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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-21 00:27:40
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Good god, you're an expert at missing the point, but at least two people think you made sense. I shouldn't have to elaborate on jack ***since you're apparently willing to take the rest of the article at face value, but here:
FIFA Prepared to Discipline Croatia and Russia Over Fans’ Anti-Semitism
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During Croatia’s game against Brazil, fans raised up a banner that portrayed the coat of arms of the country’s fascist regime which collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. The fans’ offensive action was reported to Fifa by the anti-discrimination group known as the Fare Network.
Neo-nazi flags, there.

Even aside from waving Antisemitic symbols, there was a mention of obvious (to everyone but you) racism, which apparently is not an isolated occurrence.

Do you think it is acceptable for FIFA to deal with this behavior?
You ask a question from a quote out of context and then complain you shouldn't have to explain anything then *** no one will answer you. ok.

The first link just links back to this thread.

The second link is just some wiki list which requires further investigation on my part just so you can presumably *** some more.

Ok so far the first wiki reference is broken [58]

The second one [59] is only this:
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"They threw a banana at us and made monkey sounds," complained Zubar, who is from the French Caribbean island of Guadeloupe.

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"I've raised this issue with Vernon Coaker, the Home Office minister, and my message to Zenit fans is simple: come here to enjoy the game and you'll be welcomed with open arms.

"Come here and racially abuse black players and you will feel the full force of the law.

"Our success in tackling racism is based on a zero-tolerance approach and Zenit fans will have to abide by our tough rules."

Zenit say they and their players have taken part in several anti-racist programmes and have expressed their opposition to "all manifestations of racism".
Ok so they've recognized a problem and are taking steps to fix it in accordance with the laws.

[61] broken link.

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"It's a minority group but it's really sad - I have a good relationship with the club but this is a big disgrace," Odemwingie told BBC Sport.

The 29-year-old explained that black players are regularly subjected to insults in the Russian league but said the authorities do not act.

"Some fans treated me well at the club - only a group of supporters have shown how narrow minded they are to the world," Odemwingie said.

"Coloured players feel the open racism there and I recall a game against CSKA Moscow when their fans started the sick noises - I wouldn't have any of it and gave it back to them.

"This was widely publicised because photographers had shots of my protest but still nothing was done to curb it.

"Sadly, it's a picture of a minority group in Russia - it really makes you feel sick but that is what it is.

"You can't totally condemn the league or the people but I am a stronger individual, focusing on my career with Nigeria and West Brom now."
A small minority of fans doing it.

[63] broken link.
[64] broken link.
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Fans of two-time defending Russian champion Zenit St. Petersburg are calling for non-white and gay players to be excluded from the team.

Landscrona, the largest Zenit fan club, released a manifesto Monday demanding the club field an all-white, heterosexual team. It added that "dark-skinned players are all but forced down Zenit's throat now, which only brings out a negative reaction" and said gay players were "unworthy of our great city."

The club quickly sought to distance itself from the fans. Without directly referring to their manifesto, Zenit's coach, Luciano Spalletti, said in remarks posted on the club's website that "tolerance for me is most of all the ability to understand and accept differences."

"Furthermore, being tolerant means that you fight against any kind of stupidity," he added.
Once again small group of people causing problems.

[65]-[70] (not checking these) All about this one guy, Yaya Toure, over one incident it seems.

So based on the links that actually work, the only incidents you can refer to is a sign with a banana, people making monkey calls, and bananas being thrown from a small group of people. While authorities and team owners have been taking steps to stop it.

Wow after trying to research all your broken links, what exactly is your question now?

You said:
Do you think it is acceptable for FIFA to deal with this behavior?
No, hence why authorities and team owners have been working to curb and stop it.

Geeze man, find a hobby or something.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-06-21 00:35:51
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Fixed. Another source.

"out of context"... Sure it was.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
No, hence why authorities and team owners have been working to curb it.
So then why is it "facism" for the same action to be taken against homophobic behavior? Misread. What you wrote actually makes less sense. Just... nevermind.

And you're perhaps the last person here who could criticize anyone for being on here too much.
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-21 02:16:46
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
doesn't offend WeHo it doesn't offend anybody.
I think his point is: get the *** over it.

Personally I'd like to waterboard the loud soccer fans until they stop being obnoxious ***, but I'd like to do it to all sports fans, but I haven't heard anyone start a riot over baseball yet.
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By fonewear 2014-06-21 08:50:20
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If only we could take our passion for being offended and put it to something more useful !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-21 10:06:03
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Apparently FIFA supports the swastika.

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A display of old World Cup shirts at a shopping mall in Brazil might seem innocuous enough, but one item in particular has turned it into a controversial exhibition that has been upsetting to some visitors.

A replica of the white and black shirt, featuring a Nazi-era swastika and eagle in its crest, worn by Germany at the 1934 World Cup is in a display case in the host city of Salvador, where Germany played their first match of the 2014 World Cup. The collection is owned by a local doctor and has been endorsed by the city's World Cup organizing committee, which has the backing of FIFA.

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When visitor Rolf Zettel took a closer look of a white football shirt with a silver Nazi-era swastika on it, he couldn't believe: "Is this a joke or what? Germany 1934, a despicable time."

The Swiss fan from Fribourg was looking at a replica of a German 1934 World Cup shirt. "Is this OK? No it's not OK," Zettel said.

In Germany, displaying swastikas is a punishable offense.

The collection also includes a black shirt with Fascist symbols worn by Mussolini's Italy at the 1938 World Cup and Israel's 1970 shirt, which Sampao claims is evidence of there being "no political involvement" with the exhibition.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-21 10:28:53
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ITT: sports fans behaving badly.

/yawn

I honestly don't understand how American sports fans can possibly hope to compete with world soccer* fans in fervor and rabid fanboyisim.

After all, soccer fans are willing to kill and die for their teams.

In light of that want to go over the last few pages?

*Just found out that soccer is a British word.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2014-06-21 14:46:24
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SOCCER IS A PANSY SPORT, ONLY REAL MEN PLAY AMERICAN FOOTBALL.

'MURICA!

....carry on.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-06-21 14:53:19
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Apparently FIFA supports the swastika.

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A display of old World Cup shirts at a shopping mall in Brazil might seem innocuous enough, but one item in particular has turned it into a controversial exhibition that has been upsetting to some visitors.

A replica of the white and black shirt, featuring a Nazi-era swastika and eagle in its crest, worn by Germany at the 1934 World Cup is in a display case in the host city of Salvador, where Germany played their first match of the 2014 World Cup. The collection is owned by a local doctor and has been endorsed by the city's World Cup organizing committee, which has the backing of FIFA.

From The AP:

When visitor Rolf Zettel took a closer look of a white football shirt with a silver Nazi-era swastika on it, he couldn't believe: "Is this a joke or what? Germany 1934, a despicable time."

The Swiss fan from Fribourg was looking at a replica of a German 1934 World Cup shirt. "Is this OK? No it's not OK," Zettel said.

In Germany, displaying swastikas is a punishable offense.

The collection also includes a black shirt with Fascist symbols worn by Mussolini's Italy at the 1938 World Cup and Israel's 1970 shirt, which Sampao claims is evidence of there being "no political involvement" with the exhibition.
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if simply showing a swastika qualifies as support for the nazi party, i think we need a war crimes trial for the history channel.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-21 15:43:06
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Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters.

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Using his strongest language to date, Pope Francis told Italian Mafia members Saturday that they are excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

“Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the Mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated," Francis said.
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By fonewear 2014-06-22 08:37:22
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Pope excommunicates Italian mobsters.

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Using his strongest language to date, Pope Francis told Italian Mafia members Saturday that they are excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

“Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the Mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated," Francis said.

My favorite Italian stereotype excommunicated. Heads will roll!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-22 16:34:13
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Jetackuu said: »
I think his point is: get the *** over it.

My grandmother had a saying for babies who cry/whine too much.

"Crying is good for the lungs."
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-22 16:41:13
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I think his point is: get the *** over it.

My grandmother had a saying for babies who cry/whine too much.

"Crying is good for the lungs."
yeah, I've known my kid has strong lungs early on, was happy as mine are kinda ***.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-22 16:55:36
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Don't you need like a letter or a plaque to be officially "Excommunicated" from the church?

And how do they enforce excommunication, do Churches have a bouncer?
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-22 17:01:40
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Doesn't that go against the whole forgiveness thing again?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-06-22 17:25:07
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I don't think murder is one of those things that gets forgiven easily. Well, unless Johnnie Cochran is your lawyer.
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-22 17:25:54
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I don't think murder is one of those things that gets forgiven easily. Well, unless Johnnie Cochran is your lawyer.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-06-22 19:45:23
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If the U.S. were like Skyrim, there would be another Civil War between Democrats and Republicans, if Democrats won, the exiled Republican governors would move into John Boehner's living room whereas if the Republicans won, the exiled Democrat governors would move into Nancy Pelosi's basement.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-22 19:54:45
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Anna Ruthven said: »
If the U.S. were like Skyrim, there would be another Civil War between Democrats and Republicans, if Democrats won, the exiled Republican governors would move into John Boehner's living room whereas if the Republicans won, the exiled Democrat governors would move into Nancy Pelosi's basement.

And I would use perfect touch to undress them all.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-06-22 19:56:30
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
If the U.S. were like Skyrim, there would be another Civil War between Democrats and Republicans, if Democrats won, the exiled Republican governors would move into John Boehner's living room whereas if the Republicans won, the exiled Democrat governors would move into Nancy Pelosi's basement.

And I would use perfect touch to undress them all.
They'd all be essential.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-22 21:08:50
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I keep being impressed with Rand Paul more and more.

Rand Paul: Blame *** Cheney for Iraq violence, not Obama


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Paul said those who have questioned the president's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"

"Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many," wrote the former vice president in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal this week.

But the response -- from Paul and other critics of the 2003 invasion who preach caution in response to the recent violence -- has been equally loud and clear: You're kidding, right?

"That is sick, when you really look back at the record," Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said of Cheney's criticism Sunday on "Face the Nation."
And more. read the article, its a zinger.

Pity that Rand is unelectable.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-06-22 21:12:21
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Don't you need like a letter or a plaque to be officially "Excommunicated" from the church?

And how do they enforce excommunication, do Churches have a bouncer?

I'm sure all those mobsters are going to suddenly stop their murderous activities because the Pope said some ***.
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Another good Christian pervert.

Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe

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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors

On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-06-23 09:25:32
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert.

Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe

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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors

On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
Far more public education perverts than christian perverts you know!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-23 09:32:01
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert. Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe
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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors
On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
Far more public education perverts than christian perverts you know!

Implying that they're mutually exclusive?

Far too many sick people in general, regardless of their vocation.

The point here is more the inherent irony of someone who (presumably) pushes good Christian values on the airwaves being caught in...not-so-good-Christian behavior.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-06-23 09:45:53
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert.

Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe

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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors

On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.

does anyone else wait to see if jet can still post after these stories come out?

also, excommunication is easy. I was excommunicated... you are thinking of sainthood which is a rather long and drawn out process...

you aren't welcomed in church if you are excommunicated, they enforce it with gossip.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-23 09:46:56
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert. Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe
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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors
On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
Far more public education perverts than christian perverts you know!

Implying that they're mutually exclusive?

Far too many sick people in general, regardless of their vocation.

The point here is more the inherent irony of someone who (presumably) pushes good Christian values on the airwaves being caught in...not-so-good-Christian behavior.
I think Nausi's point is, while there are many perverts out there, why are people only picking on one group?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-23 10:03:20
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert. Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe
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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors
On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
Far more public education perverts than christian perverts you know!
Implying that they're mutually exclusive? Far too many sick people in general, regardless of their vocation. The point here is more the inherent irony of someone who (presumably) pushes good Christian values on the airwaves being caught in...not-so-good-Christian behavior.
I think Nausi's point is, while there are many perverts out there, why are people only picking on one group?

Well, as I said. It's largely vindictiveness that they've brought upon themselves. When you see a group generally disparging another group or groups (in this case, most Christian media outlets parrot the worse of what Christian bigotry has to offer), there's certainly a feeling of, "Hey; what was that you were saying about us being immoral, perverted worms, you sick ***?"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-23 10:21:23
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Another good Christian pervert. Christian radio host in Michigan busted in child sex probe
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John Balyo, 35 — the morning host on WCSG, based in Grand Rapids — was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct after an investigation found he had paid for sex with minors
On excommunication, it means that they can't accept the Host nor can they confess. I must admit that it is highly unusual to excommunicate a group, its almost always been individuals since the time of the great schism.
Far more public education perverts than christian perverts you know!
Implying that they're mutually exclusive? Far too many sick people in general, regardless of their vocation. The point here is more the inherent irony of someone who (presumably) pushes good Christian values on the airwaves being caught in...not-so-good-Christian behavior.
I think Nausi's point is, while there are many perverts out there, why are people only picking on one group?

Well, as I said. It's largely vindictiveness that they've brought upon themselves. When you see a group generally disparging another group or groups (in this case, most Christian media outlets parrot the worse of what Christian bigotry has to offer), there's certainly a feeling of, "Hey; what was that you were saying about us being immoral, perverted worms, you sick ***?"
I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

I think Christians deserve the scrutiny they are receiving, especially about their priests and other "holy men" and their fascination of little boys.

What is the saying? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." So, stones are being cast, and then boulders are being thrown back. Serves them right.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-06-24 20:36:20
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I think Nausi's point is, while there are many perverts out there, why are people only picking on one group?
Because these are the people who claim to be more moral than the rest of us.

And a few of them lie to gain access to their victims. So do a few teachers, scout leaders, and football coaches its true, but the Christians CLAIM to be more moral.

I hardly think renting 12 year old boys is moral.

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
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