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Ninja Equipment Sets (April 2015)
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By Cerberus.Kaeviathan 2015-08-06 10:54:02
I've done some testing with self SC+MB and it does some good dmg. If you have a high magic acc vs the target, you could able to do around the triple dmg that you can do on a ws.
But that is assuming you use Futae.
By Creecreelo 2015-08-06 12:20:28
Got an Ochu while spamming the new SoA fight.
Augments were: Dmg+15 Str+10 Dex+10 Ninjutsu skill+10
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Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-08-06 13:28:52
Got an Ochu while spamming the new SoA fight.
Augments were: Dmg+15 Str+10 Dex+10 Ninjutsu skill+10
Wow, that's pretty damn nice with those augs. Less DMG than a max Izuna but slightly less delay, but those attributes! Wouldn't be surprised if that beats an excellent Izuna mainhand thanks to the stronger WS mods. At the very least, in the top handful of katanas (and RME katanas die a little more).
Not to mention R.Acc for Daken helps a bit and isn't something people would have on an Izuna. Magic stats are gravy, allowing you to actually maybe get some decent MB in while still using a legit DD katana.
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Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-06 15:06:20
Got an Ochu while spamming the new SoA fight.
Augments were: Dmg+15 Str+10 Dex+10 Ninjutsu skill+10 Which fight exactly?
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-06 15:29:08
Ochu comes from Sinister Reign iir
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-06 15:30:46
Wow, that's pretty damn nice with those augs. Less DMG than a max Izuna but slightly less delay, but those attributes! Wouldn't be surprised if that beats an excellent Izuna mainhand thanks to the stronger WS mods. Raicho+1 is already better/on-par with PerfAug Izuna.
Ochu with good augments seems even better though, altough I'm going on a hunch here, haven't mathed it out.
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Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-06 15:32:41
Ochu comes from Sinister Reign iir Ochu is not listed amongst Nolan's wpns to aug. Confused.
Edit: Overlooked these too btw.
Bismarck.Gippali
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By Bismarck.Gippali 2015-08-06 15:36:15
Sounds like its base item with random aug's, similar to abby box weapons. I could be wrong though.
Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-08-06 15:46:51
Edit: Overlooked these too btw.
Yeah, good freaking luck getting +1 neo-Khepri hands. They look nice, but that crafting system...
Nagi comes from Sinister Reign, as do Samnuha Coat and Samnuha Tights. Both of those also come with pre-augmented (random?) augments.
Tights in particular look interesting. Augments reported: STR+8 DEX+9 DA+3% TA+2%. I'd be all over some DEX+15 tights with DA/TA/Acc/good STR - fantastic Shun piece.
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-06 16:07:27
Ochu comes from Sinister Reign iir Ochu is not listed amongst Nolan's wpns to aug. Confused.
Edit: Overlooked these too btw. Shadowlina reported it dropping from Sinister reign HERE.
She could be confused of course, I'm just going by what she said.
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By Cerberus.Kaeviathan 2015-08-06 17:08:01
Oh damn, these things are augmented as well?
NIIIICE....WAIT! Do these augment somehow involve investing gil?
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-08-06 17:41:29
Cerberus.Kaeviathan said: »Oh damn, these things are augmented as well?
NIIIICE....WAIT! Do these augment somehow involve investing gil?
They drop pre-augmented, a la JSE capes when they come out of Incursion coffers.
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-07 04:08:06
Can someone test Ochu with the best Augments that were found so far?
Imho it should be better than Raicho +1, much better, but in the few tests I've performed it comes really close (1/0.5 dps difference).
I'd love to see more detailed tests if someone can be bothered with those. It seems too strange to me that it's this close to Raicho+1.
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-07 11:21:52
— [Aug 2015 BEST Katana]—
Set DPS: Code
Nagi / Izuna — 1469.691
Izuna / Izuna — 1412.023
Ochu / Izuna — 1411.374
Raicho+1 / Izuna — 1397.166
*Izuna Dmg+17, Acc/Att+15, CritDmg+5 main
**Izuna STR/AGI+15, Acc/Att+15, CritDmg+5 sub
Set DPS: Code
Nagi / Ochu — 1439.417
Izuna / Ochu — 1404.141
Ochu / Ochu — 1388.190
Raicho+1 / Ochu — 1382.398
*Izuna Dmg+17, Acc/Att+15, CritDmg+5 main
Set DPS: Code
Nagi / Raicho+1 — 1440.476
Izuna / Raicho+1 — 1401.527
Ochu / Raicho+1 — 1398.145
*Izuna Dmg+17, Acc/Att+15, CritDmg+5 main
Also btw: I stick w/ Kujaku+1 over all sub. Vs Sinister Reign, in max acc set, I couldn't self-SC using Izuna/Kujaku+1 but w/ Nagi combination AM3 + OAT i could. So eventho it's not amongst the "Best" in spreads. It's still BiS imo vs highest evasion targets regardless.Code
Nagi / Achiuchikapu — 1412.600
Izuna / Achiuchikapu — 1379.575
Ochu / Achiuchikapu — 1387.346
Raicho+1 / Achiuchikapu — 1376.308
*Izuna Dmg+17, Acc/Att+15, CritDmg+5 main
Correction: Non-Mythic wpns are closer Set DPS then I listed. Was lazy and swapped wpns around not tp sets. 10~20 more DPS subracting STP for Double Attack.
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Odin.Nappy
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By Odin.Nappy 2015-08-07 12:10:41
How does Achiuchikapu do for an off-hand?
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-07 12:12:25
How does Achiuchikapu do for an off-hand? I'll add to my last post. Done.
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By Odin.Nappy 2015-08-07 12:14:35
Thanks!
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By Cerberus.Kaeviathan 2015-08-07 12:49:30
Nice, Ochu is not Rare/Ex
Odin.Nappy
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By Odin.Nappy 2015-08-07 13:04:27
should be EX when augmented
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Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-07 15:34:44
NIN+PLD is probly the best combo now since SE fixed emnity and Innin w/ Yain: Ichi. Just thought I'd mention. When we needed UC items for Escha t2 zi tah. We did Borealis Shadow trio PLD+NIN+whatever mage and rest Trusts.
Other than PLD+RNG maybe, i don't think even PLD+THF is better than a PLD w/ NIN. I'm sure ppl have been using w/o saying. Just sayin for those who haven't been.
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By Fenrir.Sathicus 2015-08-08 01:19:50
Figured you guys would appreciate this. Did it pretty much as a joke, now I think I have new Blade: Hi feet. Path D ftw.
A: ACC10 ATT10 EVA15
B: STR10 DEX10 ATT15
C: Pet: (HP100 ACC15 DT-3%)
D: HP50 Crit Rate 3 DA2
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-09 04:22:29
Yeah, good freaking luck getting +1 Fair enough but even NQ is better and that's not including unknown augs.
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-09 04:43:42
Those feet path D should work nicely for MNK and PUP As well for Vsmite and STringing Pummel.
Not sure if the best, but they surely going to work nice at least.
For NIN there are also the new Loyalist's Sabatons which with perfect augments are a nice option for WS and TP.
Check em.
And Ta'lar Trousers too are a decent sidegrade, altough for TP they're probably under Samnuha and for WS they're probably under perf augs Taeon. (for Blade: Hi of course, because for Shun Samnuha are better).
Ta'lar are worse than both probably, but at the same time they don't suck in either role (with perf augs, of course)
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-09 13:35:43
— Abnoba > Enforcers by 110+ pts and Taeon by 290+ pts WSD. Hope it's not as impossible to get.
— Ryuo NQ > Taeon by 320+ pts WSD
— Samnuha > Taeon by 39pts Set DPS
— Damp. Tam > Skormoth by 1pt Set DPS but Acc/Racc far superior
— NQ Adhemar < Taeon by 5pts but rather stack STP over Attack. WS faster w/ more tp overflow.
Correction: NQ Adhemar > Taeon by 27pts Set DPS
— NQ Adhemar does beat Damp. Tam by 12pts Set DPS as well.
Can't wait to see more hexed augs!
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By Cerberus.Kaeviathan 2015-08-10 09:15:58
OP is updated.
By Lilmartio 2015-08-10 15:33:33
By any chance does anyone have an up to date spreadsheet?
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By Cerberus.Kaeviathan 2015-08-10 17:53:40
Got to revise the sets once again, but some other time. Just started playing.
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-21 02:01:38
Best I could find for Shun when Day/Time permits.
ItemSet 337263
Rao Path:B
Adhemar Path:A (eventho Path:B better [Max Acc TP Set]
Am I missing anything?
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-08-21 04:02:02
Hmm, a lot of this gear wasn't available in April 2015 though..
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Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2015-08-21 04:31:00
Did you test with Lilitu Headpiece? (perfect augments).
Granted that it has no accuracy, but it's a nice piece.
Gavialis is a pretty decent option for Shun even without the correct Day.
When I tested (very quickly) my tier order for Shun was
Lilitu (Perf) > Gavialis (day) > Dampening (P) > Gavialis (no day)
I didn't factor in Abjuration gear because when I did the test augments weren't known yet. Let's give a quick look at those now.
Bolding the name of what I think it's best:
Let's see the relevant stats on heads:
Adhemar+1 STR+31 DEX+33 Attack+20, Accuracy +20, TA+4%
Rao+1 STR+43 DEX+31 Accuracy+20 Attack+20
Ryuo+1 STR+33 DEX+29 Accuracy+21 Attack +20 "Store TP"+7
Adhemar probably a winner there, with Rao pretty close behind.
Hands now:
Rao+1: STR+26 DEX+46 Attack+44
Adhemar+1: STR+27 DEX+56 Accuracy+16 Attack +20 "Triple Attack"+3% "Store TP"+7
Here Adhemar+1 wins over Ryuo+1 that you picked, imho. Would be a different story for Hi but we're talking about Shun.
Body!
Rao+1: STR+40 DEX+37 Accuracy+23 Attack+43 "Double Attack"+5%
Adhemar+1: STR+38 DEX+45 Accuracy+21 Attack+41 "Triple Attack"+4%
Ryuo+1: STR+40 DEX+36 Accuracy+21 Attack+41
Adhemar wins again, followed by Rao.
Legs then:
Rao+1: STR+53 DEX+12 Attack+41 "Store TP"+6
Adhemar+1: STR+44 DEX+12 Accuracy+18 Attack+20 "Store TP"+8
Ryuo+1: STR+41 DEX+12 Attack+42 DA+4 "Store TP"+6
Samnuha: STR+48 DEX+16 Accuracy+15 DA+3, TA+3 "Store TP"+7
Hard to pick one here, but I think Ryuo should win honestly, given how Attack has a high relevance on Shun. Unless you're capped, but when are you ever going to be realistically capped? Lack of acc is a problem but can compensate for that in other slots.
Feet last:
Rao+1: STR+29 DEX+33 Accuracy+24 Attack+20
Adhemar+1: STR+27 DEX+35 Attack+39
Ryuo+1: STR+34 DEX+31 Attack+36
Loyalist (P): STR+26 DEX+12 Accuracy+18 Attack+33 DA+4
Eh... hard choice. They're all pretty close I bet. Maybe Ryuo for the set bonus with legs?
Some random considerations: You talked about SHUN, things would be different if you wanted to look for Hi, or to find the best compromise for both
I didn't factor in the set bonus, which does not matter on Shun for Rao/Adhemar, but it matters for Ryuo
Best choices usually have no Acc. I feel like you can't afford to pick all of those, need to draw a line somwhere and if you accept to pick a piece without acc in a certain slot, you'll have to compensate in other slots. Think it's gonna be worth it overall.
It has to be considered that at the moment (things might change in the future) Adhemar/Ryuo HQ aren't very realistic, whereas Rao+1 is much easier and cheaper to get. Rao+1 might be better than Adhemar/Ryuo NQ in several slots.
Sinister Reign offers excellent (altough clearly inferior) to Abjuration pieces for the Head and Legs slots at least. Highly dependant on your luck though.
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