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It is less true, as other jobs have received upward adjustments since the bitching began.


Higher dual wield is usually a bad thing.

If NIN gained lv99 SAM trait, Thf triple ark, critical bonus, skill chain bonus and self haste, mdb and ATK boost ninjutsu. It would be pretty OP or just be Blu

*Checks profile, see's Nirvana, nuff said*

One month where BLU is a really good option for Ambuscade and you all lose your god damn minds.

It's a lot more complicated then that, BLU doesn't get THF TA, it's only 5% base and not the enhancements THF gets. If a BLU focus's on DD they can be the strongest or near strongest Dual Wielding job, but still not competitive with the 2H DD jobs. Those 2H DD jobs need a lot of support to reach their ceilings.

It's the concept between high floor + low ceiling vs low floor + high ceiling.

That's blu right now, Can't use supports, so guess who's best, blu's self capping haste. And it's attack boosting and defense lowering.

*for shouts caveat.

Shout groups are literally 5 blu healer. Or shouter is on thf/dnc/nin/pld w/ 4 blus.

If blu wasn't OP we wouldn't end up at this exact same argument every single time. Deniers of the obvious, vs the staters of the obvious, either way, it's obvious. No one's forgotten blu was OP it's just pointless to keep talking about it since it's clearly never getting fixed, just like SMN. and MNK.

With no supports MNK could've actually been a good option this time, but no, blu's options are too good.

LOLOLOL

It's like that because we can't use BRD, COR and GEO buffs. SE deliberately setup this up to favor jobs that can buff themselves, which BLU is the king of. Introduce BRDs and CORs and that changes as the moment a WAR, DRK, DRG or SAM can hit haste cap, it's all over as the WS spam begins.

So like I said


A job with a high damage floor but low damage ceiling isn't OP when the situation is tailored to them. When a job is the best in nearly every situation, that is when OPness begins.

The idiocy of the playerbase shouldn't dictate job adjustments. Half the time when I read forums, I think to myself "thank *** god the devs generally don't listen to us."

So instead of arguing semantics, if blu isn't OP (it is), what's it called when even the shittiest player is an above average DD when on blu, because of its Highest floor, lowest ceiling?

If you take "random garbage player" and give them the literal best of everything, for literally every job, it's absolute certainty they will perform best as a BLU as long as you tell them don't cast spells. (ignore smn)

That's the definition of broken/imbalanced/op etc.

(zona blu's are some of the complete worst dd's ive ever seen because of the mp they think they need to cast spells)

Yeah but the devs often show they know less about the game than 2005s player base lol

My understanding is that the higher DW BLU gets puts it in the sweet spot, so, no it isn't hurting BLU. In theory, it could, but like with most of BLU's problems, they only exist in theory. Not in practice.

I agree some jobs have higher survivability than BLU. But those jobs have more downsides as a result than BLU experiences.

No job has the versatility that BLU has. Just go down the list.
Can it have shadows? Yes.
Can it nuke? Yes. AOE nuke? Yes. AOE nuke with added effects that even nuking jobs do not get in one action? Yes!
Can it crowd control? Yes. Sleepga? Yes. Petrify-ga? Yes.
Can it self-buff? Yes. In ways even buff-specific jobs can't? Yes!
Can it debuff? Yes. Defense down? Yes.
Can it heal? Yes. AOE heal? Yes.
Can it stun? Yes.
Can it parse well enough to be competitive with DD-specific jobs? Yes.
Is any of this dependent on the subjob it picks? No. BLU is generally pigeonholed into a few sub jobs not because it needs a specific subjob to make up for a deficiency. Instead, it has a few preferred options because it gets so much inherent to itself, that many subjob choices wouldn't offer any benefit at all. This concept is completely alien to any other job, really.

Can it do all of these things at once? Heavens, no. Can it do all the things it needs to hedge out other jobs? Absolutely yes.
Can other jobs be used in its place? Sometimes. Can it be used in the place of other jobs? Always.

BLU isn't the first thing I would adjust even if I had the power to make changes. But to not say it is in its own league is being disingenuous.

Only reason why BLU usually ends up winning the parse is lack of proper support in pugs. Decent DRK/WAR destroy BLU in total damage under comparable condition, not so much when they have to beg for haste or even worse erase for slow (yay Wind of Promy). My best ambu runs this month was actually with BLU+SAM+DRK as DD doing torcleaver closing 4 step for easy 99k off inundation.

In terms of versatility, yes BLU is awesome but that was the main idea behind the job with lots of support spells. The BLU situation isn't even comparable with the SMN one or MNK (on the complete opposite side).

The main reason I'm not in favor of a SMN nerf is because pet jobs deserve a seat at the table. The people that whined for/favored the BST nerf (mostly BLUs...) have put me forever in the camp of "leave all pet jobs alone."

The only reason anyone is against nerfing smn is they're taking advantage of it's ridiculously broken state.

I did about 50k HM worth of ambuscade this month using either BLU BLU or BLU NIN (dualboxing). My NIN came out on top in every parse (against myself and other BLUs) and Utsusemi was much better for survival. Having a DNC and RDM completely negated the function of BLU in that fight too.

Overall BLU DPS is mediocre when compared to other jobs. Being able to cleave CP moves, having mediocre DPS and having mediocre support spells doesn't make it OP.

There's a very large difference between a good player and what the argument is about. And you know it.

This happens literally every single time.

We're not talking about how well a good player performs, or how well a properly used blu functions.

Blu is broken because it's too easy to use. not for high end players.


VVVV This guy actually understands the problem. BLU is literally the "noob tube" players get pissed about in FPS.

Listen, I'm no BLU fan. But can those of us who are annoyed by the job's current status at least admit what it really is? We're pissed that its so easy to be a B+ player on BLU, where other jobs have to fight and claw just to get to B-. And god help you if there's someone who has no *** clue..they can still be a C BLU, but they're a fast F on any other job (ALMOST any other job, of course that was exaggeration).

Its that ability to have no idea why are you doing well yet still be able to parse acceptable that infuriates those of us min/maxxers who are trying to eek every last tenth of a percentage point of dps out of another job. So to the quality BLUs out there, I've got no issue with you. Its the damn bandwagoners who read your sticky for 20 minutes, build sets by copy/paste rather than knowledge of the spell/weaponskill needs and then show up and actually aren't horrific that piss us off.

Well, on the flip side, it can be a relief when doing a PUG to see the unknown player on BLU. You know it won't do a terribad job.

I'm not jealous of BLU. I just recognize it for what it is. We have BLUs in my linkshell. They are great. The job itself gets old, but the content is even older, so better to win and get things over with sooner rather than later. I'm looking at you Ambuscrap and HTBF.

And the argument that I defend SMN because I and everyone is taking advantage of it was and still is false. I have yet to be in a party that uses SMN for anything other than Erynis.

Maybe you didn't see it but I was playing both the BLU and the NIN. Player performance is not really a factor here as it's the same player...

It appears you forgot this part.

I'd say it is a combination of all the things BLU can do well and easily in addition to all the tired gimmicks spewed out from the Devs to make it most viable.

For example, Snaps, try that Ambu with NIN + NIN and no BLU at all and get back to us.

He would still do fine. But take away blu from shouts, and they'll all give up.

This may be your experience and I would love to go back to the old aeonic style but from what I see on my server and every single aeonic group (merc or ls recruiting) post here, all they look for is nirvana SMN and idris GEO. I admire you for not taking advantage of it but it's a fact everybody else is and the job is broken.

I already did it with DNC NIN NIN for DPS (RDM for Sleep + Haste II) and it was the easiest of any of the runs. Not having to worry about MP or getting 1 shot by the Qirins made it pretty easy.

This is a legitimate complaint and I agree that dealing mediocre damage on BLU is pretty easy, just follow some forum stuff and invest in some JP.

I just wish the complainers would recognize that there is so much more above that level. I have an incredibly pimped out BLU, I also have an equally pimped out WAR, and between the two it's no contest, my WAR absolutely crush's my BLU.

This is the obvious ***you all get hung up on every god damn time.

We all know. You can stop saying how bad blu is when it's used properly. For the hundredth god damn time.

it's how well blu performs when used by the masses that is the problem.

Then why you using the word OP? If by your own admission other jobs are stronger then BLU, how can you this label it OP?

Just seems like your petty and being a piss ant.

It doesn't actually perform that well. A walmart DRK could do more DPS than a walmart BLU for this month's ambuscade.