Ebola Patient Coming To U.S.
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Ebola Patient Coming to U.S.
You do realize that people in authoritative positions are not always the authority on a subject, right?
Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html
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obama smuggled it in on the backs and in the lungs of central american border crossing children so he could blame it on the republicans and win the election in november...
ebola and enterovirus = best october surprise ever
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ramyrez said: » Texas Hospital Official Apologizes for Lapses in Ebola Care Quote: In the prepared remarks, Dr. Daniel Varga, the chief clinical officer for Texas Health Resources, the medical group that oversees Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, said that “unfortunately, in our initial treatment of Mr. Duncan, despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team we made mistakes.” He added: “We did not correctly diagnose his symptoms as those of Ebola. We are deeply sorry.” ThatArticle said: Dr. Paul E. Jarris, the executive director of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, “The tools were there but the challenge is getting the horse to drink,” Dr. Jarris said, adding that the task was complicated by federal budget cuts. Funds for hospital preparedness are down by 40 percent since 2010, he said. Many health workers said that Ebola was on the radar, but that real preparation would take more than a single training exercise or an emailed brochure. Hospitals with specialty units, such as Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, where the second infected nurse was transferred Wednesday, regularly hold drills to keep up the skills that make treatment consistently safe. “There’s a big difference between knowing what to do and being really good at executing it,” said Dr. Brad Spellberg, chief medical officer of Los Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical Center. “How many times do you need to drill before there are no operational errors? That’s the next level of expertise.” It's not the responsibility of the hospitals to protect the public from Ebola, it's the responsibility of the CDC. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you BUT if an authority instructs you to do something, and you don't do it, the authority is ultimately responsible. You are personally responsible for your actions within it, but the authority is the one in charge. Ramyrez said: » Ramyrez gets it, but simple refuses to hold the CDC accountable, cause '***'s tough' or something. To which I would say, it doesn't matter if it's hard, they are paid by us for a service and they are performing that service poorly. Considering the seriousness of what we're talking about here, they should be held heavily accountable for it. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I'm responsible for my person. You are responsible for yours. Personal responsibility. You don't seem to understand what that means. I don't blame the guy who came here from Africa. Who wouldn't? You're probably at least twice as likely to live here than there. We shouldn't be allowing him to get here. Personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is the idea that human beings choose, instigate, or otherwise cause their own actions, and can therefore be held accountable for them. You could also shorten it to this: Quote: Personal responsibility is the concept that an entity is held accountable for the consequences of their actions. It sure as hell isn't responsibility for your person. What did I first imply it was? She is responsible for herself. Personal responsibility isn't responsibility for your person. It is responsibility for your actions, particularly the consequences of your actions. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » She called the authority, sought permission, and the authority gave it to her. What did you want her to do, doubt the authority? Even if you were misinformed. Even if someone told you to do it. You performed the action. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Does anyone doubt the authority is the authority? They are the ones in charge of the welfare of the rest of us.
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » It's not the responsibility of the hospitals to protect the public from Ebola, it's the responsibility of the CDC. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you BUT if an authority instructs you to do something, and you don't do it, the authority is ultimately responsible. You are personally responsible for your actions within it, but the authority is the one in charge. Person: i murdered someone Authority: oh that's my fault since I told you not to do that but you did it anyway. Why aren't all the lawmakers in jail?
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That doesn't make sense since you're essentially saying there should be zero accountability with respect to people who didn't follow protocol or listen to said authorities.
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All I hear is that this is somehow the fault of Obama and the democrats... Waiting for Amishomega to come in and say something about "this is what you get for voting democrat!"
Edit: I also think it's amazing that people tout personal responsibility and don't even comprehend what that even means...
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: » That doesn't make sense since you're essentially saying there should be zero accountability with respect to people who didn't follow protocol or listen to said authorities. There is the issue of the CDC worker who was consulted and didn't bar her from flying. And that comes down on the individual or group of individuals at the CDC who were consulted, and those people probably shouldn't have jobs in that capacity as a response. But really. If you think you even might have Ebola -- especially if you've been working with people who have Ebola -- maybe, just maybe, consider this isn't normal and is worth changing your previously scheduled plans to accomodate. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ramyrez said: » Texas Hospital Official Apologizes for Lapses in Ebola Care Quote: In the prepared remarks, Dr. Daniel Varga, the chief clinical officer for Texas Health Resources, the medical group that oversees Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, said that “unfortunately, in our initial treatment of Mr. Duncan, despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team we made mistakes.” He added: “We did not correctly diagnose his symptoms as those of Ebola. We are deeply sorry.” ThatArticle said: Dr. Paul E. Jarris, the executive director of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, “The tools were there but the challenge is getting the horse to drink,” Dr. Jarris said, adding that the task was complicated by federal budget cuts. Funds for hospital preparedness are down by 40 percent since 2010, he said. Many health workers said that Ebola was on the radar, but that real preparation would take more than a single training exercise or an emailed brochure. Hospitals with specialty units, such as Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, where the second infected nurse was transferred Wednesday, regularly hold drills to keep up the skills that make treatment consistently safe. “There’s a big difference between knowing what to do and being really good at executing it,” said Dr. Brad Spellberg, chief medical officer of Los Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical Center. “How many times do you need to drill before there are no operational errors? That’s the next level of expertise.” It's not the responsibility of the hospitals to protect the public from Ebola, it's the responsibility of the CDC. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you BUT if an authority instructs you to do something, and you don't do it, the authority is ultimately responsible. You are personally responsible for your actions within it, but the authority is the one in charge. And if the CSC is the authority for it, what authority do you have to doubt their authority? Or even the authority to judge their performance on the subject on which they are the authority? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. It's not really a "political" reason, but a "public perception" reason. Look at the way we repond to "Ebola". It helps stem the unnecessary, potentially damaging panic that will inevitably ensue.
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » And there you go again. Personal responsibility isn't responsibility for your person. It is responsibility for your actions, particularly the consequences of your actions. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » She called the authority, sought permission, and the authority gave it to her. What did you want her to do, doubt the authority? Even if you were misinformed. Even if someone told you to do it. You performed the action. If an authority gives out dangerous instructions which result in an accident, then the authority is ultimately responsible. If a superior officer directs you to bomb the wrong target, they are responsible. Yes I am. Not sure what impact that has on our conversation about her. I frequently exercise y personal responsibility by trying to make others question and loose faith in the state authority. I'm doing my part, I promise. Bahamut.Milamber said: » What, exactly, is the responsibility of hospitals then? And if the CSC is the authority for it, what authority do you have to doubt their authority? Or even the authority to judge their performance on the subject on which they are the authority? I guess for me the point is, right now, the genie's out of the lamp, so let's worry about blame later and maybe focus on getting the little *** back in there. And then maybe incinerate the lamp. Hospital dropped the ball in a few ways. And they didn't necessary have to, but it also wasn't the most egregious of errors because hindsight is 20/20. They've admitted as such and are doing their best to remedy the situation. I'm sure heads will roll somewhere in their system in relation to jobs. The nurse's error of flying when she thought that she might even maybe have a horrible disease was a massive error in judgment. Frankly one she shouldn't have had to consult anyone about, but given that she did, it exposes some serious errors in judgment by individuals at the CDC as well that needs to be remedied. But all of these things have happened. Again, authorities need to worry about any remediations later and focus on fixing the situation now. It was the only logical decision after Katrina. I mean, Bush clearly didn't care about black people. And the Superdome was the Republican answer to disaster aid. Namely getting mugged, raped and left to die.
Thank God for Obama, he'll probably just drone strike the Ebola victims. They are a threat to national security afterall.
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ramyrez said: » Texas Hospital Official Apologizes for Lapses in Ebola Care Quote: In the prepared remarks, Dr. Daniel Varga, the chief clinical officer for Texas Health Resources, the medical group that oversees Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, said that “unfortunately, in our initial treatment of Mr. Duncan, despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team we made mistakes.” He added: “We did not correctly diagnose his symptoms as those of Ebola. We are deeply sorry.” ThatArticle said: Dr. Paul E. Jarris, the executive director of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, “The tools were there but the challenge is getting the horse to drink,” Dr. Jarris said, adding that the task was complicated by federal budget cuts. Funds for hospital preparedness are down by 40 percent since 2010, he said. Many health workers said that Ebola was on the radar, but that real preparation would take more than a single training exercise or an emailed brochure. Hospitals with specialty units, such as Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, where the second infected nurse was transferred Wednesday, regularly hold drills to keep up the skills that make treatment consistently safe. “There’s a big difference between knowing what to do and being really good at executing it,” said Dr. Brad Spellberg, chief medical officer of Los Angeles County-University of Southern California Medical Center. “How many times do you need to drill before there are no operational errors? That’s the next level of expertise.” It's not the responsibility of the hospitals to protect the public from Ebola, it's the responsibility of the CDC. I know it's a foreign concept to most of you BUT if an authority instructs you to do something, and you don't do it, the authority is ultimately responsible. You are personally responsible for your actions within it, but the authority is the one in charge. And if the CSC is the authority for it, what authority do you have to doubt their authority? Or even the authority to judge their performance on the subject on which they are the authority? And who am I to question the authority? I'm the one paying the bill. Or rather having money borrowed on my behalf in order to pay the bill. Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. It's not really a "political" reason, but a "public perception" reason. Look at the way we repond to "Ebola". It helps stem the unnecessary, potentially damaging panic that will inevitably ensue. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. It's not really a "political" reason, but a "public perception" reason. Look at the way we repond to "Ebola". It helps stem the unnecessary, potentially damaging panic that will inevitably ensue. Except, it's not about benefitting any particular party on candidate. It's to stifle unnecessary panic and people jumping to idiotic conclusions.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » And there you go again. Personal responsibility isn't responsibility for your person. It is responsibility for your actions, particularly the consequences of your actions. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » She called the authority, sought permission, and the authority gave it to her. What did you want her to do, doubt the authority? Even if you were misinformed. Even if someone told you to do it. You performed the action. If an authority gives out dangerous instructions which result in an accident, then the authority is ultimately responsible. If a superior officer directs you to bomb the wrong target, they are responsible. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » So, what you are doing is exactly what you are saying she shouldn't have been expecting to do. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I frequently exercise y personal responsibility by trying to make others question and loose faith in the state authority. I'm doing my part, I promise. Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. It's not really a "political" reason, but a "public perception" reason. Look at the way we repond to "Ebola". It helps stem the unnecessary, potentially damaging panic that will inevitably ensue. Except, it's not about benefitting any particular party on candidate. It's to stifle unnecessary panic and people jumping to idiotic conclusions.
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personal responsibility [pur-suh-nl ri-ˌspän(t)-sə-ˈbi-lə-tē] (noun): the quality of seeing oneself as the cause and solutions of one's own problems unless the government can be blamed then do that 'cause 0bama.
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I don't use it incorrectly, I am personally responsibly for telling people to question their faith in authority. (we're always exercising our personal responsibility - it was tongue in cheek to your attempt to argue against a straw man)
I doubt the authority of cops frequently, that doesn't mean I ignore their lights behind me on the highway. One can still doubt their authority while they are exercising it. The point is that you completely absolve the CDC of any responsibility in the fact that this woman (whom there were responsible for watching) was told by them that she could safely get on a plane with no cause for worry. Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Ramyrez said: » In hindsight, do we wish they would have been better-trained and prepared for this? Yes. Was this something the CDC should have been pressing facilities to be ready for? Eh. Maybe? It's easy to say "yes", but prior to this people were worried about the enterovirus going around and, in all honesty, probably still should be giving some focus to that as it's likely to cause more harm to Americans than Ebola. You cannot prepare perfectly for every possible contingency. Sometimes things are going to be a reaction because something fell through the cracks. It's awful, but it's true. http://news.yahoo.com/rare-respiratory-virus-paralysis-spreads-among-us-kids-224617119.html I've heard to it refereed to as a kind of polio, the argument being that it is in the same family of pathology. Not sure to what extent it's true, but there's certainly a political reason to avoid calling it that. It's not really a "political" reason, but a "public perception" reason. Look at the way we repond to "Ebola". It helps stem the unnecessary, potentially damaging panic that will inevitably ensue. Except, it's not about benefitting any particular party on candidate. It's to stifle unnecessary panic and people jumping to idiotic conclusions. Can't wait till the gummint starts giving out FEMA trailers again, I could totally use one right about now.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » The hospital is primarily responsible for providing medical care to their patients. How can you insinuate that the hospital is responsible for keeping the public safe from Ebola when only 4 hospitals in the US are properly equipped with isolation units to do so? There are protocols for this, they weren't followed. The hospital is at fault for the 2 infected nurses. CDC will be at fault if someone got infected by the nurse on the plane, from textbooks, she shouldn't be contagious with only a small fever as symptom. So far, you can't blame CDC unless someone on the plane got infected. If nobody on the plane got infected then CDC made the "correct" call letting her take the plane. There was no Ebola in this country until the authorities allowed it to get in here in the first place. They are charged with keeping us safe, they are clearly incompetent at their jobs. EDIT: The hospital said that CDC guidelines were followed, and that additional guidance and clarity was sought. Cerberus.Pleebo said: » personal responsibility [pur-suh-nl ri-ˌspän(t)-sə-ˈbi-lə-tē] (noun): the quality of seeing oneself as the cause and solutions of one's own problems unless the government can be blamed then do that 'cause 0bama. there's the obamapologist! get him!
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » The point is that you completely absolve the CDC of any responsibility in the fact that this woman (whom there were responsible for watching) was told by them that she could safely get on a plane with no cause for worry. Direct quote "Vinson was not told that she could not fly," said the spokesperson. She was not barred from flying. She also wasn't given permission to fly (according to that quote). Should the CDC have exercised some federal statue and barred her from flying? Are they allowed to do that in this situation? What if she only had a cold? Guidelines say that she is to avoid public transit for 21 days after treating an ebola patient. She shouldn't have gone to Ohio on a plane to begin with and if she was constantly in contact with the CDC they should have emphasized that point multiple times. But there are no penalties setup for disobeying the guidelines.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » There was no Ebola in this country until the authorities allowed it to get in here in the first place. They are charged with keeping us safe, they are clearly incompetent at their jobs. The solution is to completely close your border and cancel all flights until Ebola is eradicated from the world? I hope you are aware it could have been someone from any nationality who would have transmitted it. It could have been, but it wasn't. You're right, it could end up being like the enterovirus that all the illegals brought up from Central America. That's all over the place now, kids have died from that. Do you really not see the danger here with president open borders and other liberals insisting on an America with no borders? We should take measures to keep ebola out of the country. We should also cease the ridiculousness of proclaiming it isn't a threat, or that we're monumentally prepared for it when it clearly isn't true. Obama told west Africans the other day that Ebola wasn't something you could get on a public bus. Today we're banning suspects from taking mass transit. It's just |
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