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 Lakshmi.Saevel
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-01-15 08:22:01
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Asura.Celoria said: »
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That aside, if you want to have a true parsing competition with a competant Koga SAM, Id' suggest doing it on something that is not delve. There are too many gimicks there.


What would you suggest? High-Tier BCNM, incursion or...? Honestly if I have run into enough "bad koga sam's." At this point I want to see what I do up against a good koga sam.

SAM is a bandwagon job and many people made mythics just to get the label "Koga SAM" while they still sucked horrible. Don't focus on the mythic, it's only ~11% better then Tsuru in the most optimal of situations. Instead find a competent SAM who actually knows game mechanics and wrote their own gearswap / macro files. What I've witnessed is that most people who have "SAM" either don't change gear for WS's, or copy someone's GS off the internet and never changed any gear or learned how it worked.

Also remember your presence as a THF is going to lower the SAM's DPS by 10~20% due to you interrupting their self lights. SAM's don't need to "work with people" in order to make skillchains, they get TP so fast that after being hasted they will always have enough TP to form a simple L3 light every two WS's. Fudo -> Fudo -> Light -> Fudo -> Fudk -> Light -> Fudo -> Fudo -> Light, on and on until the NM dies. If the other DD has a light compatible WS then there will be more lights without need to sacrifice DPS from "holding TP". If that other DD is another SAM then they mesh perfectly with each other and you get nothing but a constant stream of light SC's happening. Once you insert a darkness orientated DD into that mix those SC's start being interrupted. Fudo -> Fudo -> Light -> Fudo -> Rudras!!! -> break -> Fudo -> Fudo -> Light -> Fudo -> Rudras!!! -> Break, and so forth. This is where RS being on Distortion instead of Gravitation becomes an issue, otherwise you'd see Darkness's form instead of the SC breaking. And that's without us getting into SAM's doing four step lights. Heck because SAM's have WS's in all four major L2 categories, they can technically form infinite SC's by just going around in circles. I think there is a six or seven WS limit to the stacking but if the SAM knows they don't need to worry about amnesia / stun / terror then they can easily do five or six step lights / darkness's by just criss-crossing the L2 links. This is where more powerful SAM's pull ahead of the "Fudo Spam" SAM's, though realize that spamming Fudo still produces a barrage of lights. So a fudo spammer would be an additional 30% of DPS from self SC's while a competent SAM would get 50%.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-01-15 08:40:18
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Two step skillchains should be nerfed heavily. It's free damage. Why should 2 weapon skills in a row get a bonus of an extra weapon skill's worth of damage. Should deal like 20% of the closing weapon skill'a damage. Should a 10k ws into a 10k ws do an extra 10-15k just cuz it was used 2.5 seconds after the first? It's a tremendous damage bonus for almost no risk and relative ease. Give the extra 10-12k damage to 4-5 step skillchains,you know, something that requires actual teamwork and skill.
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By FaeQueenCory 2015-01-15 09:28:00
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
copy someone's GS off the internet and never changed any gear or learned how it worked.
This is true for ANY job. Not just SAMs.
It's really obnoxious when people just copypaste instead of thinking for themselves... it's my biggest pet peeve. (that and spreadsheets being WORD OF GOD... c'mon y'all... ask any chemist about actual and theoretical yields... spreadsheets being treated as such is the same as treating theoretical yields as such... because that's what it is.)
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-01-15 09:37:24
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FaeQueenCory said: »
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
copy someone's GS off the internet and never changed any gear or learned how it worked.
This is true for ANY job. Not just SAMs.
It's really obnoxious when people just copypaste instead of thinking for themselves... it's my biggest pet peeve. (that and spreadsheets being WORD OF GOD... c'mon y'all... ask any chemist about actual and theoretical yields... spreadsheets being treated as such is the same as treating theoretical yields as such... because that's what it is.)

I've always said that spreadsheets are good for comparing gear and WS's on the same job vs a specific target. At best they are primitive simulations of a single DD on a single target, at worst they are best guess estimates of the same. Actual gameplay has so many variables and chaos that entropy tends to be play a very large, often unacknowledged factor. Different strategies will introduce different amounts of entropy which is why we always seem to devolved into the most basic "it just works" strategies, even if they aren't always the best on paper. SAM is currently "OP" because not only can it produce large quantities of predictable damage, it does so while introducing minimal entropy into the fight.
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By Chyula 2015-01-15 11:54:58
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lets debunk this with simple mathematics and *** spreadsheet or parse. I'll give thf as much advantage as possible.
Thf wsd 30k (3000tp) 25 second interval(advantage)
Sam WSD 8k (1000tp) 5 second interval
Total thf wsd 30k(SA or TA involved) every 25 seconds and I gave thf the benefit you can alternating SA/TA every 25 seconds.
Total Sam Wsd 8x5 40k + 2 light 16k = 56k total
since I set time to be a fix variable we can toss out every other variables that can skew the parsing like not getting haste or hit by slow. both job will be operate in the same buff situation.
Thf white dmg I gave thf 90 swing to achieve 3000tp super advantage here.
Thf white dmg 90 x 250 dmg for the sake of critical and whatever I'll round off the 100 swing.
100 x 250 = 25k dmg
Sam white dmg 4hit build(tossing koga out of the math) Tsu, 3 swing per 1000 tp.
3 x 5 x 500 = 7,5k
Total sam output in 25 seconds 56k + 7.5k = 63.5k
total THf output in 25 seconds with shitload of advantage 30k + 25k = 55k
This is purely number crunching by the job itself without others setting them up for the omg I'm spit in your face ws chain eye candy. if you think 8k ws from sam is high then you havent see the 10k ws sams.