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Random Politics & Religion #00
 Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-06 12:56:40
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 Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 12:58:02
I think it's irrational to insist upon having another human carry your baby; even though you're physically unable to do so rather than adopting a child who desperately needs a loving home. You're not insisting in the majority of cases. You're forming a contract and you go into it willingly. You use inflammatory language to try to make your point when it's actually invalid.
I don't think you know what either of those words mean to describe that or I don't think you would have used them lol... Looks more like one of those I saw that used that way in a sentance before!
Now you're just being overly literal for the sake of of a quick jibe. You would spell it with a j...
Corrections from the frequent your/you're offender! That's not even a correct comparison nor is it even true.
 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-04-06 12:58:03
I think it's irrational to insist upon having another human carry your baby; even though you're physically unable to do so rather than adopting a child who desperately needs a loving home.
Opinions! No it isn't. What if only the mother is unfit but the father is fine? Surrogacy is fine, I'll correct my statement though since you found important to point it out: your opinion is irrational.
Seraph.Ramyrez
Serveur: Seraph
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 12:58:18
Make adoption a more appealing option for people
They could start by easing some of the idiotic restrictions.
I do know it's harder to adopt if you don't already have children, which I can see their reasoning, but it also seems extremely counterintuitive in so many ways.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 12:58:46
What if only the mother is unfit but the father is fine?
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking.
Look, make all the arguments you want for surrogancy. I think it's a vain, redundant practice when there are so many children out there that need the loving homes that these people purport to have, but that they feel are only good enough for their own genetic offspring, even if they have to use another human being to incubate that offspring.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-06 13:01:21
Seriously, what kind of human garbage do you have to be to do something like this? Liquid nitrogen flowing through the veins 'n ***.
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 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-06 13:01:37
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. *** love it when their husbands have sex with other women for procreation purposes.
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Lakshmi.Flavin
Serveur: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:01:56
Are you continuing to take the path of taking a partial quote then applying it to an argument that has nothing to do with the statement made?
What you quoted me on is in reference to Remo's personal stance on abortion.
You know how people say theyre pro choice then go all well in this case I'm actually not pro-choice which conflicts with the whole nature of being pro-choice in the first place.
I haven't commented on your article once yet so please stop quoting me in an attempt to imply that I have for further dialogue.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-04-06 13:02:27
Look, make all the arguments you want for surrogancy. I think it's a vain, redundant practice when there are so many children out there that need the loving homes that these people purport to have, but that they feel are only good enough for their own genetic offspring, even if they have to use another human being to incubate that offspring. Then why aren't you up in arms the same way for fertile people too who have their own children? It's the same thing. There are so many children waiting for adoption don't be arrogant making your own!
Same. Thing.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:03:09
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. *** love it when their husbands have sex with other women for procreation purposes.
I'm not supporting the idea.
I'm just saying that if you're going to defend surogacy by playing the "natural urge to have your own child" card, it's a slippery slope.
VIP
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-06 13:04:04
Make adoption a more appealing option for people
They could start by easing some of the idiotic restrictions.
I do know it's harder to adopt if you don't already have children, which I can see their reasoning, but it also seems extremely counterintuitive in so many ways.
That and the financial requirements being ridiculous in a lot of cases, and their pretty lax requirements for mental evaluations and background checks. It's a system that basically assumes an ideal parent already has kids, makes great money, and is mentally unstable.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:04:20
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. So wait... lol... you're for surrogacy now?
I'm not supporting the idea.
I'm just saying that if you're going to defend surogacy by playing the "natural urge to have your own child" card, it's a slippery slope. A slippery slope how?
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:04:57
Then why aren't you up in arms the same way for fertile people too who have their own children? It's the same thing. There are so many children waiting for adoption don't be arrogant making your own!
Who says I'm not? It's just not what we're discussing.
It's the same concept taken a step further in that not only are they unable to have children of their own, they're still so enamoured with their own genetics -- despite their being flawed -- that they'd rather bring in a walking, talking incubator than consider adoption.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:05:49
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. So wait... lol... you're for surrogacy now?
No, nor am I for the man sleeping with someone else, as Chaos suggested.
Caitsith.Zahrah
Serveur: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-06 13:05:58
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Seriously, what kind of human garbage do you have to be to do something like this? Liquid nitrogen flowing through the veins 'n ***.
I know. Mulling over and reading articles like these for the past couple of days has been a cascading cluster-*** of thoughts/reads. Every aspect of it is may as well be chugging something carbonated and hopping aboard the Tilt-O-Whirl.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
Serveur: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-06 13:10:50
I haven't commented on your article once yet so please stop quoting me in an attempt to imply that I have for further dialogue.
Trying to drive it back home. At this point, it seems like you're more concerned with getting under Ramy's skin than anything else.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »The idea of a surrogate isn't the problem.
It's inadvertently exploiting vulnerable, desperate women to be your breeding machine that's the problem. Women who will be treated about as well as cows on a farm for the sake of efficiency.
Leviathan.Chaosx
Serveur: Leviathan
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-06 13:12:09
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. So wait... lol... you're for surrogacy now?
No, nor am I for the man sleeping with someone else, as Chaos suggested. You suggested it, lol.
Lakshmi.Flavin
Serveur: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:14:28
Trying to drive it back home. At this point, it seems like you're more concerned with getting under Ramy's skin than anything else. Because I'm not discussing your article? It's random P&R lady... I'm arguing a differing viewpoint from his how is that being more concerned with getting under his skin? lol... Always a pleasure to have you in here hoppy.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:17:53
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. So wait... lol... you're for surrogacy now?
No, nor am I for the man sleeping with someone else, as Chaos suggested. You suggested it, lol.
I suggest that it's the "natural" thing for a man to do rather than to go with his current mate and get a surrogate.
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do or that it should be done.
I'm saying that playing "the nature's intention" card to advocate surrogacy, you're barking up the wrong tree, as nature would intend you to go mate with someone who's actually capable of doing so.
Caitsith.Zahrah
Serveur: Caitsith
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-06 13:18:00
Carry on then, Flav.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:18:53
Look, it's clear not many agree with my thoughts on the surrogacy topic, so why don't we go back to discussing the direct problem here: the U.S. outsourcing surrogacy to exploited Indian women?
Lakshmi.Flavin
Serveur: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 18466
By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:20:30
Then the dad can get someone else pregnant.
Naturally speaking. So wait... lol... you're for surrogacy now?
No, nor am I for the man sleeping with someone else, as Chaos suggested. You suggested it, lol.
I suggest that it's the "natural" thing for a man to do rather than to go with his current mate and get a surrogate.
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do or that it should be done.
I'm saying that playing "the nature's intention" card to advocate surrogacy, you're barking up the wrong tree, as nature would intend you to go mate with someone who's actually capable of doing so. Playing the "nature's intention card" on any of this is pretty moot as we don't really follow that "as nature intended" guidebook much anymore.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:24:03
Playing the "nature's intention card" on any of this is pretty moot as we don't really follow that "as nature intended" guidebook much anymore.
I agree.
Personally I think defending any action by saying it's "basic biological urges" is weak.
But people keep trying to defend surrogacy using it. *shrug*
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:27:15
Look, it's clear not many agree with my thoughts on the surrogacy topic, so why don't we go back to discussing the direct problem here: the U.S. outsourcing surrogacy to exploited Indian women? Where in the article did it mention the U.S. as the primary offender?
The two cases mentioned right off had to do with a japanese couple that divorced before the birth and even though the man still wanted the child it took two years to resolve conflicts before the process could go forward as Indian law does not allow a single man to adopt. The other was the Australian case that Zah linked us to again. granted I didn't get through the whole article but it seemed to be more about the surrogacy industry being legal but not regulated in the least causing many different kinds of problems.
So when did the U.S. become the prime focus of this article or the sole offender when it comes to surrogacy?
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Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:35:15
Found a candid gif of Flavin!
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Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 13:38:45
Found a candid gif of Flavin! So you got nothing then?
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-06 13:49:17
You have to keep in mind that Ramy is a socialist.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds.
Which means if you don't have the ability to produce a child, then instead you have to use your desire to care for another human being.
You desire to care for another human being but not wanting to adopt directly conflicts with your ability to not be able to produce one.
Why do you have the need when you don't have the ability? If you have the need then adopt.
There's no form of I don't want to adopt, but I want a child of my own.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:56:48
Nothing more for you being a picky little ***today, no.
Seraph.Ramyrez
Serveur: Seraph
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-06 13:59:21
There's no form of I don't want to adopt, but I want a child of my own.
You have to admit it's an incredibly selfish mindset.
"I have love to give, but not to that wretched cast-off child; obviously his mother didn't want him for a reason, amirite?"
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-06 14:00:49
Nothing more for you being a picky little ***today, no. How is it being picky when you seem to have completely disregarded the article you wanted to "get back to"? lol...
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