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Boehner Wants to Sue Obama (again)
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-28 19:17:45
This caught me enough by surprise to want to post it. It's a post from the Rachel Maddow Show's blog (or something of that nature).
Link first, full post in the spoiler: Boehner's bold new idea: suing Obama again
Last summer, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the unusual step of announcing a lawsuit against President Obama. Boehner wasn’t sure what he would sue over, exactly, but the Republican leader was sure he wanted to take the president to court – for something.
Eventually, Boehner picked a topic – the delayed implementation of an obscure ACA provision — and after a few fits and starts, House Republicans agreed to pay a D.C. law firm $500 an hour, in taxpayer money, to handle the case. The whole thing became quite farcical when the GOP’s lawyers quit the case, followed by the replacement lawyers also quitting the case.
And as that case stumbles through the judiciary, Boehner yesterday began talking up his brand new idea: filing another lawsuit against the president. Suzy Khimm reported that the House Speaker apparently hopes to challenge Obama’s new protections for millions of undocumented immigrants.
Boehner discussed the next potential steps at a closed-door meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday. “We are finalizing a plan to authorize litigation on this issue - one we believe gives us the best chance of success,” he said, according to a source in the room.
The options included filing a lawsuit against Obama over the issue or to join the handful of states that are already suing the president. If Boehner moves forward, he would put a resolution authorizing such action up for a vote.
Won’t that be fun.
On the merits, it’s very difficult to take any of this seriously. The president already has well established prosecutorial discretion, and his actions last fall on behalf of immigrants were rooted in precedents set by Obama’s predecessors. There’s no reason to believe the courts would reject the White House’s policy – the judiciary generally doesn’t like intervening in food fights between the branches – and it’s unlikely the case would even be resolved before Obama’s term in office expires.
Chances are, Boehner knows all of this, but will proceed with litigation plans anyway, It’s important to understand why.
When the Speaker launched his woefully weak case against the White House last fall, even Boehner didn’t seem to have his heart in it. After months of GOP complaints about a lawless, out-of-control tyrannical president, the Speaker’s big lawsuit was about a delayed deadline on a health care policy? It was a laughable stunt, but for Republican leaders, the suit was less about the substance and more about the partisan circumstances – Boehner heard his members demanding an aggressive confrontation with the president, possibly including impeachment, and he needed a way to lower the temperature.
The lawsuit, in this case, was intended as a distraction – by filing the litigation, Boehner could plausibly tell his members, “We’re not just sitting around doing nothing; we’re taking Obama to court!”
The Great Republican Lawsuit, Part II is remarkably similar. Republicans want another ugly fight with the White House, including a showdown over funding for the Department of Homeland Security, and Boehner wants to make the whole mess go away. The Speaker therefore sees another lawsuit as another shiny object – a toy of sorts for GOP members to play with instead of doing real damage.
Will Republicans be placated with a frivolous lawsuit doomed to fail? Probably not, but Boehner isn’t an especially strong Speaker, his bag of tricks is empty, and with Homeland Security set to run out of money in a month, he’s getting a little desperate.
What caught me is that conclusion being drawn. I was expecting the usual frothing attack on Boehner, and there's certainly a bit of skepticism about wasting taxpayer money on this again, but... there seems to be some (rather backhanded) praise in here.
Anyone think this analysis might be true?
By Jetackuu 2015-01-28 19:31:40
More actual waste's of taxpayer money and time, probably just trying to keep his job at this point.
I wonder how much money they've wasted throwing their temper tantrums now.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-28 19:40:24
I wonder how much money they've wasted throwing their temper tantrums now. Compared to, say, our Defense budget, not a meaningful amount.
And some conservatives have claimed that gridlock is the only way to keep the federal government from doing stupid things, so here's liberal spin on a Republican Speaker possibly doing just that.
By Jetackuu 2015-01-28 19:43:16
I mean, it's just ironic coming from "the party of fiscal responsibility" I have mixed ideas about our "defense budget" and honestly without going over it entirely (which would take some time) I don't want to fully formulate an opinion.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-28 19:54:59
I saw the headline a while ago, what ever happened to the lawsuit over Obamacare? I mean, both are baseless and probably won't even be taken up by a court, but shouldn't he get one filed before starting a new one? Still no timeline on when the House will begin debating immigration reform, but they sure did get nothing done in January.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-28 20:10:39
but they sure did get nothing done in January. What if that's the point? What if John Boehner is the Dark Knight, a fictitious villain working behind the scenes to save the world?! He is Batman!
Pardon me, going to go spend the next several hours sobering up and laughing hysterically.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-01-28 21:37:07
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-28 23:44:37
Brb gonna put a bullet in my head from that asshat's nonsense. He failed already, what makes him think he's gonna succeed this time?
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By Shiva.Protectorchrono 2015-01-29 07:28:17
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I found Mr. Mime to be one of my favorite Psychic types in Pokemon! Damn you Boehner! xD
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-29 08:44:33
Aaaaaaaaand this site is on an FBI watch list now.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 08:53:21
Screw suing him, lets impeach.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-01-29 09:07:37
Screw suing him, lets impeach. The lawsuit has been called "impeachment lite."
Also, remember what impeachment did for Clinton's popularity?
Oni, I think that a very thoughtful analysis.
By Jetackuu 2015-01-29 09:39:13
Screw suing him, lets impeach.
For what? aside from the patriot act (which a lot of congress and the last president is also guilty for, among other things they're all guilty of) there's no grounds for impeachment, despite what the Republicans keep telling their sheep.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-29 10:17:10
Screw suing him, lets impeach.
Go ahead.
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By Bismarck.Oldelf 2015-01-29 10:45:03
The Lawsuit is all about Obama over stepping his office. This is the first step of challenging the Dictator Obama of violating the Constitution.
We have rules and laws in place and he is just going around them knowing that when the Supreme Court finally gets around to over turning most of these Executive Orders he'll be back home in Kenya praying to Allah with his bud the Iranian President. LOL
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 10:50:52
The Lawsuit is all about Obama over stepping his office. This is the first step of challenging the Dictator Obama of violating the Constitution.
We have rules and laws in place and he is just going around them knowing that when the Supreme Court finally gets around to over turning most of these Executive Orders he'll be back home in Kenya praying to Allah with his bud the Iranian President. LOL Aaaaand we finally have someone who's actually said something dumber than Nausi ever could on this topic.
By Jetackuu 2015-01-29 11:02:00
The Lawsuit is all about Obama over stepping his office. This is the first step of challenging the Dictator Obama of violating the Constitution.
We have rules and laws in place and he is just going around them knowing that when the Supreme Court finally gets around to over turning most of these Executive Orders he'll be back home in Kenya praying to Allah with his bud the Iranian President. LOL Aaaaand we finally have someone who's actually said something dumber than Nausi ever could on this topic. Yet Nausi +1'd it.
So I wouldn't go that far.
By Schutz 2015-01-29 11:03:19
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Aaaaaaaaand this site is on an FBI watch list now. Nah, more like 3 people's IP addresses are now on the FBI watchlist, one of'em being KN. Not only the FBI's list, but also the CIA, NSA, BATFE, DHS... Those two really had to go and royally *** themselves over with threatening violence against the president and VP.
Maybe. :p Jesse Jackson once famously said he wanted to cut Obama's @%#$s off, but no repercussions ever came of that threat. :p
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 11:13:13
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Aaaaaaaaand this site is on an FBI watch list now. Nah, more like 3 people's IP addresses are now on the FBI watchlist, one of'em being KN. Not only the FBI's list, but also the CIA, NSA, BATFE, DHS... Those two really had to go and royally *** themselves over with threatening violence against the president and VP.
Maybe. :p Jesse Jackson once famously said he wanted to cut Obama's @%#$s off, but no repercussions ever came of that threat. :p Doesn't matter if nothing actually comes from the threat. You make a threat to harm the president or the VP, they all automatically start watching your ***. All the big 3 letter agencies, as well as the military. They watch, and they wait till you self-incriminate further by actually taking steps to make your threat a reality. Then you see the SWAT teams kick your front door down, flashbangs are tossed in your face, they slam you down, cuff you and haul you off to Gitmo faster than you can say "jackrabbit".
You're never seen or heard from again after that. Literally, if you want to disappear cheaply and effectively, threaten the higher-ups in the U.S government. Then you should be glad nothing will come from it.
Or are you hoping that what you say actually occurs?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-29 11:20:31
I knew a kid in school who made a joke e-mail threatening Bill Clinton. He and his friends got a good laugh out of it, until he accidentally sent it. I can't remember how long it took, but the school was soon visited by government agents who found out who sent it and interrogated him. I think he got off the hook due to his age, but it goes to show how much those guys don't mess around. I don't actually think what was said in this thread qualifies, but whatever.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 11:42:25
It's doubtful they will. While government agents do follow up on certain threats... if they followed up on everyone that ever siad anything about any president's death they'd have no time to do anything else. I doubt their names are even on a list at this point but yeah...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 11:46:15
I think the key word in your reply there is credible...
This caught me enough by surprise to want to post it. It's a post from the Rachel Maddow Show's blog (or something of that nature).
Link first, full post in the spoiler: Boehner's bold new idea: suing Obama again
Last summer, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the unusual step of announcing a lawsuit against President Obama. Boehner wasn’t sure what he would sue over, exactly, but the Republican leader was sure he wanted to take the president to court – for something.
Eventually, Boehner picked a topic – the delayed implementation of an obscure ACA provision — and after a few fits and starts, House Republicans agreed to pay a D.C. law firm $500 an hour, in taxpayer money, to handle the case. The whole thing became quite farcical when the GOP’s lawyers quit the case, followed by the replacement lawyers also quitting the case.
And as that case stumbles through the judiciary, Boehner yesterday began talking up his brand new idea: filing another lawsuit against the president. Suzy Khimm reported that the House Speaker apparently hopes to challenge Obama’s new protections for millions of undocumented immigrants.
Boehner discussed the next potential steps at a closed-door meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday. “We are finalizing a plan to authorize litigation on this issue - one we believe gives us the best chance of success,” he said, according to a source in the room.
The options included filing a lawsuit against Obama over the issue or to join the handful of states that are already suing the president. If Boehner moves forward, he would put a resolution authorizing such action up for a vote.
Won’t that be fun.
On the merits, it’s very difficult to take any of this seriously. The president already has well established prosecutorial discretion, and his actions last fall on behalf of immigrants were rooted in precedents set by Obama’s predecessors. There’s no reason to believe the courts would reject the White House’s policy – the judiciary generally doesn’t like intervening in food fights between the branches – and it’s unlikely the case would even be resolved before Obama’s term in office expires.
Chances are, Boehner knows all of this, but will proceed with litigation plans anyway, It’s important to understand why.
When the Speaker launched his woefully weak case against the White House last fall, even Boehner didn’t seem to have his heart in it. After months of GOP complaints about a lawless, out-of-control tyrannical president, the Speaker’s big lawsuit was about a delayed deadline on a health care policy? It was a laughable stunt, but for Republican leaders, the suit was less about the substance and more about the partisan circumstances – Boehner heard his members demanding an aggressive confrontation with the president, possibly including impeachment, and he needed a way to lower the temperature.
The lawsuit, in this case, was intended as a distraction – by filing the litigation, Boehner could plausibly tell his members, “We’re not just sitting around doing nothing; we’re taking Obama to court!”
The Great Republican Lawsuit, Part II is remarkably similar. Republicans want another ugly fight with the White House, including a showdown over funding for the Department of Homeland Security, and Boehner wants to make the whole mess go away. The Speaker therefore sees another lawsuit as another shiny object – a toy of sorts for GOP members to play with instead of doing real damage.
Will Republicans be placated with a frivolous lawsuit doomed to fail? Probably not, but Boehner isn’t an especially strong Speaker, his bag of tricks is empty, and with Homeland Security set to run out of money in a month, he’s getting a little desperate.
What caught me is that conclusion being drawn. I was expecting the usual frothing attack on Boehner, and there's certainly a bit of skepticism about wasting taxpayer money on this again, but... there seems to be some (rather backhanded) praise in here.
Anyone think this analysis might be true?
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