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Obamas war without congress approval
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-16 10:48:53
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel?
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 10:49:57
Mmkay, so now we have a few people who think the biblical flood is total nonsense but who think the Gilgamesh flood could be based on a real event, even though they have nothing saying that the biblical flood occurred in a different place. Does anyone here actually research this stuff, or is it just a kneejerk reaction to agree with anything that hurts the credibility of a religion they dislike? I'm not even trying to prove anything at this point, I just think it's laughable how people often don't second-guess anything that supports their own opinions. There are people who research this stuff. This poorly formatted article actually provides quite a few links.
I was referring to people in this thread, but thanks for the link. From what I've read so far, it seems like a scientific and unbiased article. Honestly I haven't read into the Epic of Gilgamesh, so I can't nor will I not form an opinion on it, however it is fact that there's no evidence of a worldwide flood, not to mention the sheer ludicrous nature of the story of Noah's Ark in general, and quite frankly I'm too absorbed in my life to do research into other fables at the moment, but if I do find the time/motivation I will definitely look into it, as it sounds most intriguing.
Between my work, school, looking for full time employment and my XI addiction and kid, I don't have time for much else.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 10:51:05
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel? The same reason we would send the national guard if we had an outbreak of something like that locally, you know our domestic troops.
But you know, go ahead and go on with your fake outrage, it's expected and hilarious.
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By Leviathan.Xsoahc 2014-09-16 10:54:13
You can't kill a virus.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-16 10:55:25
Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel?
statements like this tend to make me think that there's no way you're that dumb, & instead, the world's greatest subtle troll.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 10:55:40
Tell that to Hexadecimal.
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By Leviathan.Xsoahc 2014-09-16 10:59:12
By Vudoku 2014-09-16 11:14:19
Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel?
statements like this tend to make me think that there's no way you're that dumb, & instead, the world's greatest subtle troll. Well said, well said.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-16 11:25:58
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) He's not sending them to kill people, silly. The plan is to load the troops up in battleships and shrink them down to sub-microscopic sizes where they can enter the human body and fight the virus FROM THE INSIDE
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-16 11:27:01
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel? Because the WHO asked for some?
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/press-release/global-bio-disaster-response-urgently-needed-ebola-fight
They are asking for military or civilian biological weapons experts, since it uses similiar protocols, as far as I understand.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 11:27:21
Tell that to Hexadecimal.
Sorry I didn't get the reference. Never saw that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-16 11:28:54
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) He's not sending them to kill people, silly. The plan is to load them all up in battleships and shrink them down to sub-microscopic sizes where they can enter the human body and fight the virus FROM THE INSIDE
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 11:29:25
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel? Because the WHO asked for some?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 11:29:42
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) He's not sending them to kill people, silly. The plan is to load the troops up in battleships and shrink them down to sub-microscopic sizes where they can enter the human body and fight the virus FROM THE INSIDE
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 11:30:46
Tell that to Hexadecimal.
Sorry I didn't get the reference. Never saw that. aww, it's full of pop culture references from the 90's, give it a go, I have it ripped if you would prefer but I think you can catch it on youtube.
(That reminds me; I need to rerip it, as it was my first time ripping episodes off dvd and well it wasn't exactly clean with the title #'s).
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By Leviathan.Xsoahc 2014-09-16 11:31:41
3,000 troops and $500 million dollars to help with (not fight) Ebola.
1,600 troops and $500 million dollars to aid (not fight) rebels against IS/ISIS/ISIL.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 11:33:00
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel? Because the WHO asked for some?
Old episode is old. I don't watch the Simpsons, but John Entwhistle died back in 2002. ;;
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 11:33:04
I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50k and I'll be set.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 11:37:12
Figures that's Obama's solution to finding a cure for a virus is to kill people....
(incoming "but that's not what he is doing, he is waging war on the virus, not the people who carry it..." argument) Where in any of that did it say they were going to kill anyone? Think.
Why are you sending troops to fight a virus?
If they were all medical personnel, then why not send, oh I don't know, medical personnel? Because the WHO asked for some?
Old episode is old. I don't watch the Simpsons, but John Entwhistle died back in 2002. ;; They still tour though... that and request troops and money to combat Ebola.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-16 11:38:04
I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 11:38:08
My point is, 1/3 of the people huddling in that frame is pushing up daisies!
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 11:40:27
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you).
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 11:44:21
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 11:48:47
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
Indeed, the *** up part is I could have done it all for free 8 years ago and I messed that up. We live and we learn sir, we live and we learn.
I still am looking at finishing with less than a 50-60k debt, that's more than a lot of students can say, and that's if I keep on the path of loans, I'm looking to go back to work full time and just take a class or two at a time, as I'll at least get up and go to work, but I'm one lazy *** student.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-16 11:55:57
Quote: First U.S. airstrikes in expanded Iraq fight
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials said Monday the United States has taken the first step in its planned expanded fight against Islamic State militants, going to the aid of Iraqi security forces near Baghdad who were being attacked by enemy fighters.
The U.S. Central Command said it conducted a strike Monday in support of the Iraqi forces southwest of Baghdad. There was also an airstrike Sunday near Sinjar in northern Iraq.
The strike southwest of Baghdad represents the newly broadened mission authorized by President Barack Obama to go on the offensive against the Islamic State group wherever it is. Previous U.S. airstrikes in Iraq were conducted to protect U.S. interests and personnel, assist Iraqi refugees and secure critical infrastructure. Monday's strike was in direct support of Iraqi forces fighting the militants, hitting fighters who were firing on them.
U.S. officials said the Iraqi forces requested assistance when they came under fire from militants. Those officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the mission publicly by name.
Central Command said the Sinjar strike destroyed six vehicles belonging to Islamic State militants.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 11:56:22
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
Yeah, well. Sometimes you get bad advice from people you trust.
And sometimes the entire culture seems to push you into bad decisions.
Frankly I should never have gone to college. Should have gone into a trade.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 11:59:09
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
Indeed, the *** up part is I could have done it all for free 8 years ago and I messed that up. We live and we learn sir, we live and we learn.
I still am looking at finishing with less than a 50-60k debt, that's more than a lot of students can say, and that's if I keep on the path of loans, I'm looking to go back to work full time and just take a class or two at a time, as I'll at least get up and go to work, but I'm one lazy *** student. Yeah, I ended up graduating with over $80k in debt from college. Frivolously spending those refund checks. Good times. lol
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 11:59:38
Interestingly enough I went to college to learn a degree in a trade...
That reminds me, I forgot to make one of my stops that I meant to before I drove out to school today, ***.
Although I question working for a company that doesn't even have email, or at least their HR contact information on their website...
I should just start doing work for people again, but I'd have to figure up how much to charge while still making a profit margin to justify the amount of time...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-16 12:00:31
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
Yeah, well. Sometimes you get bad advice from people you trust.
And sometimes the entire culture seems to push you into bad decisions.
Frankly I should never have gone to college. Should have gone into a trade. Don't forget those shady people who charge money to get you the very best college loans who hold their seminars at an airport hotel.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-16 12:01:37
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I could use 3 troops and $500 million to combat my debt battles, maybe I should request more aid.
edit: *** gimme 50 bucks and I'll be set. It'd get me a tank of gas, but 50k would pay off my cc's and current student loans and I'd still have $ to spare.
I'd probably buy a used car with the rest, as mine's near the end of it's life, 300k+ miles been wrecked over half a dozen times, can barely legally keep it on the road... (not all by me mind you). Racking up debt, rather than making money and pay off that debt will do that.
Indeed, the *** up part is I could have done it all for free 8 years ago and I messed that up. We live and we learn sir, we live and we learn.
I still am looking at finishing with less than a 50-60k debt, that's more than a lot of students can say, and that's if I keep on the path of loans, I'm looking to go back to work full time and just take a class or two at a time, as I'll at least get up and go to work, but I'm one lazy *** student. Yeah, I ended up graduating with over $80k in debt from college. Frivolously spending those refund checks. Good times. lol
Well I only have about 24-30k of frivolous spending debt, about to rack up another 10k, but will be using it to keep up with cc payments and possibly get another vehicle, depending if I find a decent job. (I don't mind making payments, but will need a good down payment first).
Quote: Can Obama wage war without consent of Congress?
WASHINGTON (AP) — On the cusp of intensified airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, President Barack Obama is using the legal grounding of the congressional authorizations President George W. Bush relied on more than a decade ago to go to war. But Obama has made no effort to ask Congress to explicitly authorize his own conflict.
The White House said again Friday that Bush-era congressional authorizations for the war on al-Qaida and the Iraq invasion give Obama authority to act without new approval by Congress under the 1973 War Powers Act. That law, passed during the Vietnam War, serves as a constitutional check on presidential power to declare war without congressional consent. It requires presidents to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and limits the use of military forces to no more than 60 days unless Congress authorizes force or declares war.
"It is the view of this administration and the president's national security team specifically that additional authorization from Congress is not required, that he has the authority that he needs to order the military actions," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said. He said there were no plans to seek consent from Congress. "At this point we have not, and I don't know of any plan to do so at this point," he said.
The administration's tightly crafted legal strategy has short-circuited the congressional oversight that Obama once championed. The White House's use of post-9/11 congressional force authorizations for the broadening air war has generated a chorus of criticism that the justifications are, at best, a legal stretch.
"Committing American lives to war is such a serious question, it should not be left to one person to decide, even if it's the president," said former Illinois Rep. Paul Findley, 92, who helped write the War Powers Act.
As a U.S. senator from Illinois running for president in 2007, Obama tried to prevent Bush's administration from taking any military action against Iran unless it was explicitly authorized by Congress. A Senate resolution Obama sponsored died in committee.
Nearly seven years later, U.S. fighter jets and unmanned drones armed with missiles have flown 150 airstrikes against the Islamic State group over the past five weeks in Iraq under Obama's orders — even though he has yet to formally ask Congress to authorize the expanding war. Obama told the nation Wednesday he would unleash U.S. strikes inside Syria for the first time, along with intensified bombing in Iraq, as part of "a steady, relentless effort" to root out Islamic State extremists. Obama has not said how long the air campaign will last.
The White House has cited the 2001 military authorization Congress gave Bush to attack any countries, groups or people who planned, authorized, committed or aided the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Earnest on Thursday described the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, generally known as the AUMF, as one that Obama "believes continues to apply to this terrorist organization that is operating in Iraq and Syria."
The Islamic State group, which was founded in 2004, has not been linked to the 9/11 attacks, although its founders later pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden. In February, al-Qaida declared that the Islamic State group was no longer formally part of the terror organization. And in recent weeks, senior U.S. officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Matthew Olsen, head of the National Counterterrorism Center, have drawn significant distinctions between al-Qaida and the Islamic State group.
Earnest said Thursday that Obama welcomes support from Congress but that it isn't necessary. "The president has the authority, the statutory authority that he needs," Earnest said.
Others disagreed.
"I actually think the 2001 AUMF argument is pretty tortured," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. "They are essentially saying that ISIL is associated with al-Qaida, and that's not obvious," Himes said, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State group. "Stretching it like this has dangerous implications."
Himes supports a new congressional vote for a specific IS group authorization, as does another Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff of California.
There is wariness even from some former Bush administration officials. Jack Goldsmith, head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel under Bush, said in the Lawfare blog that "it seems a stretch" to connect the Islamic State group to al-Qaida, considering recent rivalry between the two groups.
The White House also finds authorization under the 2002 resolution that approved the invasion of Iraq to identify and destroy weapons of mass destruction. That resolution also cited the threat from al-Qaida, which Congress said then was operating inside Iraq. But the U.S. later concluded there were no ties between al-Qaida and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein or his government, and the group formally known as al-Qaida in Iraq — which later evolved into the Islamic State group — didn't form until 2004, after the U.S.-led invasion.
Obama is using both authorizations as authority to act even though he publicly sought their repeal last year. In a key national security address at the National Defense University in May 2013, Obama said he wanted to scrap the 2001 order because "we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight." Two months later, Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, asked House Speaker John Boehner to consider repealing the 2002 Iraq resolution, calling the document "outdated."
Obama has asked only for congressional backing to pay for the buildup of American advisers and equipment to aid Syrian opposition forces. House Republicans spurned a vote on that separate request earlier this week, but Boehner is now siding with the administration. The White House acknowledged it could not overtly train Syrian rebels without Congress approving the cost of about $500 million.
Since U.S. military advisers went into Iraq in June, the administration has maneuvered repeatedly to avoid coming into conflict with the War Powers provision that imposes a 60-day time limit on unapproved military action. Seven times, before each 60-day limit has expired, Obama has sent new notification letters to Congress restarting the clock and providing new extensions without invoking congressional approval. The most recent four notifications have covered the airstrikes against the Islamic State group that began Aug. 8.
An international law expert at Temple University's Beasley School of Law, Peter J. Spiro, described the letters as workarounds that amount to "killing the War Powers Act with 1,000 tiny cuts."
Former Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., who now heads the Lugar Center for foreign affairs in Washington, said Obama could ask for congressional approval in a way that would be less formal than a specific war resolution — perhaps either as an appropriations request or a simple resolution.
"It may not be the most satisfactory way to declare war," Lugar said. "But it may be a pragmatic compromise for the moment."
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