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15 questions for the evolutionists of AH.com
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-22 09:12:00
Creationists and evolutionists going toe-to-toe on the internet? Shocking! But seriously, I bet nobody from either party here is this combative about it in their day-to-day lives. This atmosphere (teh interwebs) just exacerbates matters, but only on the internet where everything is a battle to the death.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
MAN WAS CREATED TO BE A SLAVE RACE OF THE ANNUNAKI ACCORDING TO AKKADIAN AND SUMERIAN TEXTS:
BASICALLY:
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-09-22 09:13:09
I quit, this is as bad as the OP.
Going back to reading about dinosaurs.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-22 09:20:15
I'm in a mosque right now actually...my religion changes with the seasons. When Ramadan falls in the summer either avoid being Muslim or avoid the northern hemisphere.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 09:21:40
Creationists and evolutionists going toe-to-toe on the internet? Shocking! But seriously, I bet nobody from either party here is this combative about it in their day-to-day lives. This atmosphere (teh interwebs) just exacerbates matters, but only on the internet where everything is a battle to the death.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
MAN WAS CREATED TO BE A SLAVE RACE OF THE ANNUNAKI ACCORDING TO AKKADIAN AND SUMERIAN TEXTS:
BASICALLY:
By Nazrious 2014-09-22 09:21:57
The popular religions and belief systems of the world were beneficial to empire building and later in History capitalism.
Christianity = Religion
Atheism = Belief system
Surpsingly they both function on faith. One in a diety the other in a belief man has a true understanding of how existence functions.
Both have glaring logical flaws, circular logic being one of the largest.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-09-22 09:23:04
Basically why I just say non religious instead of atheist or agnostic, lol
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 09:23:18
Gaia 1:1
In 65 million B.C an extraterrestrial entity collided with planet Earth, a world where two groups were locked in combat against eachother for dominance. On one hand were technologically advanced reptiles and on the other hand some pretty stupid mammals. This entity buried itself deep within the planet, biding its time but had a profound effect on the balance of power.
The force of the impact was so strong it wiped out the reptiles and plunged the world into a nuclear winter that allowed the weaker mammals to rise up and take hold of the world. They'd go on to tap into mana, create their own technologically advanced civilization and wage war against against the minority groups of the world.
Everything changed in 1999 when this entity re-emerged...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-22 09:25:56
Creationists and evolutionists going toe-to-toe on the internet? Shocking! But seriously, I bet nobody from either party here is this combative about it in their day-to-day lives. This atmosphere (teh interwebs) just exacerbates matters, but only on the internet where everything is a battle to the death.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
MAN WAS CREATED TO BE A SLAVE RACE OF THE ANNUNAKI ACCORDING TO AKKADIAN AND SUMERIAN TEXTS:
BASICALLY:
It was H.P. Lovecraft all this time...
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-09-22 09:28:12
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Gaia 1:1
In 65 million B.C an extraterrestrial entity collided with planet Earth, a world where two groups were locked in combat against eachother for dominance. On one hand were technologically advanced reptiles and on the other hand some pretty stupid mammals. This entity buried itself deep within the planet, biding its time but had a profound effect on the balance of power.
The force of the impact was so strong it wiped out the reptiles and plunged the world into a nuclear winter that allowed the weaker mammals to rise up and take hold of the world. They'd go on to tap into mana, create their own technologically advanced civilization and wage war against against the minority groups of the world.
Everything changed in 1999 when this entity re-emerged...
That can't be right. Lady Gaga didn't release her first album until 2008.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 09:29:27
Gaia 1:2
2000 years ago, an advanced civilization of humanoids enjoyed a relative era of bliss as their people flourished and lived in harmony with the planet. These people, having reached the apex of their culture and customs would be completely unprepared when 'it' arrived - the calamity from the sky.
Striking the planet with sufficient force to wound the world, this entity first masqueraded itself as a being of peace. However it would not be long before this entity revealed itself as both a liar, deceiver and harbinger of ruin that would bring down civilization. It took on many faces and ended many lives but after great toil the few remaining survivors were able to seal it away in a geological strata.
And yet it slumbered, waiting for the day it'd one day be free....
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 09:40:44
You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion.
But it's aways the religion which fires the fuse on the powder keg.
This thread fails too.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-09-22 09:43:36
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Gaia 1:1
In 65 million B.C an extraterrestrial entity collided with planet Earth, a world where two groups were locked in combat against eachother for dominance. On one hand were technologically advanced reptiles and on the other hand some pretty stupid mammals. This entity buried itself deep within the planet, biding its time but had a profound effect on the balance of power.
The force of the impact was so strong it wiped out the reptiles and plunged the world into a nuclear winter that allowed the weaker mammals to rise up and take hold of the world. They'd go on to tap into mana, create their own technologically advanced civilization and wage war against against the minority groups of the world.
Everything changed in 1999 when this entity re-emerged... Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Gaia 1:2
2000 years ago, an advanced civilization of humanoids enjoyed a relative era of bliss as their people flourished and lived in harmony with the planet. These people, having reached the apex of their culture and customs would be completely unprepared when 'it' arrived - the calamity from the sky.
Striking the planet with sufficient force to wound the world, this entity first masqueraded itself as a being of peace. However it would not be long before this entity revealed itself as both a liar, deceiver and harbinger of ruin that would bring down civilization. It took on many faces and ended many lives but after great toil the few remaining survivors were able to seal it away in a geological strata.
And yet it slumbered, waiting for the day it'd one day be free.... This all sounds very familiar!
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-09-22 09:44:23
You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion.
But it's aways the religion which fires the fuse on the powder keg.
This thread fails too. Honestly, I wouldn't tie religion as a cause for war, if there was no religion we'd have wars over something equally as stupid.
By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 09:44:56
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 09:45:16
Gaia 1:3
It all began with a stone, Or so the legend says. In ages past, a sentient jewel, enormous and beautiful banished the darkness. Its many-colored light filled the world with life and brought forth mighty Gods. Bathed in that light, the world entered an age of bliss. Until, after a time, the Gods fell into slumber. That world was called: Earth.
In the 1942nd year of the Crystal Era, Earth was in the midst of a great war. Faced with invasion of the Third Reich and its hordes of nationalists, the leaders of the enlightened peoples united their forces in desperate alliance. They were the Empire of Great Britain, the United States of America, the Soviet Union and the Republic of China. Together, they struggled for survival in battle after battle as chaos engulfed the land.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-09-22 09:45:24
You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. Eh; wars start because humans as a whole are ***. They use religion as an excuse, but if that weren't there, they'd find something else.
While I am not religious/agree with any religion, wars start because humans are ***. Religion is just a front
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By Asura.Triffle 2014-09-22 09:46:49
Lol someone was mad about the thread I made. Apparently this joke of a thread is valid, but mine wasn't. The creationists have taken over the FFXIAH and made it into a theocracy.xD
By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 09:50:19
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 09:50:30
Asura.Refreshazure said: »
I'm waiting for your criticisms unlike Kooljack I accept criticism and use it to advance my debating skills.
I'm assuming you're fighting for Islam?
98% of the top scientists are atheist and a agnostic over 70% of the rest are as well
the religious people continue to try to say science is on my side science is on my side. this is not true only a small super minority even thinks about God snapping his fingers and making things come into existence.
Islam is one of the most extremist forces for setting back the world today it has unprecedented repression of women's rights sexual rights and human rights you can just turn on the TV or just go to Islamic pastor yourself and they will tell you women are less than men in the name of their God.
it is about time that society wakes up and says Islam we no longer fear you and stand up to them and if they choose not to back down we take care of them once and for all just to improve society.
you are correct though Kooljack and I are polar opposites he wants the world to remain as is in its pool of ignorance hatred and despair.
why I want to change things I want to get rid of the things causing more racism sexism and extremism.
the greatest step we can take is to start getting rid of creationism which the most advanced countries in the world already have.
then we can begin our work on Christianity and Islam.
if you're saying but the world can't survive without Islam and Christianity.
well China and Japan seem to be doing just fine so that's kind of a False argument.
You clearly never travelled to a muslim country and also you never went to china/japan neither.
I would like to add that Muslim or groups of Muslim or groups who identify themselves as muslim =/= Islam.
If one wants to know what Islam is, pick up the Quran and read it. Reading 1 page or 1 verse doesn't qualify. Read the entire book from start to finish before making such ridiculous accusations.
Judging the behavior of an individual, group or groups of people who identify as being Muslims as a representation of the religion is like saying secularism produced the Columbine shootings, Charles Manson and the KKK.
Or, in other terms perhaps you will comprehend - it is like saying Science has set the world back thousands of years since Nuclear Fission is the greatest threat to mankind today.
When will people stop repeating what they hear or see on the news like little parrots?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-09-22 09:50:59
Fifteen questions is fourteen too many.
1.) How did life originate?
I'm pretty sure it was a fluke.... the only evidence I can offer you is the preponderance of idiots who believe without question, that whole point of the miraculous and infinite complexities of the universe and the last several billions of years was all an elaborate effort to create some sort of springboard for talking monkeys to reach a completely different and infinitely better universe after they die...
Imagine, just for a moment, that you are THE all powerful god who created all the wonders of the earth and the heavens and then you mound up some dirt and create a man and the first thing he does is look around and say... meh...what else you got?
The entirety of all ideas formulated by every and all religions are miraculously ludicrous.
Think about it for a minute. Use your mind to dissect each and every tenant that has ever been established over the millennium and ask yourself this important question....
Does an all powerful deity really care about what I eat on Fridays in the springtime? (during lent)
First you have to understand earthlings are the only beings to understand time in the way that we do. A time that is based on our rotation on our axis and our rotation around our sun.
The entire concept of "days" lose all meaning as soon as you quit seeing the sun rise and set.
I don't have a problem believing in god, I have a problem believing that an all powerful deity cares about what kind of hat I wear outside and he left specific instruction with forty seven million people except me and they all STILL have differing opinions on the topic.
if eating pork is a sin, then why isn't walking under a ladder considered a sin? how didn't it make the "superstition cut" and the same goes for opening an umbrella indoors.
Look, I know you want to matter. I understand your desire for importance. I sympathize with your despair that comes with understanding your lack of either. But there is no way, even if you could somehow convince us all of god's existence that he demands or relies on anything prayers, devotion, tithing, church attendance, murder, strict adherence to archaic rules about eating from a time before refrigeration, or clothing choices from idiots like us.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 09:52:18
You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. Eh; wars start because humans as a whole are ***. They use religion as an excuse, but if that weren't there, they'd find something else.
While I am not religious/agree with any religion, wars start because humans are ***. Religion is just a front
Read the second half of my post. :)
All I said is it's the most common excuse for starting wars and it does suck because they are so keen to tell you how you're supposed to live your life. In the end they do so only to control you so they are able to squeeze money from you every month.
Following that line of thought, I could say my religion is FFXI. :P
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 09:52:59
You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion.
But it's aways the religion which fires the fuse on the powder keg.
This thread fails too.
Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.
Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 09:56:15
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.
Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?
I wrote a very small argument, which don't even start to scratch the dirt on the topic surface and you judge it enough to call me ignorant. Talk about "prejudice".
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-09-22 09:56:59
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion.
But it's aways the religion which fires the fuse on the powder keg.
This thread fails too.
Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.
Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums? I wouldn't call it ignorance, plenty of wars have been started in the name of religion, I'd call it more of an exaggeration than anything to suggest religion starts most wars.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 09:59:02
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.
Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?
I wrote a very small argument, which don't even start to scratch the dirt on the topic surface and you judge it enough to call me ignorant. Talk about "prejudice".
Its very hard to not know that wars in human history have been fought over resources. You would need to have not read up on any wars at all to not know that. I find no other term to describe your current knowledge on the history of war.
Take it as an insult if you will, we are all ignorant to varying degrees about different subjects.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 10:02:23
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »You know what ? religion sucks.
That's how most of our wars start. The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion.
But it's aways the religion which fires the fuse on the powder keg.
This thread fails too.
Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.
Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums? I wouldn't call it ignorance, plenty of wars have been started in the name of religion, I'd call it more of an exaggeration than anything to suggest religion starts most wars.
Using religion as a false pretense for war and wars being fought over religion are not the same thing.
If you want to isolate the cause of war, then look to the motive; Resources and Power.
Religion is not a conscious being with the ability to make decisions to go to war or to stand up and say "no don't do that in my name, i protest"
Man's desire for power is at the cause of war. Religion has nothing to do with it.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 10:05:41
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Its very hard to not know that wars in human history have been fought over resources. You would need to have not read up on any wars at all to not know that. I find no other term to describe your current knowledge on the history of war.
Take it as an insult if you will, we are all ignorant to varying degrees about different subjects.
Well I wrote "The Geo-economic pressures build up then people start to feel uncomfortable. They seek comfort on religion."
Meaning that stuff make people uncomfortable (basic needs are how these pressures build we are well aware of that) then people seek comfort on religion, get manipulated by dishonest priests (I know there's plenty of honest people in this world too) and that's the way the world spin.
300 years ago the life was different because there were no oil but back then people still had the very same basic needs we have now.
Only difference was the amount of energy and resources we spend with "superfluous" stuff like our beloved game, gadgets and having this conversation in a online forum. There were no such things 300 years ago yet people still had fights. Some of them were using religion as excuse.
This discussion is more interesting than a stupid baseless creationism discussion. (Sorry, OP but I still think this thread suck. lol)
Enough derailing from me. lol
1.) How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
2.) How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
3.) How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP, for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?
4.) Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?
5.) How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? (This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”3
6.) Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.”4 Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”5 The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?
7.) How did multi-cellular life originate? How did cells adapted to individual survival ‘learn’ to cooperate and specialize (including undergoing programmed cell death) to create complex plants and animals?
8.) How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).
9.) Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”.6 Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.
10.) How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”7
11.) How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?
12.) Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Evolutionists often use flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory. NAS(USA) member Dr Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian explanations for such things are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self-centered and aggressive—except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed—except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.”8
13.) Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.”9 Dr Skell wrote, “It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers … .”10 Evolution actually hinders medical discovery.11 Then why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?
14.) Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”12
15.) Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? Karl Popper, famous philosopher of science, said “Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme ….”13 Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”14 If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?
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