Random Politics & Religion #00
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Random Politics & Religion #00
I'm pretty sure every law in one way or another limits personal freedoms.
Odin.Jassik said: » Phoenix.Amandarius said: » Lol you keep repeating it but you haven't backed sny of your dishonest and erroneous ckaims about the tea party being Authoritarian. Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with the Tea Party. The Tea Party, other thsn outright Anarchists and Libertarians, is the last group you could call Authoritarian. Many members of the group introduce and sponsor a bill that is authoritarian, so of course they are on the opposite end of the spectrum because you agree with the law. Face it, your team is the same as their team with a different colored jersey. Jassik has gone bye bye
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » Odin.Jassik said: » A bill designed to limit people's personal freedom and access to a legal procedure... That's EXACTLY the definition of authoritarian. It died four years ago it's about taxes paying for abortion, it has nothing to do with viagra or the tea party and it doesn't limit freedom in any way shape or form because it was never enacted Read the bill. No public funding or tax credits can be linked to any entity that provides abortions or to any federal employee or federal insurance or medical care provider. Mind you, federal dollars are already forbidden from being used for abortions except in the case of rape or to protect the life of the mother, but it also excluded those cases as well. If it had passed the Senate, it would have effectively outlawed abortions by imposing undue financial burden on any provider or individual involved in an abortion anywhere in the US. It was written, introduced, and sponsored by multiple members of the Tea Party. None of whom seem to have a problem with tax money paying for things like Viagra. Tear it apart all you want, I was asked for an example, there it is. Phoenix.Amandarius said: » I'm pretty sure every law in one way or another limits personal freedoms. And yet, only the laws that limit other's freedoms seem to be a problem? Phoenix.Amandarius said: » I'm pretty sure every law in one way or another limits personal freedoms. bills can't...since they aren't laws.... YouTube Video Placeholder
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Drama Torama said: » Say whatever you like about liberalism or the Tea Party or whatever, say they're misguided, say they're traitors, whatever Mod Approved™
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Odin.Jassik said: » Read the bill no. you said the tea party was "Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on." but the bill you mentioned as an example of authoritarianism is about taxes paying for abortion. you haven't even come close to presenting a valid argument I'm not going to waste another second pouring over a dead bill to come to the tinfoil conclusion you arrived at for who knows what reason Shiva.Nikolce said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Read the bill no. you said the tea party was "Trying to enact laws that dictate how people can live their life... Sounds dead on." but the bill you mentioned as an example of authoritarianism is about taxes paying for abortion. you haven't even come close to presenting a valid argument I'm not going to waste another second pouring over a dead bill to come to the tinfoil conclusion you arrived at for who knows what reason You don't seem to be getting it... taxes already can't pay for abortion. The bill, which Tea Party members tried to enact, would effectively ban abortion and any related care in ALL cases by placing an undue financial burden on ALL providers. A private clinic that performed abortions paid for by patients would not be able to claim ANY tax credits or deductions. And since that directly contradicts Roe v Wade, the supreme court would likely take the case if it were challenged. None of that is tinfoil, it's the specific purpose of the law, why else would they put a clause in there calling on states to enact outright bans on abortion? This isn't rocket science, man, legislators of all creeds are a lot of things, but they aren't dumb. Odin.Jassik said: » You don't seem to be getting it... taxes already can't pay for abortion. What you don't get, or refuse to acknowledge, is that by the Federal Government giving money to Planned Parenthood, it frees up the unrestricted money they have to perform such abortions. While I don't give a ***if they provide abortions at all, the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place..... But then again, what else is the government going to spend the money on, massages for hamsters? Instead of investment or actual, life-saving medical research, or even the advancement of an alternative energy source that does not pollute the world.....nope, abortions and hamster massages! Asura.Kingnobody said: » nope, abortions and hamster massages! Don't forget to call them "free". It makes people forget who's actually paying for them.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » You don't seem to be getting it... taxes already can't pay for abortion. What you don't get, or refuse to acknowledge, is that by the Federal Government giving money to Planned Parenthood, it frees up the unrestricted money they have to perform such abortions. While I don't give a ***if they provide abortions at all, the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place..... But then again, what else is the government going to spend the money on, massages for hamsters? Instead of investment or actual, life-saving medical research, or even the advancement of an alternative energy source that does not pollute the world.....nope, abortions and hamster massages! Abortions are paid for by the patient and planned parenthood is only one organization. My problem is not with tax dollars not paying for abortion, my problem is the hypocrisy of using it to subsidize the pharmaceutical companies that make abortive medications but any provider that performs abortions shouldn't even be allowed tax deductions? Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » You don't seem to be getting it... taxes already can't pay for abortion. What you don't get, or refuse to acknowledge, is that by the Federal Government giving money to Planned Parenthood, it frees up the unrestricted money they have to perform such abortions. While I don't give a ***if they provide abortions at all, the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place..... But then again, what else is the government going to spend the money on, massages for hamsters? Instead of investment or actual, life-saving medical research, or even the advancement of an alternative energy source that does not pollute the world.....nope, abortions and hamster massages! Abortions are paid for by the patient and planned parenthood is only one organization. My problem is not with tax dollars not paying for abortion, my problem is the hypocrisy of using it to subsidize the pharmaceutical companies that make abortive medications but any provider that performs abortions shouldn't even be allowed tax deductions? So, what do you suggest? We ban all funding from the federal government for everything, or just what we know is what is wrong to do? What is your answer to that? Asura.Kingnobody said: » the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place.....
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place..... Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Odin.Jassik said: » You don't seem to be getting it... taxes already can't pay for abortion. What you don't get, or refuse to acknowledge, is that by the Federal Government giving money to Planned Parenthood, it frees up the unrestricted money they have to perform such abortions. While I don't give a ***if they provide abortions at all, the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place..... But then again, what else is the government going to spend the money on, massages for hamsters? Instead of investment or actual, life-saving medical research, or even the advancement of an alternative energy source that does not pollute the world.....nope, abortions and hamster massages! Abortions are paid for by the patient and planned parenthood is only one organization. My problem is not with tax dollars not paying for abortion, my problem is the hypocrisy of using it to subsidize the pharmaceutical companies that make abortive medications but any provider that performs abortions shouldn't even be allowed tax deductions? So, what do you suggest? We ban all funding from the federal government for everything, or just what we know is what is wrong to do? What is your answer to that? What do I suggest? Dispatch the lobbyists, outlaw private campaign finance, impose congressional term limits, and redraw congressional districts based on population density instead of partisan allegiance. Then, let the system work the way it did for 150 years. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » the Federal Government has no right to even indirectly pay for such an activity in the first place.....
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: » Lol you keep repeating it but you haven't backed any of your dishonest and erroneous ckaims about the tea party being Authoritarian. Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with the Tea Party. The Tea Party, other than outright Anarchists and Libertarians, is the last group you could call Authoritarian. Shiva.Nikolce said: » maybe if I drink more this page will make sense... bbl Backread twice and it still doesn't. Air conditioners are sexist: (can't make this ***up)
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fonewear said: » Air conditioners are sexist: (can't make this ***up) YouTube Video Placeholder idot said: I got a cold, I blame it on the AC Yeah, didn't realize the AC gave her a virus.
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"Nature, you sexist ***"
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I'm shocked that someone had to research that air conditioners make people cold...
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fonewear said: » Woman logic: YouTube Video Placeholder There's so much wrong here, from both parties. Couldn't even watch the whole thing. fonewear said: » Woman logic: YouTube Video Placeholder
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So according to the comments on the video, she is citing the Articles of Confederation as the reason for someone to be driving without a license. Then screams rape when she is arrested.
Asura.Kingnobody said: » "Nature, you sexist ***" Ban nature!
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: » I'm surprised on how much restraint the officer had when talking to her while she's screaming like a maniac. If we all act insane and carry cameras or other video recording devices like that, we can get away with almost anything. In some states and Canada even murder.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: » So according to the comments on the video, she is citing the Articles of Confederation as the reason for someone to be driving without a license. Then screams rape when she is arrested. Technically speaking, those laws still stand, natural born Americans aren't beholden to the US government until they enter a citizenship agreement. So they don't have to pay taxes or surrender personal property, etc. But, they are still afforded the same freedoms, in this case, the right to freedom of movement. It's shady as crap, and just an excuse for people to be ***.
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Garuda.Chanti said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » maybe if I drink more this page will make sense... bbl Backread twice and it still doesn't. I keep waiting for rooks to come back and say he changed his position on the use of the term "mental disorder"... Odin.Jassik said: » You don't seem to be getting it... It's not a law, it wasn't this year, it had nothing to do with the tea party, and I keep waiting for you to come up with someone, anyone else who has A.) reached the same conclusion as you did about this bill and then B.) connected in some way with the tea party and then C.) clung to it like the edge of one of the lifeboats of the titanic for four years as proof of some point about authoritarianism. |
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