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 Shiva.Nikolce
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-01-22 12:18:15
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Ramyrez said: »
Mmmm.

Nope.

so you're going to be one of those whiners with the "don't blame me... I voted for bernie sanders" bumper stickers sulking for eight years... pissing... moaning

so kinda like the last eight only 135% more snarky

can't wait
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-22 12:48:18
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Mmmm.

Nope.

so you're going to be one of those whiners with the "don't blame me... I voted for bernie sanders" bumper stickers sulking for eight years... pissing... moaning

so kinda like the last eight only 135% more snarky

can't wait

I want to bleach the eyeballs of anyone who puts bumper stickers for anyone or anything on their car.

Stop *** up a perfectly good vehicle with misaligned overpowered adhesive ***. Your car doesn't deserve that kind of mistreatment.

Invest in static stickers and magnets or keep your shitty opinion to yourself.

In fact, forget the magnets and static stickers, no one was ever convinced to changed their mind from a bumper sticker anyhow.

As for who I'm voting for...meh. Maybe I'll write-in Alfred E. Neuman.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-01-22 12:52:24
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Ramyrez said: »
Maybe I'll write-in trump.

fine...I'll just change it to trump when you aren't looking
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-22 13:12:14
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Conservative Magazine lines up against Trump

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National Review, the conservative magazine founded by William F. Buckley, published a special issue on Friday opposing Donald Trump's bid for the presidency.

The cover -- with the headline "Against Trump" -- was tweeted by the magazine on Thursday night.

The issue features a blistering editorial that labels Trump a threat to conservatism, as well as essays by 22 prominent conservative thinkers from various ideological factions, in opposition to Trump's candidacy.

"Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot on behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as The Donald himself," the editorial states.

Read all National Review essays

GOP responds by banning National Review from debate

Looks like its getting testy over there.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-22 13:41:15
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The Establishment GOP is starting to back Trump and that is giving Cruz the opportunity to claim the Conservative position. Gonna be an interesting next few weeks.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-01-22 13:43:46
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Altimaomega said: »
The Establishment GOP is starting to back Trump

I think it would be more accurate to say that... they aren't willing to spend the kind of money they realize would be necessary to beat trump.

and don't want to be running for the caboose when the train leaves the station
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-22 15:33:41
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Republicans Hate Ted Cruz So Much, They’ll Blow Donald Trump Just To Make A Point
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Look, we hate Ted Cruz. We talk about it often. Democrats hate him, not because he’s threatening in the electoral way, but because he’s a pompous sack of Canadian goose droppings with absolutely no breeding, the kind of man who thinks it’s funny to make “jokes” about Joe Biden the same week his son died.

What’s funnier is how all his fellow Republicans hate him too. John McCain, how would you like to defend your “friend” Ted from charges that he is a Cuban infiltrator from Calgary intent on ruining our American way of life? Haha, the Panamanian John McCain will PASS. Mitch McConnell? *** no. Carly Fiorina? She wishes Ted Cruz actually loved America, THAT’S ALL.

So let’s pile on some more. Here is former Republican presidential candidate and Viagra eater Bob Dole, to explain what happens to his medically induced erection when he sees Ted Cruz’s punchable face:

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“I question his allegiance to the party,” Mr. Dole said of Mr. Cruz. “I don’t know how often you’ve heard him say the word ‘Republican’ — not very often.” Instead, Mr. Cruz uses the word “conservative,” Mr. Dole said, before offering up a different word for Mr. Cruz: “extremist.” […] (you know its got to be a REALLY bad word when a rag this gleefully obscene won't print it.)

“And then, of course, he doesn’t have any friends in Congress. He called the leader of the Republicans a liar on the Senate floor.”
Dole added that Hillary Clinton would “win in a waltz” against Ted Cruz, which either means he thinks she would beat him for president, or maybe it means old people like Bob Dole have waltzing competitions while they’re waiting for the *** pills to kick in. Regardless, it means Ted Cruz *** sucks.

Of course, this is not the first time Dole has said things like this. He has made his hatred for Ted Cruz just about as public as every other human being in America does.

What’s even HILARIOUS-er about it is that Republican establishment old timers like Dole are absolutely terrified of Donald Trump too, but they’re willing to take a chance, as long as it means the long form douchebag birth certificate of Rafael “Ted” Cruz doesn’t get anywhere near the Oval Office:

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The only person who could stop Mr. Cruz from capturing the nomination? “I think it’s Trump,” Mr. Dole said, adding that Mr. Trump was “gaining a little.”

He said he had met Mr. Trump only once, 30 years ago. “But he has toned down his rhetoric,” he added. As for Mr. Cruz, he said: “There’ll be wholesale losses if he’s the nominee. Our party is not that far right.”
Oh yes it is, Bob Dole. But we’re still enjoying reading all these words about Cruz being a piece of ***!

Let’s hear from a Republican operative, who would like to say Donald Trump may be gross and nasty and terrible, but at least he’s not that foreign-born cow turd Ted Cruz:

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Cruz has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in D.C., whereas Trump hasn’t, and Trump up until this year was pretty much a player,” said Craig Shirley, a longtime GOP strategist and charter member of the establishment. “Ultimately, the Washington establishment deep down — although they find Trump tacky or distasteful — they think that they ultimately can work with him. Deep down, a lot of people think it is an act.”
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Another former Republican Senate majority leader, Trent Lott (R-Miss.), said the same day that he, too, would take Trump over Cruz. That came a day after Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, the longest-serving governor in the nation, broke his longstanding neutrality to encourage caucus-goers to vote against the Texas senator.
Whew boy, this is fun.

It’s not that we’re quoting a bunch of people saying they hate Ted Cruz just because we loathe him and think it’s funny, though that’s part of it. The actual point is that if Ted Cruz were on fire, Republicans would roast marshmallows wrapped in Canadian bacon and feed them to Donald Trump, out of spite.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-01-22 18:11:36
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Has this been posted yet? lol

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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-01-22 19:07:42
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5 dead in a Canadian school shooting, shooter has been caught

He's a student at the high school (Dene High School) in La Loche
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-01-22 21:32:12
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Altimaomega said: »
The Establishment GOP is starting to back Trump and that is giving Cruz the opportunity to claim the Conservative position. Gonna be an interesting next few weeks.

What establishment GOPer is backing Trump? One senator compared the two as being shot or being poisoned. Not really an endorsement. Seems more like the establishment thinks they are both terrible candidates.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-22 22:50:05
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
I think it would be more accurate to say that... they aren't willing to spend the kind of money they realize would be necessary to beat trump.
It is far too late for any challenger from the establishment to show up now, doesn't matter if he had a few billion dollars and the media backing him.

Shiva.Nikolce said: »
and don't want to be running for the caboose when the train leaves the station
Totally agree with this part.

Shiva.Viciousss said: »
What establishment GOPer is backing Trump? One senator compared the two as being shot or being poisoned. Not really an endorsement. Seems more like the establishment thinks they are both terrible candidates.

Chanti answered that.. If you can bear reading that rag she posted. It is fairly accurate however. Anyone the Establishment GOP hates is getting my vote.

Edit: And the whole Birther thing is *** hilarious! I rarely swear on these forums but it is deserved here!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-01-22 23:23:38
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Chanti didn't answer it at all, Bob Dole doesn't support Trump and one other former politician said he would take Trump over Cruz but didn't say he supported Trump. So no, we haven't seen anyone from the establishment come out and endorse Trump.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-22 23:59:40
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Chanti didn't answer it at all, Bob Dole doesn't support Trump and one other former politician said he would take Trump over Cruz but didn't say he supported Trump. So no, we haven't seen anyone from the establishment come out and endorse Trump.

I know it is hard for you, but please.. Try and learn the nuances of the English language.

Altimaomega said: »
The Establishment GOP is starting to back Trump

I did not say "support" and I surely didn't mean Endorse. But hey, if you really want to know for yourself you should hop on over to that Google thing you are always talking about and give it a "Bob Dole supports Trump" Don't hurt yourself okay..
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-01-23 08:42:50
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I'm not sure how you glean "the establishment is starting to back Trump" after the National Review, a hardcore establishment magazine, releases a full issue dedicated to rallying against Trump, 22 different vetted conservatives each writing a manifesto as to why Trump is terrible for the GOP. But I'm sure there is an explanation.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-23 10:16:50
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Of course there is an explanation.

Cruz is seeing as hurting the party more than Trump if he becomes the candidate. And both Cruz and Trump are narrowing it down to a two person race.

This article explains it fairly well:

Ted Cruz’s Assad Strategy

Why the Texas senator wants the GOP primary to be a choice between him and Donald Trump.

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-01-23 10:41:39
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I've never seen a state of politics where the republican party is actively trying to sabotage the top two front runners.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-23 12:20:09
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I've never seen a state of politics where the republican party is actively trying to sabotage the top two front runners.
Nor have I.

Its a good thing I stocked up on popcorn.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-23 14:23:15
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I'm not sure how you glean "the establishment is starting to back Trump" after the National Review, a hardcore establishment magazine, releases a full issue dedicated to rallying against Trump, 22 different vetted conservatives each writing a manifesto as to why Trump is terrible for the GOP. But I'm sure there is an explanation.

You do realize The GOP Establishment is different than the Conservative movement right? You do realize TWO Different groups of republicans exists right now right? I swear I've had this conversation with you before.

Trump and Cruz are not establishment do you not know this? Even the mention on Trump getting even a little bit of their support is bad for him.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-23 14:50:13
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
5 dead in a Canadian school shooting, shooter has been caught

He's a student at the high school (Dene High School) in La Loche
More on this from newser:

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The gunman who opened fire at a high school in La Loche, Saskatchewan yesterday killed his two brothers first, according to the remote town's acting mayor, who lost his own daughter in the shooting. "He shot two of his brothers at his home and made his way to the school," Kevin Janvier tells the AP. "I'm just so sad." He says 23-old teacher Marie Janvier, who was shot dead at La Loche Community School, was his only child. At a Friday night press conference, a police spokeswoman confirmed that the death toll is four and a male suspect is in custody, though she didn't confirm the number of wounded or the identities of the victims, the CBC reports.

Janvier tells CTV that the alleged shooter, who was arrested outside the school 45 minutes after police were called at around 1pm Friday, is under 21. The Saskatoon StarPhoenix reports that according to a student, the suspect made a chilling post on social media before the shooting. "Just killed 2 ppl," he wrote. "Bout to shoot ip the school." A crisis team of tribal elders and professionals is on its way to the aboriginal community, reports the StarPhoenix, which notes that La Loche and the surrounding area has the highest suicide rate in the province, with 43.4 suicide deaths per 100,000, more than triple the Saskatchewan average. According to the National Post, Friday's incident is believed to be the worst-ever shooting at a high school in Canada.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-01-23 21:52:10
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Is this true?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-01-23 21:58:40
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Its true that the federal gov't owns that land but its not illegal.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-01-23 22:45:32
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
5 dead in a Canadian school shooting, shooter has been caught

He's a student at the high school (Dene High School) in La Loche

These things only happen in the United States though. Fu'king NRA.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-24 00:03:05
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Is this true?

Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Its true that the federal gov't owns that land but its not illegal.

While its true they own the land and it technically isn't illegal, that is not how it was suppose to work.

The government is to cede control of that land to the states if the states want control over it. Then you run int other issue of federal land considered to be Protected for wildlife and forest and such. Which is fine for conservation and all. However, The federal Government is literally running off people and forcing them to sell the land directly to the federal government so they can add it to the Protected federal land.

It is a massive cluster and the states need to stand up for their rights and the rights of its citizens. The Federal Government has no business maintaining the land rights to that amount of land, the laws they are using to keep it are being abused and anyone who takes the time to look into can see that.

TLDR.. The federal government is only technically allowed to own Protected reserves. And that law was passed for conservation.
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So I heard you guys like billionaires running for prez

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Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg is reportedly weighing a third-party presidential bid in the light of missteps by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the surge in support for Bernie Sanders, and the unanticipated rise of Donald Trump in the Republican party.

Bloomberg has directed advisers to draw up plans for an independent campaign, according to the New York Times, a repeat of the exploratory moves the billionaire and former Salomon Brothers trader made in 2008. At that time, Bloomberg concluded he could not win. Sources “familiar with his thinking” confirmed the report about his plans to the Associated Press and Reuters.

However, he has recently indicated to Times’ sources that he is willing to spend at least $1bn of his $37bn fortune on a campaign – should the indications of a win are positive.

Last summer, aides told the Guardian of a similar plan but said that it had gained little traction and had been shelved.

Bloomberg, 73, has set a deadline for making a final decision in early March, according to the report. The deadline would put his decision close to the cut-off for an independent candidate to qualify for the ballots in all 50 states.

Rumors about a Bloomberg campaign have swirled for years, most prominently when he wound down his third term as mayor of New York. He switched his party affiliation from Republican to independent in 2007.

In December, Bloomberg, who is known to rely highly on data to make policy decisions, commissioned a poll to gauge support for him against Trump and Clinton. Another poll is due after the New Hampshire primary on 9 February.

Early plans for a campaign include presenting himself as a bipartisan problem-solver in a series of policy speeches and a massive TV advertising campaign. A member of Bloomberg’s advisory team told the paper the former mayor believes voters want “a non-ideological, bipartisan, results-oriented vision” that is not being offered in the race to date.

An independent candidate has never won the presidency, though they have shaped elections for their rivals. In 1912 former president Theodore Roosevelt ran a popular campaign but split the votes of progressives and Republicans, helping Democrat Woodrow Wilson to victory.

More recently, Texas businessman Ross Perot has been credited with helping Bill Clinton win the presidency in 1992, and Ralph Nader has been accused of siphoning off votes for Democrats and helping turn the 2000 election in Republican George Bush’s favor.

In private, Bloomberg has vented his frustration with the current candidates, according to the report, and expressed the view that a Sanders-Trump match-up would present a clear opportunity for a third-party candidate. In 2012, he endorsed Barack Obama, and sources told the Associated Press that Bloomberg has a cordial relationship with Clinton despite his doubts about her campaign’s strength.

Bloomberg has apparently described Clinton as a flawed politician whose campaign is in jeopardy from the continuing investigation into emails on her home computer server while she served as secretary of state.

Former Democratic National Committee chairman Edward Rendell, told the paper a Bloomberg candidacy would be competitive in the event that wild-card candidates like Trump and Sanders prevail in the primaries.

Bloomberg’s success, he said, rests “on the not-impossible but somewhat unlikely circumstance of either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz versus Bernie Sanders”. But he also predicted Bloomberg would not enter the race if Clinton, despite shifting to the left, wins the Democratic nomination.

“Mike’s not going to go on a suicide mission,” he said.

But there are already fears that a Bloomberg insurgency would likely damage a Democrat candidate more than a Republican.

Last weekend, Trump described Bloomberg as “friend” and “a great guy”. Bloomberg, who established strict gun control as one of his mayoral policy positions, has not returned the compliment. He is said to find Trump’s positions on immigration unpalateable.

Aides also told the paper any decision would not be dependent on Clinton’s fortunes alone but “the fact is Hillary Clinton is behind in Iowa and New Hampshire. That should scare a lot of people – and it does.”
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By fonewear 2016-01-24 08:07:08
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Did you guys miss Snowmageddon ? It has been on every news channel on TV. 3,000,342 people died because of 12 inches of snow !
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Has this been posted yet? lol

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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
So I heard you guys like billionaires running for prez
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I posted the NY times on that under third party follies.

And its not that we like billionaires running for president, just they seem to have the egos to do it.
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Is this true?

Clause 17 establishes the District of Columbia as exclusively federal territory for the purposes of national governance. The part about the states having to agree refers to Maryland and Pennsylvania, who both had to give up land in the process. There's actually very good reason why DC exists, federal laws supersede state laws, and it would be impossible to legally govern all states while within the jurisdiction of a single state.

Federal land ownership has existed since the US has. Most of that time, nobody wanted the land, anyway. The government was giving it away to anyone who would make improvements to it (homesteading), and until the formation of the national park system, there wasn't even a mechanism for retaining it if someone wanted it unless it was developed for some purpose like an army base.

Basically, anything you find in an infographic on Facebook is ***. It's not even clause 17.

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To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
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Jassik said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
Is this true?

Clause 17 establishes the District of Columbia as exclusively federal territory for the purposes of national governance. The part about the states having to agree refers to Maryland and Pennsylvania, who both had to give up land in the process. There's actually very good reason why DC exists, federal laws supersede state laws, and it would be impossible to legally govern all states while within the jurisdiction of a single state.

Federal land ownership has existed since the US has. Most of that time, nobody wanted the land, anyway. The government was giving it away to anyone who would make improvements to it (homesteading), and until the formation of the national park system, there wasn't even a mechanism for retaining it if someone wanted it unless it was developed for some purpose like an army base.

Basically, anything you find in an infographic on Facebook is ***. It's not even clause 17.

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To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-01-24 10:53:26
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fonewear said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Has this been posted yet? lol

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