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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 13:21:19
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »People pay to see SNL on broadcast television? There is no product being bought. It's not capitalism.
That's the most ignorant thing you've said in a while. Yes, people pay, by buying products from companies that pay to advertise.
Protesters aren't censoring anyone, they're pressuring a company to sell them the product they want to buy. Censorship would require they prevent the show from airing or being seen.
Plain and simple, the people who watch the show aren't happy and they are letting NBC know it. THAT'S capitalism, not censorship, period.
Lol, the stretch for justification here is priceless. Have you even for a second considered the possibility that it might have elements of both?
Oh no, we must remove the bad word and replace it with a more acceptable word so that we don't look bad.
Not even remotely. They aren't trying to silence Trump's or SNL's views, they are protesting a company. They are the market deciding what they want. It's pure capitalism.
If they were trying to keep people from entering a venue where Trump was giving a speech, that would have elements of censorship.
Face it, if it were Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, you wouldn't even attempt to cry censorship.
Hmmm you're mighty twisted today Jassik, sort of like a pretzel. Might you be heavily salted and come with a side of horseradish mustard?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-05 13:41:01
So have we concluded that a private group of people isn't capable of censoring -anyone- yet? Its not that hard.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-11-05 13:41:47
This is actually somewhat hilarious now. Keep it up, Jassik. Maybe you can convince the protesters to burn their "Dump Trump" signs in lieu of ones that say "Please offer us higher quality programming, NBC!" It has everything to do with Trump. The protestors have problems with Trump's speech, and they don't want him on the air for that very reason.
Also, if it were Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, I would call a spade a spade. Heck, I'd actually go out of my way to watch Bernie Sanders on SNL. I didn't like seeing Hillary on there, but I never questioned her right to do it and would roll my eyes at anyone protesting it.
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By Jetackuu 2015-11-05 13:45:25
More of the liberal agenda being played out here. It was fine when Hillary was on there as the liberals cream themselves over here, but holy ***Donald Trump is the devil better save the world from him. I pray to god he wins and cuts off all the liberal handouts to these people.
Which one? and lol...
Yeah if Trump won it'd end up great for America. Just be glad it's not gonna happen.
The fact that there's so many people who would welcome it is very disturbing.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 13:52:42
If you think Trump will be on SNL to talk about how illegal Mexicans are killing everybody or that the Chinese are stealing our jerbs, then you haven't seen an episode of SNL. The show is using his media shitstorm as a quick way to make a buck. Of course this is about Trump. Duh. People are protesting NBC using him as a ratings ploy.Trump is free to spread his message of retardery wherever but when he wants to sell himself then he's subject to the ins and outs of capitalism.
This isn't hard unless you suffer from Chronic Conservative Persecution Syndrome (CCPS). (If you suffer from CCPS, please consult a doctor.)
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 13:56:12
If you think Trump will be on SNL to talk about how illegal Mexicans are killing everybody or that the Chinese are stealing our jerbs, then you haven't seen an episode of SNL. The show is using his media shitstorm as a quick way to make a buck. Of course this is about Trump. Duh. People are protesting NBC using him as a ratings ploy.Trump is free to spread his message of retardery wherever but when he wants to sell himself then he's subject to the ins and outs of capitalism.
This isn't hard unless you suffer from chronic Conservative Persecution Syndrome (CCPS). (If you suffer from CCPS, please consult a doctor.)
That's not why people are filling out petitions bub.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 13:58:07
Clinton or Sanders didn't go to SNL to be political or sell themselves either.
Trump isn't selling anything at all, so where's the economic event at? I still see you or your defenders haven't pointed that out the event yet. Just flailing harder than an oldschool Nidhogg fight.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-05 14:06:41
I'd call this ostracism, not censorship.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 14:13:07
Dafuq is an "economic event"?
NBC is using Trump (and all the shitiness that entails) to generate ratings. This is why protesters are appealing to the network. It would be like if SNL wanted Kim Davis to host. Cheap trick to turn a back and you piss off viewers.
Similar thing happened when Sharpton hosted. Hell, a few stations even dropped the show violating affiliation contracts. But, yeah, CENSORSHIP!!
By Ramyrez 2015-11-05 14:18:06
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-05 14:19:24
an oldschool Nidhogg fight.
Don't forget to sneak attack + slug shot it from behind for maximum, uh, damage* and...yeah. I got nothin'.
*this happened in a linkshell I was in. I wasn't in that linkshell much longer.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-11-05 14:20:50
Dafuq is an "economic event"?
NBC is using Trump (and all the shitiness that entails) to generate ratings. This is why protesters are appealing to the network. It would be like if SNL wanted Kim Davis to host. Cheap trick to turn a back and you piss off viewers.
Similar thing happened when Sharpton hosted. Hell, a few stations even dropped the show violating affiliation contracts. But, yeah, CENSORSHIP!!
Ah. So putting the Democrat frontrunner on SNL (note how they did this first) is just business as usual. Putting the Republican frontrunner on SNL is a cheap ratings grab that deserves protest.
#logic
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-11-05 14:23:13
Realistically, how many people actually watch SNL anymore? Every year there's fly-by articles with headlines pointing to SNL's dwindling ratings over the years, and this is the warhorse you're mounting?
#TurdFergason
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-11-05 14:24:37
Realistically, how many people actually watch SNL anymore? Every year there's fly-by articles with headlines pointing to SNL's dwindling ratings over the years, and this is the warhorse you're mounting?
People have been saying that SNL is going to die soon for many years. SNL is the FFXI of television.
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 14:26:23
Dafuq is an "economic event"?
NBC is using Trump (and all the shitiness that entails) to generate ratings. This is why protesters are appealing to the network. It would be like if SNL wanted Kim Davis to host. Cheap trick to turn a back and you piss off viewers.
Similar thing happened when Sharpton hosted. Hell, a few stations even dropped the show violating affiliation contracts. But, yeah, CENSORSHIP!!
Ah. So putting the Democrat frontrunner on SNL (note how they did this first) is just business as usual. Putting the Republican frontrunner on SNL is a cheap ratings grab that deserves protest.
#logic Hosting vs an unannounced cameo. Totes the same.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-11-05 14:30:12
Dafuq is an "economic event"?
NBC is using Trump (and all the shitiness that entails) to generate ratings. This is why protesters are appealing to the network. It would be like if SNL wanted Kim Davis to host. Cheap trick to turn a back and you piss off viewers.
Similar thing happened when Sharpton hosted. Hell, a few stations even dropped the show violating affiliation contracts. But, yeah, CENSORSHIP!!
Ah. So putting the Democrat frontrunner on SNL (note how they did this first) is just business as usual. Putting the Republican frontrunner on SNL is a cheap ratings grab that deserves protest.
#logic Hosting vs an unannounced cameo. Totes the same.
I'm sure Hillary could have hosted too if she had half a personality.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 14:34:47
Dafuq is an "economic event"? If you don't know, then don't throw out economic terms like "free market" and "capitalism."
Why don't you stick to things like giving Al Gore lapdances or whatever you are good at or do for a living?
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 14:41:18
So basically you made it up. That would have been less to type.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 14:42:38
So basically you made it up. That would have been less to type. "Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.' Why do you hate the free market? Yeah, that's me right there, making it up.
How awkward.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 14:44:39
Dafuq is an "economic event"?
NBC is using Trump (and all the shitiness that entails) to generate ratings. This is why protesters are appealing to the network. It would be like if SNL wanted Kim Davis to host. Cheap trick to turn a back and you piss off viewers.
Similar thing happened when Sharpton hosted. Hell, a few stations even dropped the show violating affiliation contracts. But, yeah, CENSORSHIP!!
Ah. So putting the Democrat frontrunner on SNL (note how they did this first) is just business as usual. Putting the Republican frontrunner on SNL is a cheap ratings grab that deserves protest.
#logic Hosting vs an unannounced cameo. Totes the same. Come back to reality.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 14:51:58
Any real responses or has this petered out already?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 14:54:00
Now there's a reward for calling him racist on live TV.
Liberals ever be tolerant and compassionate. Pleebo, did you offer the bounty?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-05 14:56:36
Didn't Trump tweet a swastika yesterday regarding Jeb Bush? Yeah, tolerance and compassion, never seen from a conservative. But nausi just glosses over that fact.
By Jassik 2015-11-05 14:57:20
So basically you made it up. That would have been less to type.
I think he's just conflating accounting terms with economic ones trying to sound more credible. An economic event would be some kind of wide-reaching event, like large fluxes in stock prices across an industry or notable interruptions of commerce like credit card systems getting hacked on a large scale.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-05 14:58:45
I wonder if the entire audience chants racist at Trump, will they all get 5k? Thats what I would do.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 14:59:47
Sounds like the advertising for a Labor Day car sale. THE ECONOMIC EVENT OF A LIFETIME. SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 15:07:24
So basically you made it up. That would have been less to type.
I think he's just conflating accounting terms with economic ones trying to sound more credible. An economic event would be some kind of wide-reaching event, like large fluxes in stock prices across an industry or notable interruptions of commerce like credit card systems getting hacked on a large scale. You know, there are more things in life than macroeconomics.
I know your high school only covered that, but there is a thing called microeconomics that deal with individual actions made by individuals and businesses. You know, on a small scale.
Economics isn't only for the global scale.
Sounds like the advertising for a Labor Day car sale. THE ECONOMIC EVENT OF A LIFETIME. SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! Hey, at least you are showing the extent of your economic knowledge is based by car commercials. How honest of you.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-11-05 15:09:33
Quote: The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights has ordered a taxpayer-funded school district in the suburbs of Chicago to allow a male transgender student who dresses like a girl and otherwise identifies as female to use the girls locker room and shower on school premises.
The feds delivered the edict against Township High School District 211 in Palatine, Ill. on Monday, the Chicago Tribune reports.
The Department of Education has given the school district one month to let the student use the girls locker room. If the district does not capitulate, it risks losing federal funding.
The Department of Education’s civil rights division made its Title IX ruling after a two-year investigation using a “preponderance of evidence” standard.
President Barack Obama’s Department of Education — which manifestly is not vested with judicial powers — has taken to applying Title IX, a comprehensive 1972 federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, to transgender cases.
The unidentified high school student at the center of the ruling currently is listed as a girl in school files, uses girls’ restrooms and plays on girls’ sports teams.
That’s not enough, though. The student wants to be treated like a female in every respect by the school district that enrolls more than 12,000 students.
Showering in a different place is “blatant discrimination,” John Knight, director of the LGBT and AIDS Project at ACLU of Illinois, told the Tribune.
The ACLU of Illinois is representing the student.
“It’s one thing to say to all the girls, ‘You can choose if you want some extra privacy,’ but it’s another thing to say, ‘You, and you alone, must use them.’ That sends a pretty strong signal to her that she’s not accepted and the district does not see her as girl,” Knight also told the Chicago newspaper.
On Monday, the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights agreed.
“Student A has not only received an unequal opportunity to benefit from the District’s educational program, but has also experienced an ongoing sense of isolation and ostracism throughout her high school enrollment at the school,” the letter from the Office for Civil Rights proclaims.
The Tribune has made the full text of the Department of Education’s Title IX letter to school officials available here.
School officials had worked out a plan under which the student could use a separate locker room and shower facility so that girls using the primary girls’ locker room and shower would not feel uncomfortable. The goal was to balance rights — to accommodate the student while, at the same time, “to protect the privacy rights of all students when changing clothes or showering before or after physical education and after-school activities,” according to a recent school district press release obtained by the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper.
“We are very hopeful that we are going to be able to work to find a solution before this gets to the matter of funding,” Township district superintendent Daniel Cates told the Herald in the days leading up to Monday’s proclamation. “If we were to implement OCR’s unilateral mandate of unconditional access, we believe it sacrifices both student privacy and overrides the will of our local board of education.”
In a recent statement, Cates stressed the rights of every other female in the school district.
“The students in our schools are teenagers, not adults, and one’s gender is not the same as one’s anatomy,” Cates explained. “Boys and girls are in separate locker rooms — where there are open changing areas and open shower facilities — for a reason.”
In a statement obtained by the Tribune, the transgender student said he is elated with the ruling from Washington.
“This decision makes me extremely happy — because of what it means for me, personally, and for countless others,” he said. “The district’s policy stigmatized me, often making me feel like I was not a ‘normal person.'”
Catherine Lhamon, the Obama-appointed assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education, also issued a statement about the male transgender student.
“Unfortunately, Township High School District 211 is not following the law because the district continues to deny a female student the right to use the girls’ locker room,” Lhamon said
I really don't understand why the showers have to be open. Aren't many teenagers uncomfortable with their bodies to begin with? I live in the area, so this has been in our papers for awhile. I have yet to see one mention of a student that has an issue with this. It's always about how some parents are the ones worried about it.
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By Jassik 2015-11-05 15:30:09
So basically you made it up. That would have been less to type.
I think he's just conflating accounting terms with economic ones trying to sound more credible. An economic event would be some kind of wide-reaching event, like large fluxes in stock prices across an industry or notable interruptions of commerce like credit card systems getting hacked on a large scale. You know, there are more things in life than macroeconomics.
I know your high school only covered that, but there is a thing called microeconomics that deal with individual actions made by individuals and businesses. You know, on a small scale.
Economics isn't only for the global scale.
Sounds like the advertising for a Labor Day car sale. THE ECONOMIC EVENT OF A LIFETIME. SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! Hey, at least you are showing the extent of your economic knowledge is based by car commercials. How honest of you.
Yeah, exactly what I said. You conflated an accounting term to sound credible.
In any event, boycotting a SNL isn't large or dynamic enough to be considered economic.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-11-05 15:33:25
Trump won't be president so who cares. I get all the entertainment I need already watching Ben Carson weekly and the smug satisfaction that if either of these clowns get to a general they'll be suplexed on election day.
SNL hasn't been relevant in years, as much as I've liked the people on it.
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