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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-20 14:00:11
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »western minds that realize the true meaning of the religion Except that we do know the true meaning of the (and all) religion(s).
Islam (nor Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Buddhism, nor any other religion out there) is not there to promote social or religious doctrines to the people, it is there to control the people in believing in a single purpose.
A very small portion of the population misinterpret the intent to be divine, but a growing number of people realize what religion is truly doing to society, and that is mass control.
If you don't believe me, then ask yourself this: Why does there have to be one person over everyone in all religions?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-20 14:02:52
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »western minds that realize the true meaning of the religion Except that we do know the true meaning of the (and all) religion(s).
Islam (nor Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Buddhism, nor any other religion out there) is not there to promote social or religious doctrines to the people, it is there to control the people in believing in a single purpose.
A very small portion of the population misinterpret the intent to be divine, but a growing number of people realize what religion is truly doing to society, and that is mass control.
If you don't believe me, then ask yourself this: Why does there have to be one person over everyone in all religions?
Is there 1 person over everyone else in all religions though? I'm not sure.
Islam didn't make any mention of the Caliph in the Quran, and the bible doesn't make any mention of the pope in the bible.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:04:19
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »western minds that realize the true meaning of the religion Except that we do know the true meaning of the (and all) religion(s).
Islam (nor Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Buddhism, nor any other religion out there) is not there to promote social or religious doctrines to the people, it is there to control the people in believing in a single purpose.
A very small portion of the population misinterpret the intent to be divine, but a growing number of people realize what religion is truly doing to society, and that is mass control.
If you don't believe me, then ask yourself this: Why does there have to be one person over everyone in all religions? While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure. Don't get me wrong, I think they're all unnecessary and people shouldn't rely so much on blind faith, but I wouldn't classify them all together in that regard.
But like Christianity and Islam, *** yeah: control.
Hell one of the main tenants of Islam is that freedom is a sin and since sinners must die, well you get the idea.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-20 14:10:17
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »western minds that realize the true meaning of the religion Except that we do know the true meaning of the (and all) religion(s).
Islam (nor Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Buddhism, nor any other religion out there) is not there to promote social or religious doctrines to the people, it is there to control the people in believing in a single purpose.
A very small portion of the population misinterpret the intent to be divine, but a growing number of people realize what religion is truly doing to society, and that is mass control.
If you don't believe me, then ask yourself this: Why does there have to be one person over everyone in all religions? While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure. Don't get me wrong, I think they're all unnecessary and people shouldn't rely so much on blind faith, but I wouldn't classify them all together in that regard.
But like Christianity and Islam, *** yeah: control.
Hell one of the main tenants of Islam is that freedom is a sin and since sinners must die, well you get the idea.
its what now?
Where did you get that from?
EDIT: I'm not sure if you actually know anything about Islam, but 1,436 years ago Islam ordered that slaves be freed. Do you know what the political landscape was like in Arabia 1,436 years ago? Everyone had slaves. Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
I want you to really exercise that brain of yours to think about what that means.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:16:42
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »western minds that realize the true meaning of the religion Except that we do know the true meaning of the (and all) religion(s).
Islam (nor Christianity, nor Judaism, nor Buddhism, nor any other religion out there) is not there to promote social or religious doctrines to the people, it is there to control the people in believing in a single purpose.
A very small portion of the population misinterpret the intent to be divine, but a growing number of people realize what religion is truly doing to society, and that is mass control.
If you don't believe me, then ask yourself this: Why does there have to be one person over everyone in all religions? While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure. Don't get me wrong, I think they're all unnecessary and people shouldn't rely so much on blind faith, but I wouldn't classify them all together in that regard.
But like Christianity and Islam, *** yeah: control.
Hell one of the main tenants of Islam is that freedom is a sin and since sinners must die, well you get the idea.
its what now?
Where did you get that from?
EDIT: I'm not sure if you actually know anything about Islam, but 1,436 years ago Islam ordered that slaves be freed. Do you know what the political landscape was like in Arabia 1,436 years ago? Everyone had slaves. Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
I want you to really exercise that brain of yours to think about what that means.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-20 14:32:30
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Is there 1 person over everyone else in all religions though? Yes, there is 1 person over everyone else. That's who you pray to.
1 person, 1 being, 1 creator, 1 master, and in essence, 1 controller.
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Magistrates/so on.
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
Quit talking out of your *** for once in your life, ok?
Or are you going to say that slavery, which was abolished in 1865, was still active up until 1944, 80 years after it was illegal to have slaves? Do you even know what was going on in 1944?
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:34:14
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Mag Yet there are some religions without even a god, but I digress.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:35:08
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
Quit talking out of your *** for once in your life, ok?
Or are you going to say that slavery, which was abolished in 1865, was still active up until 1944, 80 years after it was illegal to have slaves? Do you even know what was going on in 1944? Some would argue that slavery exists in another form today (in the US), but not as a direct property association.
But that's another topic.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-20 14:39:55
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Mag Yet there are some religions without even a god, but I digress. Really? Which ones? I'm sure there is a figure to press your entire being towards in those cases.
Some would argue that slavery exists in another form today (in the US), but not as a direct property association.
But that's another topic. That's because their ideas of slavery is skewed to fit their agendas.
Like those who think that Corporations rule the lives of the public.....without realizing that it is the public with the power, not the companies.....
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:42:21
There are many, but I have to go on an errand, so I'll either list them when I get back, or you can use some googlefoo.
The idea of slavery isn't skewed at all, but like I said: that's another topic.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-20 14:46:57
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Mag Yet there are some religions without even a god, but I digress. Really? Which ones? I'm sure there is a figure to press your entire being towards in those cases.
Some would argue that slavery exists in another form today (in the US), but not as a direct property association.
But that's another topic. That's because their ideas of slavery is skewed to fit their agendas.
Like those who think that Corporations rule the lives of the public.....without realizing that it is the public with the power, not the companies..... Scientology technically doesn't have a God one prays to.
Neither does science!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-20 14:47:23
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
Quit talking out of your *** for once in your life, ok?
Or are you going to say that slavery, which was abolished in 1865, was still active up until 1944, 80 years after it was illegal to have slaves? Do you even know what was going on in 1944? There's a PBS documentary that describes what he talking about.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2176766758/
Quote: Douglas A. Blackmon documents how very few of the 4 million slaves that existed at the end of the Civil War were actually allowed to realize their freedom until decades later. As the white middle class of the South grew from 1870-1950 (with the exception of some years encompassing the Great Depression), due in no small part to the success of Southern industry, the blacks were kept in their chains through various mechanisms, such as convict leasing and debt peonage, over and above the outright discrimination and violence that they also suffered.
The Southern convict leasing systems were a means of extending slavery for African Americans well past the Civil War, Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th and 14th amendments. Southern laws were crafted to guarantee that the now “free” African Americans would be incarcerated at much higher rates than whites. Blacks were picked up, hauled off and locked up for ridiculous crimes such as “vagrancy” (being homless or unemployed), loitering in public, speaking loudly in the company of white women or selling farm products after dark, to name only a few.
Once these people were matriculated into the prison system, they had effectively become slave laborers again. The state allowed convicts to be leased out to private corporations for little more than a pittance – convict laborers were rented out at monthly rates that represented a 50-80% discount over the wages paid to free laborers. They were forced to work in some of the most dangerous environments at the time, laying railroad and mining coal, and a significant percentage developed severe illness/injuries and died in the course of such work.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 14:47:28
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Is there 1 person over everyone else in all religions though? Yes, there is 1 person over everyone else. That's who you pray to.
1 person, 1 being, 1 creator, 1 master, and in essence, 1 controller.
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Magistrates/so on.
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Heck, the US had slaves 70 years ago.
Quit talking out of your *** for once in your life, ok?
Or are you going to say that slavery, which was abolished in 1865, was still active up until 1944, 80 years after it was illegal to have slaves? Do you even know what was going on in 1944? 1972 actually.
ClickmeFrom 1865 to 1875, federal troops were stationed in the south specifically to keep blacks from being re-enslaved. However, after ten years of protection the federal troops were withdrawn, leaving blacks at the mercy of their former captors. When African Americans in the south no longer had the protection of the federal troops, whites found other ways to practice involuntary servitude.
This lasted well into the 20th century, with the last state, Maryland, finally abolishing in 1972. Although slavery is commonly understood to have ended with the Emancipation Proclamation, or the Thirteenth Amendment, exhaustive research conducted by journalist Douglas A. Blackmon and reported in his Pulitzer Prize winning book Slavery By Another Name shows that thousands of African Americans were re-enslaved with shocking force and brutality after the period of Reconstruction was over.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-09-20 14:49:04
Odin is the Allfather but that doesn't mean he rules the Johtunn, Fire Giants, or Vanir. He is king of the Aesir and one of the primary worshiped deities, but again, he is not creator or supreme. Thor and Tyr were equally worshiped.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 14:52:34
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 14:54:42
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Mag Yet there are some religions without even a god, but I digress. Really? Which ones? I'm sure there is a figure to press your entire being towards in those cases.
Some would argue that slavery exists in another form today (in the US), but not as a direct property association.
But that's another topic. That's because their ideas of slavery is skewed to fit their agendas.
Like those who think that Corporations rule the lives of the public.....without realizing that it is the public with the power, not the companies..... Scientology technically doesn't have a God one prays to.
Neither does science! It would depend which scientist you ask. There are creationist scientists out there, and the split between creationist and none creationists is pretty even.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 14:55:36
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Scientology technically doesn't have a God one prays to.
Neither does science!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-09-20 15:07:57
It would depend which scientist you ask. There are creationist scientists out there, and the split between creationist and none creationists is pretty even. Unless there's been a drastic change since 1991, only 5% of scientists identify as creationists. I don't think there's been another poll since then, or at least I couldn't find it.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 15:56:04
It would depend which scientist you ask. There are creationist scientists out there, and the split between creationist and none creationists is pretty even. Unless there's been a drastic change since 1991, only 5% of scientists identify as creationists. I don't think there's been another poll since then, or at least I couldn't find it. Evolution of the term.
Creationist at the time used to refer to scientists who rejected evolution. Largely due to a steady and slow change in the vatican's stance with evolution.
Today Creationist includes those who subscribe to intelligent design, accept and reject evolution. Even Big Bang theorists can be creationists.
On the opposite end are chaos theorists.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-20 16:12:03
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Is there 1 person over everyone else in all religions though? Yes, there is 1 person over everyone else. That's who you pray to.
1 person, 1 being, 1 creator, 1 master, and in essence, 1 controller.
While the major 3 or so religions (and most, and their sects) do this, not quite all religions have a central control figure.
All polytheist religions have 1 God to rule them all. The other Gods are there as Dukes/Earls/Magistrates/so on. Er no.
"Main" Egyptian gods/goddesses changed over the course of the year based on the seasons or time period popularity.
Sumarian religion (basis for most Mesopotamian religions) had a core set of deities but each city/state decided who to worship.
Even the Greeks and Romans had variance depending on the city/state you were in or the time period.
Polytheistic religions are complicated.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:17:54
I've never looked deep into Polytheist religions (well no further than my comic book collection of Thor) but didn't some dude f_ck a wolf that gave birth to his mother?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-20 16:19:34
Which region of the world or religion are you asking about?
Because if you're asking about Fenrir....
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:22:23
Then there's the fun of the atheist religions (yes, one can be an atheist and religious, but no atheism is not a religion).
To spell it out: just because one doesn't believe in a god/gods, doesn't mean they don't have a religion, a religion isn't dependent upon deities. But I realize if that's too mind blowing for a few people out there.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:22:53
Is it Fenrir? Idk.. but somebody got it on with a K9!
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-20 16:24:43
Fenrir is brother to jormy.
Loki (fenrir's papa) nor his mom is a wolf.
Genetics don't count for much in the Norse religion
By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:24:55
Then there's the fun of the atheist religions (yes, one can be an atheist and religious, but no atheism is not a religion).
To spell it out: just because one doesn't believe in a god/gods, doesn't mean they don't have a religion, a religion isn't dependent upon deities. But I realize if that's too mind blowing for a few people out there.
Not mind blowing at all. Athiests might think they don't subscribe to christian principles in the west, but the fact is the single most influence on their existence are christian values and history.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:26:07
nvm saw your edit. ahhhh I see.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:28:18
I was talking about some of the more conservative members of our site.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-20 16:36:27
ppl often cant realize theirs a difference between belief in religion and a belief in god.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:36:56
ppl often cant realize theirs a difference between belief in religion and a belief in god. indeed.
Quote: Can Obama wage war without consent of Congress?
WASHINGTON (AP) — On the cusp of intensified airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, President Barack Obama is using the legal grounding of the congressional authorizations President George W. Bush relied on more than a decade ago to go to war. But Obama has made no effort to ask Congress to explicitly authorize his own conflict.
The White House said again Friday that Bush-era congressional authorizations for the war on al-Qaida and the Iraq invasion give Obama authority to act without new approval by Congress under the 1973 War Powers Act. That law, passed during the Vietnam War, serves as a constitutional check on presidential power to declare war without congressional consent. It requires presidents to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and limits the use of military forces to no more than 60 days unless Congress authorizes force or declares war.
"It is the view of this administration and the president's national security team specifically that additional authorization from Congress is not required, that he has the authority that he needs to order the military actions," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said. He said there were no plans to seek consent from Congress. "At this point we have not, and I don't know of any plan to do so at this point," he said.
The administration's tightly crafted legal strategy has short-circuited the congressional oversight that Obama once championed. The White House's use of post-9/11 congressional force authorizations for the broadening air war has generated a chorus of criticism that the justifications are, at best, a legal stretch.
"Committing American lives to war is such a serious question, it should not be left to one person to decide, even if it's the president," said former Illinois Rep. Paul Findley, 92, who helped write the War Powers Act.
As a U.S. senator from Illinois running for president in 2007, Obama tried to prevent Bush's administration from taking any military action against Iran unless it was explicitly authorized by Congress. A Senate resolution Obama sponsored died in committee.
Nearly seven years later, U.S. fighter jets and unmanned drones armed with missiles have flown 150 airstrikes against the Islamic State group over the past five weeks in Iraq under Obama's orders — even though he has yet to formally ask Congress to authorize the expanding war. Obama told the nation Wednesday he would unleash U.S. strikes inside Syria for the first time, along with intensified bombing in Iraq, as part of "a steady, relentless effort" to root out Islamic State extremists. Obama has not said how long the air campaign will last.
The White House has cited the 2001 military authorization Congress gave Bush to attack any countries, groups or people who planned, authorized, committed or aided the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Earnest on Thursday described the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, generally known as the AUMF, as one that Obama "believes continues to apply to this terrorist organization that is operating in Iraq and Syria."
The Islamic State group, which was founded in 2004, has not been linked to the 9/11 attacks, although its founders later pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden. In February, al-Qaida declared that the Islamic State group was no longer formally part of the terror organization. And in recent weeks, senior U.S. officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Matthew Olsen, head of the National Counterterrorism Center, have drawn significant distinctions between al-Qaida and the Islamic State group.
Earnest said Thursday that Obama welcomes support from Congress but that it isn't necessary. "The president has the authority, the statutory authority that he needs," Earnest said.
Others disagreed.
"I actually think the 2001 AUMF argument is pretty tortured," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. "They are essentially saying that ISIL is associated with al-Qaida, and that's not obvious," Himes said, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State group. "Stretching it like this has dangerous implications."
Himes supports a new congressional vote for a specific IS group authorization, as does another Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff of California.
There is wariness even from some former Bush administration officials. Jack Goldsmith, head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel under Bush, said in the Lawfare blog that "it seems a stretch" to connect the Islamic State group to al-Qaida, considering recent rivalry between the two groups.
The White House also finds authorization under the 2002 resolution that approved the invasion of Iraq to identify and destroy weapons of mass destruction. That resolution also cited the threat from al-Qaida, which Congress said then was operating inside Iraq. But the U.S. later concluded there were no ties between al-Qaida and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein or his government, and the group formally known as al-Qaida in Iraq — which later evolved into the Islamic State group — didn't form until 2004, after the U.S.-led invasion.
Obama is using both authorizations as authority to act even though he publicly sought their repeal last year. In a key national security address at the National Defense University in May 2013, Obama said he wanted to scrap the 2001 order because "we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight." Two months later, Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, asked House Speaker John Boehner to consider repealing the 2002 Iraq resolution, calling the document "outdated."
Obama has asked only for congressional backing to pay for the buildup of American advisers and equipment to aid Syrian opposition forces. House Republicans spurned a vote on that separate request earlier this week, but Boehner is now siding with the administration. The White House acknowledged it could not overtly train Syrian rebels without Congress approving the cost of about $500 million.
Since U.S. military advisers went into Iraq in June, the administration has maneuvered repeatedly to avoid coming into conflict with the War Powers provision that imposes a 60-day time limit on unapproved military action. Seven times, before each 60-day limit has expired, Obama has sent new notification letters to Congress restarting the clock and providing new extensions without invoking congressional approval. The most recent four notifications have covered the airstrikes against the Islamic State group that began Aug. 8.
An international law expert at Temple University's Beasley School of Law, Peter J. Spiro, described the letters as workarounds that amount to "killing the War Powers Act with 1,000 tiny cuts."
Former Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., who now heads the Lugar Center for foreign affairs in Washington, said Obama could ask for congressional approval in a way that would be less formal than a specific war resolution — perhaps either as an appropriations request or a simple resolution.
"It may not be the most satisfactory way to declare war," Lugar said. "But it may be a pragmatic compromise for the moment."
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