On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

Aka let the tank pop defensive CDs instead of trying to finangle a debuff onto yourself and running oom or dying.

The death of a DD can potentially cost you a Wave 3 Dynamis clear.
The death of multiple DDs will most likely cost you a Wave 3 clear.

Though I doubt bringing up Wave 3 means anything to you.

Whm isnt keeping DD alive during wave 3, and if anything uses zombie the tank should be smart enough to save defensive procs for it.

Dead or oom whm will wipe you as well.

A) A DD doesn't have to whack a mob while trying to recover from a bad situation. If you have DDs that continue to whack a mob while the group is trying to recover, the raise that DD last. It's that simple.
B) If you are in a situation where all the DDs are dead and the tank is the only one left, odds are that you will not recover, especially in timed instances. You can either wipe/recover or just take the fail and try from the start. And find out what caused the wipe in the first place and either improve/fix the problem or, if it's not anyone's fault (bad timing on moves, etc.) try again and hope the RNG gods are not being *** the next time.
C) Leaving the DDs dead and just focusing 100% on one player (the tank) will *always* cause a loss. Even if you win the fight, you lost because that strategy will never produce the same results again (mainly because the DDs that you let die did 95% of the work and you just floated your way to victory off their efforts).

Edit: I think this is now appropriate for this argument

Lol, no. DD does 3% of the work at best. All a DD has to do is not *** up SC rotations. Supports, healers and tanks are the only jobs that do real work in any group.

Why do you keep saying you need to have blu leveled and geared... Einherjar is a joke at 99 w/ basic ilvl. I'm sure a melee WHM could solo it just fine. Or if you're really that bad, level literally any DD/Tank job.

You can run a literal bot for the first two of those. But yea tanks do a ***ton, I won't argue against that.

And I think that is where you are incorrect, and let me explain why:

Everyone has a roll in a party:

Tanks keep hate on them and only them.
Healers keep the tanks up and any DDs who are in danger of dying.
DDs keep whacking on the mob, taking it down and ending the battle as fast as they can.

If any of the three groups cannot do their job, the fight fails. You cannot win a fight with only a tank and a healer. You cannot win a fight with only DDs and a healer (sidenote: DDs can be tanks, that's usually who is the one who is doing the best amount of damage the shortest amount of time, and the one the healer focuses on the most. Don't think I mean that tanks are worthless, a party needs to keep hate off of the healer). You cannot win a fight with only a tank and DDs.

At least, not any fight worth doing. Sure, a group of 99 players in any of the above situations can beat Bubbly Bernie, but not an Omen boss. You need all 3 to win the fights that matter.

If a healer cannot heal, then the fight will fail.

All 3 groups are worth equal. You cannot be victorious with a party of only tanks and healers. Good luck trying.

Well you see. If you DD as WHM you are both the Healer and the DD and if you let the tank die because you won't sac him then you are the Healer, the Tank and the DPS. Or if you aren't DDing hard enough the other DDs will die and eventually you will be 100% of the DPS, the healer and the tank.

At that point you are the most important person in the party.

It really isn't. You appear to be the only one on this entire forum who thinks it is.

A dead WHM has other people to back up their heals while they get back up, cast Reraise, and then get back to healing. And yes, a WHM can main heal just fine while weakened. It just means mixing up their Cures to juggle cooldowns.

If a tank dies, the NM is on the loose killing people left and right while the WHM tries to raise them, rebuff them, and then they have to build hate again from zero. It's going to be a much bigger disruption to the fight.

Defensive abilities won't always get you through it. Tanks can't just reduce their damage taken to zero on demand. God forbid they need those defensive abilities for other things besides surviving zombie just because their WHM won't heal them.

You can't just assume the tank is going to survive, your job as WHM is to ensure that they do at all costs. Zombie is one of the most dangerous ailments in the game for a tank to have. You're basically leaning on the tank to be a superstar when you could easily share the burden.


Again, how on earth are you dying so easily on WHM or running out of MP just because you got Zombie? You should be out of harm's way so that you can do stuff like cast Sacrifice without putting yourself in much risk.

This whole debate makes me think you have something seriously wrong in your approach to WHM. Most likely having to do with poor positioning.

This is false, because as long as geo is up they can cure tank while whm gets up.


Pld can take 0 dmg from physical and run can take 0 from magical. None can take 0 dmg for everything.

If you die and run low on mana, use /p chat and ask for ballad. With 2 ballads on you should be able to keep going.

Alternatively radial arcana can restore mp real quick.

Also have to say its not tough to carry a vile elixir+1 all time for emergency mp recovery.

Basically, there are many ways to deal with low mp after death.

Slow is not that big of an issue on cures if you alternate them and have geo helping.


This, and I feel OP is trolling, since all that "whm cant land debuff in most content unless you /blm" talk.

This whm dying argument is completely irrelevant in alliance content anyways. In a properly organized wave 3 alliance there are minimium 2 whm, 1 rdm, 3+ geo that can help with cure if 1 whm is dead.

If you have a 6 man setup of tank, dd, dd cor, dd brd/nin, dd geo/nin, whm then MAYBE the argument of dead whm = wipe make sense.

In an alliance with so many supports 1 of them dying shouldnt affect alliance as much.

Why is the GEO sub ninja before the WHM or is WHM sub DNC.

Every support /nin or bust!!! Screw distract! ;)

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You can run a bot for a DD. Healer and support much less so in real content.

Good luck having the bard/nin heal, or the cor/non whm heal. Its not gunna go well. Not every person has a geo, and not all content even allows the support to heal.

What would you define as real content? The only thing I haven't seen a bot healer heal is Master trials but I haven't even done those yet.

Girls you're both pretty.

WHM goes down you can recover, Tank goes down you can recover. Stop blowing it out of proportion....

You can literally bot almost every job. People have scripts to automate PLD. Automate WHM better than real players half the time.
kinda sad, but it's whatever.


And yes. you can healbot Master trials. I got lazy once and used cureplease on Unafraid of the dark. And i'm 100% positive you can do Black and White without a whm, Turms gloves does all the healing.

I've heard people use very advanced healbots for Iroha, but i'm keeping quiet on who lol.

Give us the goods! With the anticipation and arguing over the WHM update and state of the job in general we could use some more juicy drama!

Hehe, I was just watching Megamind clips this weekend.

In the recent 'May Version Update' Akihiko_Matsui: "Esuna, which we’ve elected to give a revamp to bring it closer to the way that Esuna functions in other FINAL FANTASY titles"

Anyone have any ideas on this?

Remove all, or remove 1 status effect so might just be making it an erase+na and scrapping you needing to be hit by it

Hmmm.. this could be a very good update.

Esuna in past games has just removed pretty much all status ailments from the person it is cast on, the White Mage has not needed to have the ailment on themselves for it to work either.

If they're doing this exact thing to the current Esuna then with Afflatus Solace it'll become an AoE Na-spell even without Yagrush, AoE Erase under Solace will still need Yagrush. Afflatus Misery is where this could get bonkers. With the Su5 club Esuna under Misery will clear 5 ailments from everyone in range in one shot, even if the White Mage doesn't have said ailments. That includes Erase and Na-spells. That's freaking nuts.

My guess is single target, removes x number of ailments, regardless of what on the caster.

I honestly doubt that's the direction they'll go. It'd significantly reduce the allure of making Yagrush D:

Single target and removes one ailment would be nice. And it would increase the allure of Cleric/Piety Wand, which I may need to pick up from now... I would have suggested Cleanse as a new spell if I didn't already know they claimed to have run out of spell slots. Changing Esuna instead would definitely be preferable. Maybe it will be AoE in Misery form so that non-Yagrush owners still have help with AoE statuses.

Any guesses what theyll replace pro/shellra5 merits now that its going into scroll form?

Shellra & Protectra effect to augment all tiers of the spell. I wonder why they decieded to move it from merits to scroll.. I don't suppose they intend to add Protect 6 and Shell 6.