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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-07-14 11:02:09
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So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 11:05:37
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But on topic,

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But even after the egg is fertilized, it’s still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman’s fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who’s had more than more than one period is a serial killer!

--George Carlin, gracefully combining common sense with humor. He is missed.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 11:05:58
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Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

She has to be pregnant (which requires implantation and development) AND it has to be deliberately removed. Again, if you start using the correct words, you might have some kind of argument. As it sits, you're still using sensationalized language to appeal to emotion instead of debating the facts. It's not infanticide, foeticide, or abortion.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-07-14 11:22:28
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Why are Churches tax exempt?

They are Tax Exempt, yet my tax dollars go for their protection and federal/state entitlements (of which they have many) doesn't that make them a government subsidy?

So on the grounds of my Religious Freedom, do I get to not pay taxes until the Church Exemption is removed?

I know you're being facetious, but this is the fundamental disconnect between rational people and religious people. Why are only openly religious people's freedoms acknowledged in any tangible way?
Religious organizations are not the only organizations that have tax exempt status.

Out of curiosity in which way would you like people freedom's acknowledged in a tanglible way similar to Openly religious peoples? Or just an example of how they could be.

I'd be ok if religious organizations lost their tax exempt status...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 11:30:00
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Why are Churches tax exempt?

They are Tax Exempt, yet my tax dollars go for their protection and federal/state entitlements (of which they have many) doesn't that make them a government subsidy?

So on the grounds of my Religious Freedom, do I get to not pay taxes until the Church Exemption is removed?

I know you're being facetious, but this is the fundamental disconnect between rational people and religious people. Why are only openly religious people's freedoms acknowledged in any tangible way?
Religious organizations are not the only organizations that have tax exempt status.

Out of curiosity in which way would you like people freedom's acknowledged in a tanglible way similar to Openly religious peoples? Or just an example of how they could be.

I'd be ok if religious organizations lost their tax exempt status...

I would like any interest group or lobbying group to be barred from tax exempt status and I'd like any religious interest group to be barred from lobbying in general. Legislating religious edicts is blatantly in violation of that precious first amendment we all like to champion when it applies to us. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-14 11:42:50
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Why are Churches tax exempt?

They are Tax Exempt, yet my tax dollars go for their protection and federal/state entitlements (of which they have many) doesn't that make them a government subsidy?

So on the grounds of my Religious Freedom, do I get to not pay taxes until the Church Exemption is removed?

I know you're being facetious, but this is the fundamental disconnect between rational people and religious people. Why are only openly religious people's freedoms acknowledged in any tangible way?
Religious organizations are not the only organizations that have tax exempt status.

Out of curiosity in which way would you like people freedom's acknowledged in a tanglible way similar to Openly religious peoples? Or just an example of how they could be.

I'd be ok if religious organizations lost their tax exempt status...

I don't understand the question. Freedom is simply the concept of not having external will forced upon one's person. That means only pure anarchy is true freedom.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-07-14 11:46:37
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
I don't understand the question. Freedom is simply the concept of not having external will forced upon one's person. That means only pure anarchy is true freedom.
And then ONLY if someone else doesn't take that freedom since there's nothing protecting it but yourself.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-14 11:49:22
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
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I don't understand the question. Freedom is simply the concept of not having external will forced upon one's person. That means only pure anarchy is true freedom.
And then ONLY if someone else doesn't take that freedom since there's nothing protecting it but yourself.

Not wanting to push the discussion in another direction, but this is the heart of the 2nd amendment. Weapons are tools of agency. You can't be "Free" if you're without agency in life. The philosophical underpinnings of the 2nd amendment are far greater than they're afforded time for in debates.
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By fonewear 2014-07-14 11:59:38
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

Brown or white egg ?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 12:00:20
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fonewear said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

Brown or white egg ?

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By fonewear 2014-07-14 12:01:50
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I prefer brown eggs they are delicious.

I am color blind to chicken eggs therefore not racist !
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-14 12:17:15
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I lost track of the list but I'm pretty sure I had added 'pregnancy' at some point.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-14 12:18:06
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fonewear said: »
I prefer brown eggs they are delicious.

I am color blind to chicken eggs therefore not racist !

I discriminate them both equally. Egg Beaters or gtfo.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 12:19:36
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

She has to be pregnant (which requires implantation and development) AND it has to be deliberately removed. Again, if you start using the correct words, you might have some kind of argument. As it sits, you're still using sensationalized language to appeal to emotion instead of debating the facts. It's not infanticide, foeticide, or abortion.

An aborted pregnancy (an "abortion") does not need to be deliberate/intentional.

Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

A miscarriage is by definition, a "naturally" aborted pregnancy.
Also, I meant conception, not ovulation. I misspoke.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 12:19:42
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I prefer my eggs poached, so I'd better watch out for game wardens.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-14 12:20:26
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
I prefer my eggs poached, so I'd better watch out for game wardens.

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 12:21:58
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I just had lunch but that sure does look tasty!
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-14 12:23:47
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

She has to be pregnant (which requires implantation and development) AND it has to be deliberately removed. Again, if you start using the correct words, you might have some kind of argument. As it sits, you're still using sensationalized language to appeal to emotion instead of debating the facts. It's not infanticide, foeticide, or abortion.

An aborted pregnancy (an "abortion") does not need to be deliberate/intentional.

Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

A miscarriage is by definition, a "naturally" aborted pregnancy.
Also, I meant conception, not ovulation. I misspoke.

By it's very definition, it does need to be deliberate. If it's not deliberate, it would be a failed pregnancy or miscarriage.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-14 12:23:56
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hollandaise makes everything ok.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-14 12:25:52
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Oh boy, semantic debate. This should be productive.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Women expel eggs from their body every month. If the eggs is fertilized or has become an embryo or a fetus, this is an abortion, otherwise known as an aborted pregnancy.


Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
You're all wet on this one bud. An abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo before fetal viability (that's right from wiki). Many hormonal birth controls (including the IUD) purposely alter the uterus so that fertilized eggs (if accidental ovulation does indeed occur) are rejected and cannot attach to the walls of the uterus.
source? as your statements, nor medical science or nature line up with your assertion/point of view, you yourself cited it.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Oh boy, semantic debate. This should be productive.
Most arguments are about semantics, as it changes the entire structure of the conversation...
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
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I prefer my eggs poached, so I'd better watch out for game wardens.

Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
I prefer my eggs poached, so I'd better watch out for game wardens.


Can't see the picture here, but please tell me it's Archer throwing away Woodhouse and/or Cheryl's clothes.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 12:35:15
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Siren.Mosin said: »
hollandaise makes everything ok.

Actually not a big fan. It's far, far too rich.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-14 12:37:23
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I can't eat eggs anymore :'(
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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hollandaise makes everything ok.

Actually not a big fan. It's far, far too rich.

awwwww man!

get a filet mignon, put it on an english muffin, with some hollandaise & asparagus.....

/homersimpsondrools

my god...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-14 12:41:03
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

She has to be pregnant (which requires implantation and development) AND it has to be deliberately removed. Again, if you start using the correct words, you might have some kind of argument. As it sits, you're still using sensationalized language to appeal to emotion instead of debating the facts. It's not infanticide, foeticide, or abortion.

An aborted pregnancy (an "abortion") does not need to be deliberate/intentional.

Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

A miscarriage is by definition, a "naturally" aborted pregnancy.
Also, I meant conception, not ovulation. I misspoke.

By it's very definition, it does need to be deliberate. If it's not deliberate, it would be a failed pregnancy or miscarriage.

Ok I'll revise, correct words are indeed important.

"Deliberate" doesn't solely mean by some extraneous method outside of natural human physiology (which is what I took your statement to mean). When a woman has her period, her body deliberately expels the egg.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-14 12:41:22
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Cook your steak right and don't ruin it with sauces!

...are we in the Random thread or still in the Hobby Lobby nonsense thread? ***. I've lost track.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Cook your steak right and don't ruin it with sauces!

we're talking a filet here, not a ribeye.

we should be enemies.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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Abortion - the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

She has to be pregnant (which requires implantation and development) AND it has to be deliberately removed. Again, if you start using the correct words, you might have some kind of argument. As it sits, you're still using sensationalized language to appeal to emotion instead of debating the facts. It's not infanticide, foeticide, or abortion.

An aborted pregnancy (an "abortion") does not need to be deliberate/intentional.

Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
So, Nausi, just wondering what you think when an egg is fertilized, attached, then flushed out by natural means? By your definition of the process, when would it become a miscarriage? Also, "accidental ovulation"?

EDIT: You know within the first six weeks, sometimes things get naturally "flushed out" without someone even knowing they're pregnant (by your definition). You realize this, right?

A miscarriage is by definition, a "naturally" aborted pregnancy.
Also, I meant conception, not ovulation. I misspoke.

By it's very definition, it does need to be deliberate. If it's not deliberate, it would be a failed pregnancy or miscarriage.

Ok I'll revise, correct words are indeed important.

"Deliberate" doesn't solely mean by some extraneous method outside of natural human physiology (which is what I took your statement to mean). When a woman has her period, her body deliberately expels the egg.

Deliberate - done consciously and intentionally

How can an autonomous bodily process be considered deliberate? Seriously, dude, either you have no grasp of English or you're just trolling.
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