Relic Weapon Adjustments

You could give them a bonfire, and a sack of sweet potatoes to put onto the ends of their polearms.

your potato infatuation still running strong

Wyverns Pet Breath attacks now do Terror instead.

There we go, relevant.

it's also spreading.

BEHOLD! THE POTATO IN ALL ITS GLORY!

inb4 terror wouldn't land.

Half Potatoe only please. I'm not baked.........

Sorry commence the bad puns (start a potatoe topic Blood)

That was sorta the joke!

You mean reverse the triple nerf of Ukko's crit rate, restraint and blood rage? Hardly going to make it compete, considering the current gap.

Translation:
If other jobs use weak WS's and hold TP, then a THF using all their timers precisely and their strongest WS can do better. If the other jobs actually focus on doing damage and using their best WS and SCing with each other, then they will do more then the THF.

RS has sh!tty SC properties, Distortion + Darkness. To give an idea this is what other jobs would have to use to "work with you" and "make skillchains"

WAR: Not possible there isn't any WS's amongst GAXE, GSWD or AXE that are compatible with RS. Possibly Polearm cause SD has gravitation property or Requiescat from swords...

DRK: Quietus has Darkness, Entropy has Gravitation, no GS WS is compatible.

SAM: Tachi: Rana or Stardiver as all the rest are Light / Distortion / Fusion.

DRG: Stardiver is compatible with Gravitation, the rest are Light orientated.

BST: Onslaught and Cloudspliter are darkness, Primal Rend has gravitation.

BLU: Requiescat has Gravitation, otherwise the rest are Light / distortionn orientated. Can form self darkness every 2min using most powerful WS that can be used as springboard for RS.

NIN: Blade Hi is both gravitation and darkness, Blade: Ku is gravitation.

DNC: Can use RS, PK isn't compatible.

MNK: Asuran fists for gravitation

PUP: Stringing Pummel is gravitation

RNG/COR: WF, LS and Coronach are all Gravitation with WF and Coronarch having Darkness property.

Our of all those your limited to NIN, PUP, BST, DRG, Marks RNG / COR and other THF's possibly DNC though not sure how much they lose from not spamming PK @1000TP.

Any heavy DD would have to severely gimp themselves in order to "play nice" with RS. If they play to their best ability, using their JA's and firing off WS's every 7~9 seconds (and naturally forming lights with each other) then your position falls apart. If RS was Gravitation / Darkness then it would be useful for forming darkness with other powerful DDs. Right now there is a severe lack of powerful Darkness / Gravitation WS's which leaves Light as the big skillchain. Blame SE for their short sightedness.

The top DD's are all orientated around L3 Light SC's with many powerful WS's have secondary properties of Distortion or Fragmentation. And considering that SAM is WSing every 4~5 seconds while making their own Fudo spam lights (second DD screws up with the multi-step), the THF is the one interrupting it with their Distortion / Darkness properties.

the problem is not having heavy DD to gimp themselves to pair for RS, the complain is for the Heavy DD camp are crying that now party setup can completely toss away the heavy DD and replace by RS jobs. for myself I don't see any problem giving alternate party choice, if ppl like heavy DD setup then just play it.

On spreads, for what it's worth, even without landing any SA whatsoever I have Izhiikoh still edging out both Koga and Liberator respectively. I set SA ws to unedited old version of Evisceration simulating unstacked Rudras, to test the idea you can't win parse without landing SAWS, and eventho SA Evisceration is doing 600 wsd less than unstacked Rudras it doesn't seem to matter. So basically, atleast on paper, the only thing a Izhiikoh THF needs to do is camp behind any Heavy DD spamming unstacked and using TA when up or bully SA and never need to move and still win parse.

or a sam can do multistep dark sc and thf could do 1 ws doing more dmg than the sam would have having done 5 6 step light ?

and you get the bonus dmg the sam did setting up the win

that would be my guess as to what byrth was trying to get across

Wait wut?...


I have not seen people tossing out heavy DD for a thf, just bringing a thf when thunter is needed and not feeling like the thf was useless for DD.

Thf Rudra update is probably one of the best updates SE has managed to pull off in a long while. Also no one holds TP and WS anymore, outside of an ordered setup, or when required for gimmicks etc. Hell SAMs interup blu solos as do Blus SAMs, other DD do it too. Many times holding TP just ends up as a net loss, unless its planned or needed.

the way it is right now sam compliments the *** out of thf and its 2box friendly as thf doesn't need to do ***but close sc lol

It's nice to list out every job, but let's be real for most people you are either going to be paired with a Thf or Sam, maybe Blu and Dnc if the leader is more progressive. 2/4 of those jobs use Rudras which makes darkness with other Rudras. That is honestly all that matters, who cares if Rudras can't SC with a Bst? Also I have to stress it is absolutely on the Sam to make SCs, without SCs Thf absolutely stomps Koga Sam currently. Koga needs the solo large skillchains to keep up with a Rudras Izh Thf that isn't SCing.

the one job that need a buff the most is blm, SE really need to *** fix blm. The job excel in nothing, dps is ***, highest single damage output not by a billion mile. Then next job need a buff are war follow by drk and drg.

The SAM still ends up doing more damage, we've tried this before. It's just Rana -> Fudo for darkness with the THF ending in a nice stacked 300TP RS. Same concept as a BLU doing CDC -> Sinker -> Darkness -> Stacked RS -> stupidly powerful double dark.

Those are team efforts that involve others deliberately reducing their damage as part of a bigger strategy. The THF is most certainly not "THF will ***over every other job's damage". That's like saying "if other jobs go naked and don't use food, then THF will ***over every other job's damage". It preconditions the superiority of later on the enforced inferiority of the former. Saying "I can run faster then you if I break your legs" doesn't mean I'm a faster runner then you, only that I am faster when you are handicapped.

Setting up a big SC for the start of a fight is a valid strategy and something I use quite frequently. We can even do it ad-hoc if timers allow, it doesn't make THF to suddenly being the best DD in the game because you can often get similiar or better results by just having a SAM or two.

idk bout that being able to mb stone 1 for 5k 3 times on one darkness sc is no slouch lol

my thf closing double dark does more from that 1 ws than a sam soloing light sc

Actually BST is one of the few jobs that Rudra's does SC with. It's WAR, DRK, SAM, MNK and BLU that it doesn't. The only jobs that play nicely with RS are the second tier DD jobs like NIN / DRG.

SAM's "make SC" by breathing even without a koga. A Tsuru SAM will ws every 4~5 seconds, and if they only use Fudo's that will be making a L3 light every other WS. Without using any SA or special gear they have a 16% bonus to those lights. DNC is a whole other issue, something Bryth knows damn good and well since he has a Mythic and all. A SAM who isn't self SCing is stealing oxygen from the rest of you. And no, a SAM needs neither Kogo nor some long multi-part SC to beat a delve dagger THF. They just need to push their WS button every couple of seconds and have someone else write their gearswap. A good 30~50% of their damage is those lights they naturally create while spamming their most powerful WS.

usually resulting in the death of anything being fought currently in game

Because you saved up to 2000 or more TP and can only do it once every ~30 seconds. During that 30s time that same SAM just did 5~6 Fudo's and made three lights. And that's giving you every possibly assumed benefit. Once we start using real situations with real players and monsters using sh!tty AI, the method with the least moving parts starts to really pull ahead.


Trash mobs or Unity NM's yeah, anything remotely difficult has a few hundred thousand HP.

This is how the rest of the game is treating the recent RS buff. THF is now capable of holding it's own instead of "just being there for TH". It's not the most powerful DD job but it can now treated like a real DD when putting together strategies. Instead of just "being there" in AA fights they can work with the RNG's for solid Darkness SC's will actually be considered when determining which buffs to use.

i only have real players/scenarios i don't do spreadsheet dmg calculations sam/thf will do faster kills than sam/sam on anything not piercing resistant and thf able to survive

that or my thf just has tremendous luck ?

i really hope tree isn't being used as the basis for comparison lol