Relic Weapon Adjustments

Izhi is a great weapon but to call it overpowered is silly, the problem is Thf not the weapon. Thf can also beat Koga with basically any 119 dagger including Valli's favorite Sandung.

What problem?

For the first time in my thf life, i think we dont have any problem at all.

The problem isn't thief is it. It's the ftp of Rudra that's the problem. The fact that sata highlights how broken it is does not make thief itself broken.

Two things se will do. Do what valli said and power creep or nerf Rudra and lower it's http://ftp.

Make SA not stack with Rudra and it would be ok.

DNC would still be broken as ***. I guess you want Rudra to be an elemental ws, in which case it would be even MORE broken lol.

The f tp just needs to come waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down from 20...

UHG forgot about dnc.

Yeah drop it to like 10 or something.

Umm no.

THF's can't teleport nor can NM's be SA/TA'd from any direction on every WS. In practice the mechanics of SA/TA prevent the THF from being anywhere near the top of the DD hierarchy. At 3000TP Rudra's is 20.5 fTP, or 7.0 fTP at 3 x 1000TP. It's actually better to use at 2000TP.

That all being said, it's power level is about equal to Fudo but behind CDC and Pyrrhic Kleos.

1000TP CDC = 9.8 fTP 80% DEX with each MA being +2.45 http://fTP. That makes 29.4 fTP for three of them, and it can crit with 30~50% crit rate depending on dDEX.

What makes RS "wow" is stacking it with SA or TA but really SA due to DEX suddenly counting twice on a WS with 80% DEX mod. So you see really big numbers once every ~30s but mediocre numbers elsewhere. I've had many THF's proudly trumpet their WS numbers only to deflate when I post the parse results, especially the details where they WS half as often as everyone else and 3~4x less then the Tsuru SAM.

On an interesting note, since I've been playing BLU a lot these days and frequently play with some pretty pimp THF's, something we've worked out is a three part SC that we open our fights with. CDC -> Sinker -> Darkness -> stacked Rudras -> Stupid darkness. The highest we've seen was our THF pumping out a 36K Rudras that caused a 99,999 double darkness that pretty much one shoted what we were fighting. So stop thinking of THF as a solo spam WS DD like SAM / WAR / MNK / DRK / DRG and start thinking a bit more strategically on how to exploit ridiculous SC numbers off it.

An adjustment on some weapon should be done, for example i don't understand why Murgleis don't have magic damage on it (something like 110 not more).

What makes stacking so nice is the forced crit not the dex contribution. The extra dex comes after ftp, just subjected to pdif, so it would be 300*3.25= 925 extra dmg from dex, 1170 with raiders hands, so thats why none bother using those in current ws sets.

The crit in the other hand, makes your capped pdif from 2,25 to 3,25, so a boost of 40% in dmg if youre capped in attack, even more if you arent. In that case, dnc is as strong as thf due to theirs forced crits jas. But add this to native critdmg from thfs trait (14%) and all critdmg gear thf has, specially the reforged af1, and the dmg goes through the roof.

And 30 secs isnt so bad, considering you can use trick and sneak attacks for one stacked each 25 s. I dont know the number, but it should almost alternating unstacked and stacked ws. Even more considering from 1000 to 1750 the ratio ftp/tp is higher than 1, thats, holding tp is more benefitial than using it, there is low reason to not to wait a extra bit to stack a 3000 tp rudras, but i dont know if its a dmg gain or not.

A fully buffed melee can get 1000TP in about 7~8 seconds after doing a WS (2 second pause). That is 3~4 WS's per 25s period, and it's more like 30s averaged because TP gain and JA timers don't magically line up and you want 1750~2000 TP for optimal damage. A SAM on the other hand gets TP every 4~5 seconds, including that 2 second forced pause after a WS. For a tsuru SAM with Misers it's WS -> Hit -> Hit -> WS -> DA Proc -> WS -> ect, Koga SAM's are practically constantly in WS animation due to them frequently only needing a single melee round to get TP again. Not to mention the constant light spam resulting from such frequent WSing.

That is why super Rudra's become nice but don't put THF on top of the DD hierarchy, without SA / TA RS is just a mediocre WS easily beat by many others.

Also I mentioned the whole SA DEX thing because you would already be stacking high amounts of DEX during WS, any AGI present would only be a side effect of iLevel gear.

Rudras is a very strong ws, and the one who benefits the most from moonshade earring.

I think still sam should be beating thf with his ws spam frequency (need 3-4 hits and has high amount of da, ta, qa while thf need ~17 hits) but not in ws dmg alone. Fudo 3000 has the same ftp of a rudra 1000 with moonshade, but has a weapon with double base dmg.

At 1000 we would have (243+19+300-guessed*0,8)*2,25*4,25 = 4800. Rudras should be (108+19+300*0,8)*2,25*8,25 = 6800.

Umm you realize that both THF and SAM won't have the same fSTR right. With you focusing on stacking DEX your STR is going to be about 220~230 while the guy focusing on STR is going to have 300 or more (race depending). It's not a giant difference but its something that is frequently forgotten.

And 6800 isn't that high compared to the recent changes. Fudo isn't that strong a WS on it's own, it's the Light property paired with a job that has insane SC bonus's and WS speed that give it that strength. CDC and PK are now the "strong" WS's. CDC @1000TP will have an average of 11fTP due to multi-procs having the same fTP as the first hit.

135 + 240 (300DEX to be the same as yours) + 14 (target with 180VIT and 234 STR) = 389 * 11 * 2.25 = 9627. And that is without any crits which CDC @1000 and standard gear set would have 45% chance to crit (assuming the target has 250 or less AGI and no CDB). Assuming 45% of our hits crit we get
389 * 6.05 * 2.25 = 5295 for regular hits
389 * 4.95 * 3.25 * 1.05 = 6570 for critical hits.
Total 11865, toss in a fudge factor for missed hits (91% should be close enough). for 10797 damage at 1000TP. And it makes light.

Pyrrhic Kleos has a similiar result for the non-crit. JA's let the DNC have guaranteed crits on all hits for some really stupid damage, but that's much harder to factor in due to the 2.5 steps required and JA delay incurring a melee DPS loss. DNC Mythic gives them a flat 30% damage boost to that already extremely powerful WS, expect to see some really high damage from the few Mythic DNC's floating around.

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Looking at Evis .. you might want think about using that at 1000TP. 1.45 fTP per hit for 8.7 fTP without counting MA procs (not sure what THF's average would be). With evis and capped dDEX you'd be looking at a 45% crit rate, possibly higher with THF JSE. That should easily surpass RS @1000 TP, though at 2000 RS should win again, and always if RS is being stacked.

You are smoking some seroiusly good ***!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Without SA or TA Rudras is still beyond amazing. Rudras also has great SC ability closing Darkness with itself making Rudras > SA Rudras from 2 Thfs really strong. Like I said before, if Sam can solo 4 step with a Koga it will beat Thf. If Thf can freely move about and SA TA on CD it will crush Sam. It really comes down to fight length and mechanics. Personally I'm happy to finally be playing a job that isn't Sam these days, however I would like to see the game more balanced. It's also worth noting that most events people do these days you don't fight a mob for long because of huge damage potential which swings things in Thfs favor pretty heavily.

Let's see your evidence you claim to have.

I have actually just checked this,, with a Spreadsheet and a live test, my THF's DPS was considerably higher than my Koga SAM and was inline with the Spreadsheets estimated DPS......#

That's *** up

If playing cooperatively (making skillchains, etc.), THF will ***over every other job's damage. If not playing cooperatively and just spamming Fudo, SAM can still pull even with THF by interrupting every skillchain with their stupid Light/Distortion WS properties.

-20% DT on Bravura full time? +5% Crit on Ragnarok and Mandau? sure, why the hell not! welcome WAR to our current THF overlords.

I certainly don't care about having DT on War. Give it something useful to damage so the job isn't so terrible at that. Then again unless you gave Metatron Torment 20 fTP it wouldn't really change how bad War is currently.

There's too many things that require change besides simply adjusting the weapons special buffs, the original team who developed those weapons do not correspond with the current evolution of the game.

In example: -20% DT vs +5% Crit is not on the same potency tier. -20% DT is far superior. However, if you began to talk of increases where -20% DT was met with +20% Crit you begin to see more realistic and beneficial bonuses.

The weaponskills themselves should in turn be devastating. FTP in the 5.0 - 10.0 ranges should be a norm among them in what they do.

However, no single weapon should be the top of the food chain. It should equate to the same amount of DPS but with alternate utilities. This will allow players to pick and choose based on content rather than having one simple cookie cutter ideal in mind all the time.

they just need to bring war back to the pre ukko furry nerf and it should be sufficient.

and the other 9 melee jobs ?

Silly Anji. Everyone knows that at any given point in time there are only 1-3 melee jobs that exist.

Yeah,

THF, DNC, and BRD.

When a brd can ***all over drk in ws dmg ***is full potato

Just waiting on that 2 handed WS update.

Yep incoming 40k dmg fudos on slash resistant mobs

lol probably

War will get no ws update but a buff of 5% more double attack and dark will get another attack bonus tier drg will get a job emote

I'd like the fTP across all hits (Upheavel Mythic wars Rejoice!).

Shoha would be ok, but acc issues hmmm not too sure on this one.

At least I attempted to give drg something...