Fencer Builds

For savage blade, would Lustratio leggins +1(+47Str,+48Dex) be better then Sulevia's leggings +1 (Str 26, acc +36, Att +40 WSD +6%)?

Savage Blade is 50% STR and 50% MND. So Lustratio is giving you 23.5 DMG from stat bonus, Sulev. has 26STR and 15MND, so it's giving 13 and 7.5, or 20.5DMG. If you are using more than one piece of Lustratio +1, you get 2% WSD per piece. So basically it's 23.5DMG and 2%WSD(maybe) vs 20.5DMG and 6%WSD.

The biggest thing to consider for Lustration vs Sulevia is how Lustratio modifies your fStr, though I am not sure on any target where that becomes meaningful, if you would be getting enough acc from the piece.

TLDR: Sulevia is almost always going to be better.

Thanks for the reply

The stats look pretty meh for physical DD. But for Cloud Splitter in general it looks like a neat option.


NQ is TP Bonus+100

The NQ is sold for 100k at the Weapon shop in upper jeuno.

As for the upgrade I'm wondering if it's done through Oboro.

I would go beyond it being a neat option, and I would say that it's the second best axe for Cloudsplitter, next to only an Afterglow'd Farsha.

Here's the thing, Kumb is going to do more damage probably due to actually having MAB and being able to stat more dStats. BUT!!!

A. The Tp bonus really help out newer WARs hit the 2ktp spot where damage starts to drop off a bit from additional TP.
B. Even after you hit job master, more TP might not produce as dramatic of results as it does from the 1k-2k range, but it's nothing to scoff at.
C. It has accuracy. This is the biggest killer for Kumb to me. If you want MAB, you have to sacrifice accuracy from snow and dex from dusk.
D. No dicking with random augments. This thing is cheap as hell to craft, it shouldn't really go for more than 10mil for the first handful that go out, then it ought to drop to 5mil. On my server right now, the materials for 12 synths costs 960k if you bought EVERYTHING, and that's with Electrum being massively overpriced and under produced. It's also a 102 skill synth, so it's not THAT crazy to HQ.

If you don't have Farsha AG or a REALLY well augmented Kumb, get this for Cloudsplitter. I mostly use Cloudsplitter in CP parties for closing a Double Darkness. It's a really good axe for a CP party. The more accuracy you can get on your weapon, the more DA/STP you can wear in other slots.

Currently I have STR+12, DEX+12, MATK+15 augmented on my CS Kumb.

The bad thing about the attributes is sacrificing the base damage. The delay can also be a double edged sword. On the plus side you can 8 hit it /SAM and even 7 Hit it depending on your gear.

The only time I really get to DD is when I'm soloing apex monsters. Usually in an apex party set up I'm tanking /NIN and spamming Sanguine Blade so I don't mess up a skillchain.

My macbain cost me a small fortune, I really had doing Skirmish augments.

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where can I get better Odyssean legs? what about rings? Feel like im leaving some on the table here using my BLM rings

Hey Toralin,

I use that cape from Incursion, I can't think of the name but it has MAB +12 or +13 and either Attack or Acc (I think Attack) + that as well. I haven't updated my set in a while and there could be something even better now.

As for rings, those are what I use too.

Hope this helps a bit.

yeah an ambuscade cape would be better but for all intensive purposes im always in CP mantle if im using cloudsplitter. so back is kind of moot. I got +25MAB and +9 STR on Oddysean legs

I'm jealous that you guys have had the proper party set up for cloud splitter.

A majority of the time I spent CPing was either.

-Tanking like a PLD spamming Sanguine Blade so I don't interrupt the skillchain. (this was early on)

-Tanking with Retaliation up and Self SCing Double Light (Upheaval->Ukkos-Ukkos.) Seriously give this a try. It's way faster than relying on a BST or a SCH to Skillchain.

You need a healer, but it also gives WHM friends a chance to get CP. I did this on Crab/Jagil and it went fast.

I've been doing some parsing though, and my fencer builds end up losing to WAR/SAM with GAXE or GSWORD. I was keeping up with Afterglow Tizona/Afterglow Mandau&Twashtar. But the TP gain with 1 handed weapons was just too slow without dual wield. YMMV

I tell you what though, It's a hell of a motivator to afterglow my Ragnarok now. I'm going to be crushing things once that is done.

The main plus with using a fencer build is extra survival, and higher weapon skill numbers to make up for the lower tp gain.

In my Shield PDT Set I'm at 523 Shield Skill, and +14% Block Rate. Not too shabby.

Here is my TP Set:
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Cloudsplitter
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Augments:
Hands-VIT+3 INT+4 Acc+18, Attack+18, MACC+19, MATK+19, WSDMG+4%
Feet-VIT+1 MACC+20/MATK+20 TH+2 PET:PHYS DMG-2%(WTF?)

With this months ambuscade being weak to blunt, I was interested in seeing some Judgement sets if anyone has put one together? Assuming WSD and STR is the way to go?

I'll post later but ~25K average so far, very nice.

Judgment

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Everything is augmented with +WSD

If your going to do Abyssea and absolutely want to use just swords, then go /NIN and use Vorpal Blade with Raised Ruin. Fencer builds are slow to build TP but have big WS's from Savage, Mistral and Cloud Splitter. Great Axe using Raging Rush or eventually Ukko's would be your best options.

If you're at level 75, mainhand martial and offhand ridill for savage blade

savage got buffed when they rehauled a lot of the ws

Bigblue join my linkshell, we do level 75 stuff on Asura!

Sulevia feet +2 yes or no? could also use for torcleaver?

I've upgraded the feet for one hit WS's and for Upheaval at 2K TP.

Hey all,

Been getting back into war fencer builds.. with tanky gear war has access to i'm really enjoying going from a solid defence build to unleashing a warcry savagery savage blade!

Any improvements on this savage set?

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Mantle STR, WSD
Odyssean WSD,STR Acc/att

I have 8% WSD 15acc/att valorous legs as well, which might beat boii even at 1k tp spam?

Anyone ever work out if Farsha AM3 + Mistral spam beats Reikiko + savage spam? (looking at you Saevel!)

Only adjustment worth considering would be Agoge Mufflers +3

They are, the legs only give 100 TP Bonus which isn't worth much when you already have over 1000.

8% WSD augment on valorous legs? I want to cry..... highest I’ve gotten in any piece is 4% with some nice atk/acc Gosh SE hates me

Those are DM augments, so can be crazy bad or crazy good. Typically you'd have WSD 4~5, some acc and hopefully some STR.

Is the thought still that the slower TP generation you get from using shield (instead of dual wielding) is more than offset by the +50 TP bonus you get?

It's +830 TP Bonus +11% Crit Rate.

And the slower TP gain really hurts that build for pure DPS.

448 + 256 = 704/1024 = 68.75% Haste or better displayed as ((1024-704)/1024) = 31.25% Attack Delay.

Compared to anything with Hasso
448 + 256 + 102 = 806/1024 = 78.71% Haste = 21.28% Attack Delay

31.25/21.28 = 46.8% faster attack speed.

It's how ridiculously powerful Haste becomes are high values. Even adding /DNC for the 5% Haste Samba leaves fencer builds behind while also losing the 15 Store TP from /SAM. If you can get a DNC main in the same party, then Fencer builds become really silly to watch.

I've been looking more into fencer builds as of lately and I was curious -- If you have an STP-Roll from a COR, would /DRK be more viable compared to /SAM due to the JA-Haste you'd get off of LR?
Actually wouldn't /DRK just be better in general even neglecting the idea of the STP-Roll?