good people trying to survive.
What you are proposing is not only detrimental to the nation as a whole, but also agnostic to the rest of the global community. We already have a bad rep, let's not make it any worse, k?
With 93 million working age people not working but still eating, the last thing we need in more low skilled workers to dilute the pool. This point couldn't be anymore obvious. Our culture needs to solidify, and it is not going to do that with millions of criminals (by the act of illegally immigrating) as well as hardened criminals pouring across the borders.
Let's not do things for the feelz m'kay? Look, I agree with you, the solution for our unemployment problem isn't to create more unemployed people, but in all honesty, these jobs are open for legal citizens too.
Yes, some employers (mostly individuals and very small (1-10 employees generally) businesses) will hire illegals and pay them under the table. I get that, they get busted every day, and rightly so.
But to close the borders themselves? You know how much that's going to hurt the economy? Not just trade, but production too (many of our "illegals" are on the path of citizenship, and are still in the process of getting their citizenship, so they are "legal by time"). Should these people be deported also?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-28 14:49:11
I said we should cap immigration for a decade. We already have caps on immigration.
There are so many visas issued by the DHS every year, and those are filled up very quickly. There is a very long nationalization process also, which requires multiple hoops to go through to be a national citizen.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 14:51:05
We already have caps on immigration. oh ***we must all be xenophobes!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-28 14:56:47
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people. When you can't argue against what your opponent said, pretend he said something else. What were you saying then?
I said we should cap immigration for a decade. But I guess it must be because I have an unreasoned fear of anything "foreign". Are you really so ignorant that you can't posit any other reason to cap immigration but xenophobia or are you of some exceptional degree of smugness that you are "willfully ignorant"?
I guess you could just hate America too.It's more that you even bother to say ***like this after your argument is countered and found to have no real standing because you know capping immigration does nothing to stem illegal immigration...
Well it goes without saying (i thought) that we should secure the border.
*** we got all these left over drones right? Arm em up, send em flying and fire rockets at the fools crossing the border. pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. KN I've got an AR-15, I'll come down with a few gallons of homebrew and we'll scare them off with it's "assault" presence. I mean... KN is the one disagreeing with you the most here...
This was his reply to you
We get it, you are a xenophobe. You don't have to keep saying you are
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 14:59:17
He's not a xenophobe, guys. He's just advocating for the indiscriminate murder of "those" people. When you can't argue against what your opponent said, pretend he said something else. What were you saying then?
I said we should cap immigration for a decade. But I guess it must be because I have an unreasoned fear of anything "foreign". Are you really so ignorant that you can't posit any other reason to cap immigration but xenophobia or are you of some exceptional degree of smugness that you are "willfully ignorant"?
I guess you could just hate America too.It's more that you even bother to say ***like this after your argument is countered and found to have no real standing because you know capping immigration does nothing to stem illegal immigration...
Well it goes without saying (i thought) that we should secure the border.
*** we got all these left over drones right? Arm em up, send em flying and fire rockets at the fools crossing the border. pfft, armed conflict? we can just declare the first 5 miles inside Mexico to be no man's land. If anyone steps foot inside that zone we turn em into cinders.
What are you concerned about coming out of Mexico? I mean I know the war on poverty isn't going so well, but trust me this new way to fight it is going to be revolutionary. KN I've got an AR-15, I'll come down with a few gallons of homebrew and we'll scare them off with it's "assault" presence. I mean... KN is the one disagreeing with you the most here... Oh right, I forgot you have no sense of humor.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-28 15:01:58
Oh right, I forgot you have no sense of humor. Or you're just not funny.
In any case you're given answer that we should cap immigration is just stupid... I wouldn't call you a xenophobe for that though.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-28 15:09:58
Oh right, I forgot you have no sense of humor. Or you're just not funny.
In any case you're given answer that we should cap immigration is just stupid... I wouldn't call you a xenophobe for that though. No, I'm quite funny.
By Jetackuu 2015-05-28 16:27:04
Dear god I come back into P/R and all I can look at is the same *** people fighting over the same ***.
Get real people, Obama abused his power, and the other branches of our government had the right to repeal it. It's a democracy, not a dictatorship.
It's funny really, Obama isn't the president to use the executive power most, in fact he's used it the least in the last century
In the context of the subject: no, he didn't.
It's also not a democracy, it's a republic.
As for your first line: yes, and you participate in it too.
Edit: I was wrong, turns out the US is a Constitutional Republic, but still we retain many features of democracy and now you know.
want to know one of the major differences, at least in my book?
Quote: Appeals court rules with states challenging Obama's immigration action
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday in favor of 26 states challenging President Barack Obama's executive action on immigration, potentially paving the way for a Supreme Court decision on the issue.
Two judges on the three-judge panel ruled that the executive action, which would grant an estimated 4.7 million undocumented immigrants relief from deportation, should remain on hold while the government appeals its blocking.
The immigration order was first put on hold by Texas Judge Andrew Hanen in February after the states, all led by Republican governors, alleged that taking in migrants would be overly burdensome.
"The President’s attempt to bypass the will of the American people was successfully checked again today," Texas Governor Greg Abbott said in a news release.
The case has become the focal point of Obama's efforts to change U.S. immigration policy.
Seeing no progress on legislative reform in Congress, Obama announced in November he would take executive action to help immigrants. He has since faced criticism from Republicans who say the program grants amnesty to lawbreakers.
The White House said the two judges who ruled against the administration on Tuesday chose to "misinterpret the facts and the law."
"The president's actions... are squarely within the bounds of his authority and they are the right thing to do for the country," White House spokeswoman Brandi Hoffine said.
The Justice Department is evaluating the ruling and considering next steps, a U.S. official said on the condition of anonymity.
The 5th Circuit will rule again in the coming months on whether the Obama administration can appeal the block to the executive order. That decision may be made by a new panel of judges and will take into account more evidence.
Immigration advocates have been wary of the prospect that the 5th Circuit, known as one of the most conservative in the nation, would rule with the administration.
"We are disappointed, but this is not unexpected at all," Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center, said on a conference call with reporters.
Hincapie said the immigration advocate community is still optimistic the executive order will prevail, even if it means waiting until the Supreme Court can rule on it.
ELECTION RAMIFICATIONS
If it is denied an appeal, the Obama administration may ask the Supreme Court to consider the case, potentially delaying the launch of the immigration programs until June 2016.
That could bring up the issue at a politically important time, said Marshall Fitz, vice president of immigration policy at left-leaning Washington think tank Center for American Progress.
"If the programs go into effect next June, there will be real electoral consequences," Fitz said. "There is a clear contrast between (Democratic front-runner Hillary) Clinton and any Republican in the current field."
Clinton has said she would like to see Obama's action expanded to shield even more immigrants from deportation.
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