Note to whomever wants to go for generic melee linos, on the snow slot keep in mind that there are 3 different categories
+Acc (caps at 20)
+Att (caps at 20)
+Att/Acc (caps at 15)
The combined one is extremely rare in general, not just the capped version.
I've seen it less than 5 times over several thousands of snowstones (mostly +2s, but some +1 stacks as well)
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Asura.Dexprozius said: » I think its easy enough to cap out waltz potency without a Linos? Show me. Unless you're including Gleti's Knife in the Offhand or multiple Chironic (Dark Matter) Waltz Potency pieces, I couldn't hit 50% without one. Also, Linos has an attribute slot as well, so you can add CHR to it also for a little higher potency. I made the below set when I got a Waltz Potency +10% Chironic Doublet augment from DM campaign. Figured since I almost never sub NIN anymore, I may as well have a set to backup support heals/erases/steps. ItemSet 398072 Unless I'm missing something, BRD can only hit 43% without Linos using 4/5 Telchine 5% potency pieces, unless you use Gleti's Knife like I mentioned. How's prime dagger for bard? People sticking to carn and naegling?
tallica said: » How's prime dagger for bard? People sticking to carn and naegling? It's nice to not have to get am3 up. I prefer prime for short fights like sheol c. It's also nice for soloing, since you can 3-step with all good WS instead of mixing in trash like evisceration. Definitely not essential for brd, but can see some use. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Asura.Dexprozius said: » I think its easy enough to cap out waltz potency without a Linos? Show me. Unless you're including Gleti's Knife in the Offhand or multiple Chironic (Dark Matter) Waltz Potency pieces, I couldn't hit 50% without one. Also, Linos has an attribute slot as well, so you can add CHR to it also for a little higher potency. I made the below set when I got a Waltz Potency +10% Chironic Doublet augment from DM campaign. Figured since I almost never sub NIN anymore, I may as well have a set to backup support heals/erases/steps. ItemSet 398072 Unless I'm missing something, BRD can only hit 43% without Linos using 4/5 Telchine 5% potency pieces, unless you use Gleti's Knife like I mentioned. To be fair, I had assumed you could +11 Fern stone the Chironic set, but I didnt realize it was exclusive to Herc gear. My mistake... But yeah Just dark matter dummy :) Asura.Sechs said: » Note to whomever wants to go for generic melee linos, on the snow slot keep in mind that there are 3 different categories +Acc (caps at 20) +Att (caps at 20) +Att/Acc (caps at 15) The combined one is extremely rare in general, not just the capped version. I've seen it less than 5 times over several thousands of snowstones (mostly +2s, but some +1 stacks as well) In 75 +2's i've gotten a 12/12, a 13/13, and a 15/15 on the attk/acc, but have yet to get any individual acc or atk over 15 :( I've seen at least 3 +20, two were acc and one was att.
I've seen aplenty of stuff between <20 and >15 on single acc or att though. Consider that I'm talking about literally thousands of stones, it's not an exxageration, I think it should be around 2300ish stones but it's realistically even higher, 2304 is where I lost track. im doing a stack now, got like 25 left, and got a 15/15 acc/atk combined lol, 3 total combined still no acc or atk over 15
Asura.Sechs said: » I've seen at least 3 +20, two were acc and one was att. I've seen aplenty of stuff between >20 and >15 on single acc or att though. Consider that I'm talking about literally thousands of stones, it's not an exxageration, I think it should be around 2300ish stones but it's realistically even higher, 2304 is where I lost track. After 99 stones final count for me. 11acc/11atk - 1 12acc/12atk - 1 13acc/13atk - 1 15acc/15atk - 1 15 acc - 7 17 acc - 1 15 atk - 6 either i have good or ***luck, idk which lmao ended up just doing 15/15 on my tp one and 13/13 on my wsd one I'd keep the 15 combined!
I kinda regret not settling for the acc+20 aug when I got it not once but twice, but oh well, can't change the past. Yep, got it on my tp one so keeping it, figure 15 atk worth not bothering trying for another 5 acc
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[51 days between previous and next post]Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I hadn't run it through the sim but your post made me curious so I did the same, our results are fairly similar but also considering what I mentioned above about the PITA of re-apply Haste Samba, I stand by my opinion. My set, /NIN: 10418 DPS Your set, /DNC, No samba: 10008 DPS Your set, /DNC, Samba: 11402 DPS AKA if you're not going to use Samba, /DNC and your set is worse. I prefer not to use Samba in most content because it's obnoxious and the timing is terrible in real-life, not represented by the sim (does it even include the JA forced wait?) and it's very difficult to practically simulate Haste Samba wearing off right at the end of a mob/pack, or putting samba up to fight 2 mobs, then walk for 30 seconds. Other things like what if you finish a mob with a WS, then haste samba wears off? You need to start the next mob, hit it for 1-2 attack rounds, then either interrupt your auto-attacks to put samba back up or wait until 1350+ TP and then Samba before your WS, which means you're well under delay cap for that entire mob. There are a lot of very frustrating aspects of keeping Haste Samba up on /DNC, none of which show up in a sim. so based off this your saying Nayme legs/feet prase better than volte legs/feet? meylee said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I hadn't run it through the sim but your post made me curious so I did the same, our results are fairly similar but also considering what I mentioned above about the PITA of re-apply Haste Samba, I stand by my opinion. My set, /NIN: 10418 DPS Your set, /DNC, No samba: 10008 DPS Your set, /DNC, Samba: 11402 DPS AKA if you're not going to use Samba, /DNC and your set is worse. I prefer not to use Samba in most content because it's obnoxious and the timing is terrible in real-life, not represented by the sim (does it even include the JA forced wait?) and it's very difficult to practically simulate Haste Samba wearing off right at the end of a mob/pack, or putting samba up to fight 2 mobs, then walk for 30 seconds. Other things like what if you finish a mob with a WS, then haste samba wears off? You need to start the next mob, hit it for 1-2 attack rounds, then either interrupt your auto-attacks to put samba back up or wait until 1350+ TP and then Samba before your WS, which means you're well under delay cap for that entire mob. There are a lot of very frustrating aspects of keeping Haste Samba up on /DNC, none of which show up in a sim. so based off this your saying Nayme legs/feet prase better than volte legs/feet? This question is a bit misleading. Nyame Legs/Feet won't cap attack speed unless you're using a haste belt (or instrument, or ring) so...it depends on a lot of factors. If you don't have a haste Linos or the TVR haste ring, in order to wear Nyame legs you have to be wearing a haste belt. If you're wearing a haste belt and dual-wielding, then you want to put DW in earrings or back piece. At the end of the day, the differences between these sets are pretty minimal. Make sure you have capped equipment haste, make sure you have enough DW for your subjob, and then pick DA/STP to your liking. I personally prefer STP because it doesn't experience diminishing returns, handles AM3 well, etc. If you want to stack a bunch of DA instead that's fine too, it's within a couple % either way. |
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