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George Takei vs Hobby Lobby
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 12:53:16
Cook your steak right and don't ruin it with sauces!
we're talking a filet here, not a ribeye.
we should be enemies.
I stand my ground. Any well-cooked, properly-seasoned prime cut shouldn't need post-cooking saucing!
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 12:55:59
Cook your steak right and don't ruin it with sauces!
we're talking a filet here, not a ribeye.
we should be enemies.
I stand my ground. Any well-cooked, properly-seasoned prime cut shouldn't need post-cooking saucing!
How is seasoning any different than sauce in that context? You're still adding artificial flavors to what is supposed to be the pinnacle of carnivorous indulgence.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-14 12:58:17
does salt & pepper count?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 12:59:21
does salt & pepper count?
Raw salt would be ok because it has functions outside of its flavor, pepper is a gray area, I guess.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 13:02:30
I really don't give a damn. Eat your steak how you want. XD
I just figured a good food debate should be at least potentially more constructive than where this thread has otherwise gone.
Not a fan of post-cooking sauces because they tend to be heavy and overpower the taste of the meat, where as proper pre-cooking seasoning enhances and compliments said flavor.
And Hollandaise sauce just overpowers the hell out of everything, coating your tongue in fat and deadening flavor.
Have your sauce, though.
Do not, however, overcook a prime cut. If you want beef jerky, buy it in the first place.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 13:06:00
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 13:06:11
I really don't give a damn. Eat your steak how you want. XD
I just figured a good food debate should be at least potentially more constructive than where this thread has otherwise gone.
Not a fan of post-cooking sauces because they tend to be heavy and overpower the taste of the meat, where as proper pre-cooking seasoning enhances and compliments said flavor.
And Hollandaise sauce just overpowers the hell out of everything, coating your tongue in fat and deadening flavor.
Have your sauce, though.
Do not, however, overcook a prime cut. If you want beef jerky, buy it in the first place.
Showing your libertarian tendencies more and more Ray
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 13:09:30
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive in nature, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
Those medications aren't aborting anything, they aren't pregnant if the embryo doesn't implant, they PREVENT pregnancy. You ambiguous use of "abortion" and misreading of the article you link are only the smallest part of your logical fallacy. A spontaneous abortion of pregnancy is called a miscarriage, your article confirms that. This is just like your misuse of infanticide and foeticide.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-07-14 13:12:47
I'll add to the confusion: in my language there is no word for miscarriage, it's called abortion too(spontaneous)!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 13:14:30
I really don't give a damn. Eat your steak how you want. XD
I just figured a good food debate should be at least potentially more constructive than where this thread has otherwise gone.
Not a fan of post-cooking sauces because they tend to be heavy and overpower the taste of the meat, where as proper pre-cooking seasoning enhances and compliments said flavor.
And Hollandaise sauce just overpowers the hell out of everything, coating your tongue in fat and deadening flavor.
Have your sauce, though.
Do not, however, overcook a prime cut. If you want beef jerky, buy it in the first place.
Showing your libertarian tendencies more and more Ray
Please. I am clearly a fascist.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 13:15:50
I'll add to the confusion: in my language there is no word for miscarriage, it's called abortion too(spontaneous)!
I'll throw my vote in with muddying the water. I've read medical documents that refer to miscarriages as "spontaenous abortions" as well.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-07-14 13:16:41
Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
By Jetackuu 2014-07-14 13:18:16
I'll add to the confusion: in my language there is no word for miscarriage, it's called abortion too(spontaneous)!
I'll throw my vote in with muddying the water. I've read medical documents that refer to miscarriages as "spontaenous abortions" as well. maybe there was some "legitimate rape" going on.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 13:19:25
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive in nature, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
Those medications aren't aborting anything, they aren't pregnant if the embryo doesn't implant, they PREVENT pregnancy. You ambiguous use of "abortion" and misreading of the article you link are only the smallest part of your logical fallacy. A spontaneous abortion of pregnancy is called a miscarriage, your article confirms that. This is just like your misuse of infanticide and foeticide.
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-14 13:19:32
Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
It's sad because in American law, the result of that debate is the difference between 1st Degree murder and 2nd Degree murder. (Basically execution and life in prison)
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-14 13:20:27
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 13:20:52
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive in nature, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
Those medications aren't aborting anything, they aren't pregnant if the embryo doesn't implant, they PREVENT pregnancy. You ambiguous use of "abortion" and misreading of the article you link are only the smallest part of your logical fallacy. A spontaneous abortion of pregnancy is called a miscarriage, your article confirms that. This is just like your misuse of infanticide and foeticide.
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
Again, in order for it to be an "abortion" the egg has to already be implanted. Nobody besides you cares about your incredible misunderstanding of basic time scales, either, adios.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 13:21:07
Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
It's sad because in American law, the result of that debate is the difference between 1st Degree murder and 2nd Degree murder. (Basically execution and life in prison)
Ehhh. More like life in prison with or without parole.
We kill so few people on death row anymore.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 13:28:00
Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
It's sad because in American law, the result of that debate is the difference between 1st Degree murder and 2nd Degree murder. (Basically execution and life in prison)
Ehhh. More like life in prison with or without parole.
We kill so few people on death row anymore.
I can't say that's a bad thing, look how many of the people on death row were proven innocent after they were executed.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-07-14 13:29:54
I like medium chunky salsa on my steaks. De-friggin-licious! Sorry, Ramyrez. But the power of salsa compels me!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 13:32:22
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive in nature, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
Those medications aren't aborting anything, they aren't pregnant if the embryo doesn't implant, they PREVENT pregnancy. You ambiguous use of "abortion" and misreading of the article you link are only the smallest part of your logical fallacy. A spontaneous abortion of pregnancy is called a miscarriage, your article confirms that. This is just like your misuse of infanticide and foeticide.
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
Again, in order for it to be an "abortion" the egg has to already be implanted. Nobody besides you cares about your incredible misunderstanding of basic time scales, either, adios.
In order to perform the procedure commonly refereed to as "an abortion" there must be an implanted egg to remove, but "abortion" is the termination of pregnancy either induced or spontaneous, and the egg does not need to be implanted for someone to be pregnant.
By fonewear 2014-07-14 13:33:45
I like my eggs scrambled (insert terrible joke here)
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 13:34:20
Maybe we're splitting hairs over the difference between " abortion" which is the termination of pregnancy and "an abortion" meaning the medical procedure people frequently seek out to induce the termination of their pregnancy (abortion).
Either way, these medications are abortive in nature, because they are capable of terminating pregnancy at it's earliest stages.
Those medications aren't aborting anything, they aren't pregnant if the embryo doesn't implant, they PREVENT pregnancy. You ambiguous use of "abortion" and misreading of the article you link are only the smallest part of your logical fallacy. A spontaneous abortion of pregnancy is called a miscarriage, your article confirms that. This is just like your misuse of infanticide and foeticide.
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
Again, in order for it to be an "abortion" the egg has to already be implanted. Nobody besides you cares about your incredible misunderstanding of basic time scales, either, adios.
In order to perform the procedure commonly refereed to as "an abortion" there must be an implanted egg to remove, but "abortion" is the termination of pregnancy either induced or spontaneous, and the egg does not need to be implanted for someone to be pregnant.
Yes, actually, the embryo does have to be implanted for it to be a pregnancy. When will you bother to learn the most basic parts of the debates you enter?
edit: terminology, an egg cannot implant regardless of medicine.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-14 13:35:03
Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
It's sad because in American law, the result of that debate is the difference between 1st Degree murder and 2nd Degree murder. (Basically execution and life in prison)
that depends on on what your definition of word is is.
By fonewear 2014-07-14 13:35:25
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Now we just need to have a debate about the meaning of spontaneous!
It's sad because in American law, the result of that debate is the difference between 1st Degree murder and 2nd Degree murder. (Basically execution and life in prison)
that depends on on what your definition of word is is.
Bill Clinton is that you ?
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By driderk 2014-07-14 13:36:30
does salt & pepper count?
EVOO, Maldon's smoked sea salt flakes, and fresh cracked pepper. That is all.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-14 13:37:57
In order to perform the procedure commonly refereed to as "an abortion" there must be an implanted egg to remove, but "abortion" is the termination of pregnancy either induced or spontaneous, and the egg does not need to be implanted for someone to be pregnant.
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By fonewear 2014-07-14 13:39:35
This thread depends on the definition of the word definition.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 13:42:30
Don't like the meaning of words Pleebo? Just change em...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-07-14 13:44:58
Can you abort hysteric pregnancy?
Wow he isn't giving up!
George Takei: What if Muslims Owned Hobby Lobby and Tried Imposing Sharia Law on Employees?
Quote: I’ve often said that these conservatives wading into the tricky waters of claiming “religious freedom” to justify breaking (or passing) laws should really be careful what they wish for. It’s advice I’d give to all of those conservatives who are celebrating the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby ruling.
And based on his brilliant response to that ruling, George Takei seems to be an individual who understands this as well.
Posting his response on the website for his play Allegiance, Takei made several fantastic points concerning not only the hypocrisy of this ruling, but the dangerous precedent it could set going forward.
Takei wrote, “The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion.”
“Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).” he continued.
And that’s the slippery slope for which this ruling potentially opens the door. Where will the line be drawn where you say to a company, “Sorry, but your religious beliefs aren’t protected?”
What if someone who owns a corporation is anti-vaccine? What if they then say it’s against their religious beliefs for their company to offer health care that covers vaccines? Based upon this Supreme Court ruling, they could theoretically be within their rights to claim that.
But the best point Takei made was in a direct shot at right-wing ignorance. He wrote, “In this case, the owners happen to be deeply Christian; one wonders whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”
As we all know, when these conservatives talk about “religious freedoms” they’re really only referring to Christianity.
He also went on to make the point that Hobby Lobby has invested in companies which produce the morning after pill and it gets much of its inventory from China, a country where forced abortions are common.
In other words, they’re blatant hypocrites.
“Hobby Lobby is not a church. It’s a business — and a big one at that,” Takei continued. “Businesses must and should be required to comply with neutrally crafted laws of general applicability. Your boss should not have a say over your healthcare. Once the law starts permitting exceptions based on “sincerely held religious beliefs” there’s no end to the mischief and discrimination that will ensue. Indeed, this is the same logic that certain restaurants and hotels have been trying to deploy to allow proprietors to refuse service to gay couples.”
Once again, he’s absolutely right.
For some reason conservatives seem to think that a lack of options equates to “more” freedom. Before this ruling, women working at Hobby Lobby had the option to have access to these contraceptives. Now they won’t.
If the owners of Hobby Lobby reject specific types of contraceptives, that’s fine. They don’t have to use them. But now their beliefs are being imposed on women who might not share those same beliefs.
Take a good look, because that’s how an employer can determine an employee’s health care coverage. Because a woman working at Hobby Lobby now can’t get health care coverage for certain contraceptives, not because she’s against them, but because her employer is.
How exactly is that respecting her religious freedoms?
Takei also points out religion is a way many conservatives have tried justifying discrimination against homosexuals. These “religious freedom” bills that essentially give businesses the right to deny service to homosexuals based on their religious beliefs.
The bottom line is, religion has no place in government or in business. If someone wants to express their religious views to others, they need to start a church – not a for-profit corporation.
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