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Random Politics & Religion #00
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Random Politics & Religion #00
John Oliver had a pretty good segment a few months back that looks into some of the misconceptions and stuff on wasted food, expiration dates, etc
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Jetackuu said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » What I'm trying to get at is this has little to nothing to do with consumer safety and almost everything to do with selling more product by making it appear more perishable than it really is. I did like however when people complained about the doughnuts that 7-11 throws away daily. Seriously, those things are barely edible when fresh, they're not fit for human consumption after they've been in the case all day. I think the intent is more about making money and less about trying to cause harm. The laws support their ways so they aren't breaking any laws (although they may have lobbied to get those laws into effect lol). Still, not a "conspiracy" because no laws were broken that I know of and their intent was not to harm consumers... that would just be silly because harming customers is bad for business. (unless you sell band-aids) So Catalonia voted to secede from Spain, but it was blocked and denied.
While I'm not in favour of secessions(despite being even somewhat related to this one), I'm not sure I find this even fair so I bring forth this question. What makes constitutions unchangeable? Isn't the population sovereign? Why is it that after a constitution is written, often it can only be overruled with force cause the democratic vote is ignored? I would bring up the case of Crimea too, but some would wager that things are fishy there so I guess we would waste time. Again, I clarify that it's not even something I want as I made clear a few times that I'm actually in favour of a more united world, and not divided. And also cause they don't wanna bring back monarchy so I can't rise to power!
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Valefor.Sehachan said: » What makes constitutions unchangeable? we've changed ours 15 times.
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Valefor.Endoq said: » It's only a "conspiracy" if the intent was to secretly break a law or do harm.... The word 'conspiracy' simply means two or more people talk about something. Happens all the time.
Garuda.Chanti said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » It's only a "conspiracy" if the intent was to secretly break a law or do harm.... It is conspiracy only if the intent is to cause harm or break a law... Source:Dictionary That's not what it means. It's a secretive agreement or combined effort between people towards a common goal. And in context(cause that's all that matters) it's harmful or unlawful.
edit: at Skjallf. About what Chanti said, the act of planning the surprise party is a conspiracy(though colloquially no one would use that word, aside from jest). Valefor.Sehachan said: » While I'm not in favour of secessions(despite being even somewhat related to this one), I'm not sure I find this even fair so I bring forth this question. What makes constitutions unchangeable? Isn't the population sovereign? Why is it that after a constitution is written, often it can only be overruled with force cause the democratic vote is ignored? I would bring up the case of Crimea too, but some would wager that things are fishy there so I guess we would waste time. Skjalfeirdotter said: » The word 'conspiracy' simply means two or more people talk about something. Happens all the time.
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It's kinda true that the Basques would like to be on their own too. That wouldn't leave much of Spain left!
Valefor.Sehachan said: » That's not what it means. It's a secretive agreement or combined effort between people towards a common goal. And in context(cause that's all that matters) it's harmful or unlawful. edit: at Skjallf. About what Chanti said, the act of planning the surprise party is a conspiracy(though colloquially no one would use that word, aside from jest). It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well. Valefor.Endoq said: » You have "plan" confused with "conspiracy". It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well.
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Valefor.Endoq said: » You have "plan" confused with "conspiracy". It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well. Conspire, scheme, plan can be synonymous.
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ISIS released a video today named "You Shall be Disappointed and Humiliated O Russians" where a 'Russian spy' is on his knees in front of a Russian jihadist. CNN says the man confesses to working for SVR (I think that's the one) before he is beheaded
I'm curious, does the Italian word for conspiracy have a somewhat different implication? When I hear conspiracy, the very first thing I think of is Julius Caesar, the fun-for-all-ages play by Bill Shakesman. That's actually why I made my THF Conspirator icon a mask (well, I also had a mask icon already ready). There's definitely the colloquial and metaphoric liberty with it that I'll use myself, but I think from a strictly legal definition, it would imply threat/harm. Etymologically, the root Conspire would literally mean "breath together", with no implication of ill intent.
In fact I did say that the evil intention is just what is mostly associated with contextually.
Two girls hiding from their parents to discuss what a penis looks like are conspiring too. At least 20 people injured in a shooting in San Bernardino, California at the Inland Regional Center, a nonprofit organization that works with developmentally disabled people. 1-3 shooters and SWAT is on the scene and the building surrounded.
'Murica Valefor.Sehachan said: » In fact I did say that the evil intention is just what is mostly associated with contextually. Two girls hiding from their parents to discuss what a penis looks like are conspiring too. not unless they are talking about committing a crime to see one. you also need the "one overt act" to make it a conspiracy. peeping tom laws so like if one of the girls also bought a ladder for peeping they could arrest them both for conspiracy to commit "peeping while loitering"
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Jetackuu said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » You have "plan" confused with "conspiracy". It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well. Conspire, scheme, plan can be synonymous.
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I wasn't talking about legally.
Another shooting in progress. 20 reported dead. Masks and body armor involved.
[Edit looks like alti has it covered] Way2Bslow
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Valefor.Endoq said: » Jetackuu said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » You have "plan" confused with "conspiracy". It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well. Conspire, scheme, plan can be synonymous. Quote: Synonym Discussion of CONSPIRACY plot, intrigue, machination, conspiracy, cabal mean a plan secretly devised to accomplish an evil or treacherous end. plot implies careful foresight in planning a complex scheme <an assassination plot>. intrigue suggests secret underhanded maneuvering in an atmosphere of duplicity <backstairs intrigue>. machination implies a contriving of annoyances, injuries, or evils by indirect means <the machinations of a party boss>. conspiracy implies a secret agreement among several people usually involving treason or great treachery <a conspiracy to fix prices>. cabal typically applies to political intrigue involving persons of some eminence <a cabal among powerful senators>. I could post several other examples and reasons as to why, but I have work to do. Jetackuu said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » Jetackuu said: » Valefor.Endoq said: » You have "plan" confused with "conspiracy". It's a VERY common mistake people make, that I made for a long time as well. Conspire, scheme, plan can be synonymous. Quote: Synonym Discussion of CONSPIRACY plot, intrigue, machination, conspiracy, cabal mean a plan secretly devised to accomplish an evil or treacherous end. plot implies careful foresight in planning a complex scheme <an assassination plot>. intrigue suggests secret underhanded maneuvering in an atmosphere of duplicity <backstairs intrigue>. machination implies a contriving of annoyances, injuries, or evils by indirect means <the machinations of a party boss>. conspiracy implies a secret agreement among several people usually involving treason or great treachery <a conspiracy to fix prices>. cabal typically applies to political intrigue involving persons of some eminence <a cabal among powerful senators>. I could post several other examples and reasons as to why, but I have work to do. There is a clear distinction between the 2 despite sharing the same aspect. All conspiracy are a plan but not all plans are conspiracy. All murder is killing but not all killing is murder. Hence why I said this:
Jetackuu said: » Conspire, scheme, plan can be synonymous. It's not my fault that you misunderstood what I clearly wrote (and even put in bold). All squares are rectangles, yet not all rectangles are squares, it would still be fine to call a square a rectangle. Yet your analogy is still incomplete, as (if you read on) you will see that to conspire doesn't always involved a negative. But seriously, this is one long derail. Valefor.Sehachan said: » I wasn't talking about legally. it only matters in the legal sense though... it's not a conspiracy unless it's about something illegal. Valefor.Sehachan said: » That's not what it means. "harmful or unlawful" = illegal you can't conspire to do something good... or even neutral.. trust me on this one, I'm evil!
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: » At least 20 people injured in a shooting in San Bernardino, California at the Inland Regional Center, a nonprofit organization that works with developmentally disabled people. 1-3 shooters and SWAT is on the scene and the building surrounded. 'Murica |
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