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soooooo why people job coach??
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-10-14 18:01:59
Lilbusta said: I'd hate to be coached over subjob choices during an exp pt.
you can come rdm/mnk if you really feel its necessary for exp.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 18:06:50
Ludoggy said: Lilbusta said: I'd hate to be coached over subjob choices during an exp pt.
you can come rdm/mnk if you really feel its necessary for exp. WHATEVA, WHATEVA, I DO WHAT I WANTTTTT
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 18:08:40
Cause some people suck! And some people think there is only one way of doing things.
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2009-10-14 18:21:22
Excesspain said: tl;dr. I coach to an extend. For example, I tell THFs who make a SATA-WS macro to set it up like so Quote: /ja "Trick Attack" <me> /wait 1 /ja "Sneak Attack" <me> /wait 1 /ws "Weapon skill" <t>
The TA animation isn't as harsh as the SA one, so the macro runs smoother and goes off a little quicker (or at least it seems like it to me). Personally...I like to macro in the WS on a seperate macro just cus I macro in as much TA/SA gear as possible (depending on situation)
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By Bahamut.Fyyvoaa 2009-10-14 18:28:40
Normally if people are telling me how to better my job, I will listen to them, if they just /tell me to *** about my gear and how I NEED to buy some stupid 10 mil piece of gear that adds like .01 str, i either tell em to piss off, or blist em and ignore them
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 18:38:58
That's why you pick a job like Cor or Pup - not many play it so no one can really comment on them. When I was playing, no one, absolutely no one said a damn thing about how I played Cor. They had no idea how it worked.
Play Sam or Pld, suddenly the world is your teacher.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 18:44:17
Gilhaven said: Excesspain said: tl;dr. I coach to an extend. For example, I tell THFs who make a SATA-WS macro to set it up like so Quote: /ja "Trick Attack" <me> /wait 1 /ja "Sneak Attack" <me> /wait 1 /ws "Weapon skill" <t>
The TA animation isn't as harsh as the SA one, so the macro runs smoother and goes off a little quicker (or at least it seems like it to me). Personally...I like to macro in the WS on a seperate macro just cus I macro in as much TA/SA gear as possible (depending on situation) Sorry you need to do seperate ws... cause ya know you can and should use more then 1 depending on the situation and seperate TA and SA maccros and different gear for them. Also might even have sperate gear for certain ws and such too.
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-10-14 19:01:59
Well, I imagine anyone learning the basics of a SATA macro should only be about lvl 30 and pre assassin so you probably will not be seperating SATA at that stage. Not to mention someone learning this basic probably has no macros at all.
Gotta learn to walk before you can run.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:10:41
True. Though even pre assassin I liked to seperate them.
1. Even with just a general ws/sa/ta gear swap you wont have room for SA TA waits and WS though I suppose you could just make a gear swap maccro.
2. Even without the 100% chance to hit and 100% crit hit the +agi makes using just TAWS useful especially if you can't setup sata and espeically if you can ws with decent acc.
3. Never count on waits to always work right. Lag will mess you up either making it go to early or too late. Just ask rngs who do waits on unlimited shot and how many PPAs they've losted doing that lol.
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-10-14 19:16:36
Same with SCH, I got the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE questions lvling it like
'does SCH have raise?'
'can SCH main heal?'
It's nice when you can teach other people about a job.
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By Asura.Hit 2009-10-14 19:17:00
Why do people job coach?
1. sometimes they honestly want to help you out.
2. they spent a lot of time on that job, and don't like seeing it being used poorly.
3. they may just want to exert dominance over you, and seek self justification by letting you know they've already done what you're doing, and they did it better.
just kind of general references to the topic subject, not a reference to anyone here.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:20:38
Aaroca said: Same with SCH, I got the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE questions lvling it like
'does SCH have raise?'
'can SCH main heal?'
It's nice when you can teach other people about a job. Sch has access to white magic? I thought they could only think they could nuke as well as blm...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-10-14 19:27:30
Hit said: 2. they spent a lot of time on that job, and don't like seeing it being used poorly. This. If you're really passionate about a particular job, it's easy to develop a "Do it right or don't do it at all" mentality.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 19:30:19
Nightfyre said: Hit said: 2. they spent a lot of time on that job, and don't like seeing it being used poorly. This. If you're really passionate about a particular job, it's easy to develop a "Do it right or don't do it at all" mentality. But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?"
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By Asura.Hit 2009-10-14 19:33:01
Haseyo said: Nightfyre said: Hit said: 2. they spent a lot of time on that job, and don't like seeing it being used poorly. This. If you're really passionate about a particular job, it's easy to develop a "Do it right or don't do it at all" mentality. But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" a few years back when i was reading the census **"they" come out with every so often with all kinds of interesting information.. i recall seeing a bit in the job combination area where they were talking about war/nin as a fairly new job combo. I'd like to be good enough at a job that i could discover something like that one day. ** They referring to Playonline or square or whoever does the official census.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-10-14 19:42:03
Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 19:43:38
Nightfyre said: Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that. I always zoned out when people would ever talk math to me, if ever.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:44:32
Nightfyre said: Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that. True. I like people who argue math its kinda funny. Well argue good math anyways. People arguing Bush like math should be applauded. But when the numbers are obviously way way one way so even small errors wont mess it up... Also I believe you said I was Has...
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:47:31
Haseyo said: Nightfyre said: Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that. I always zoned out when people would ever talk math to me, if ever. So Has a mob is moving at you at an average speed of 5'/sec gravity slows that by 1/2. Now AM2 takes 10 sec to cast and you have fast cast 2. If the wind weather is up blowing from the east and a galka is dancing in front of the mobs how large of an aspir will you get. (Note this is the first female galka in history and She is actually a hot dnc. Round to the nearest whole number)
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 19:48:34
Just saying in general. A huge roll on giving out advice about a job is the tone used. If you start screaming at someone and cursing about how to use Flash, 99.9% of the time the person will ignore.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 19:49:40
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-10-14 19:50:07
Dasva said: Nightfyre said: Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that. True. I like people who argue math its kinda funny. Well argue good math anyways. People arguing Bush like math should be applauded. But when the numbers are obviously way way one way so even small errors wont mess it up... Also I believe you said I was Has... When it gets that murky, even the hardcore number crunchers tend to just say "use whichever you feel works best for you." Especially since in many of those situations it may depend on a number of variables that will vary from player to player. When did I say you were Haseyo?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:51:39
Nightfyre said: Dasva said: Nightfyre said: Haseyo said: But it all comes down to "Who said you know what's best?" I don't necessarily know what's best, but in most cases I can tell you what is optimal given a set of choices. Math is cool like that. True. I like people who argue math its kinda funny. Well argue good math anyways. People arguing Bush like math should be applauded. But when the numbers are obviously way way one way so even small errors wont mess it up... Also I believe you said I was Has... When it gets that murky, even the hardcore number crunchers tend to just say "use whichever you feel works best for you." Especially since in many of those situations it may depend on a number of variables that will vary from player to player. When did I say you were Haseyo? No I meant Has said I was the best. Also when people claim things like hagun adds so much dmg to there wss and you do the math and its like 50% more dmg.... you just gotta /facepalm
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-10-14 19:54:30
Dasva said: Aaroca said: Same with SCH, I got the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE questions lvling it like
'does SCH have raise?'
'can SCH main heal?'
It's nice when you can teach other people about a job. Sch has access to white magic? I thought they could only think they could nuke as well as blm... SCH CAN NUKE A BAJILLION FAFILLION DMG ON ABSOLUTE VIRTUE. jk iludavsa<3
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-14 19:56:04
Aaroca said: Dasva said: Aaroca said: Same with SCH, I got the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE questions lvling it like
'does SCH have raise?'
'can SCH main heal?'
It's nice when you can teach other people about a job. Sch has access to white magic? I thought they could only think they could nuke as well as blm... SCH CAN NUKE A BAJILLION FAFILLION DMG ON ABSOLUTE VIRTUE. For a sec I almost believed you then you said this.... Aaroca said: jk iludavsa<3
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2009-10-14 19:58:42
Get every Sch on the server, and just Helix his *** while wiping. He'll drop eventually!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-10-14 19:59:19
How is 20% (the actual number assuming WS @ 100TP) not a significant increase in a game of 0.5% increases? 20% is a fair chunk of damage. All told, Hagun alone is easily a 12% increase to a SAM's DPS from Onimaru. That's pretty big in FFXI.
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By Shiva.Clowdd 2009-10-14 20:36:19
This whole topic was a Wall o' Text.
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By Asura.Hit 2009-10-14 20:44:08
After the OP was discovered to be perpetrating his grievance much of the post lost it's meaning. However i think some good points were made otherwise.
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By Remora.Jackieolivas 2009-10-14 20:49:25
Beer is good. And stuff. /endrandomcomment
People tend to feel the need to show that they are better at something than someone. Its part of human nature. And comments about gear... Generally, I blacklist the person or leave a party immediately. Especially when its something ridiculous. The post about Hagun is however very inciteful.
what has happened to the game? Nowdays people would rather sit and tell you how to do job then focus on having fun and doing there own damn job. I get it if someone are doing stupid stuff pulling multiple links time after time,not curing and whole pt dies, nuking too much pulling hate dying etc where they are messing up party flow or xp/hr and just doing dumb stuff yes they need advice on how not to mess up there and everyones xp but jesus this is crazy! So I had a pt the other day on my WHM with a blu brd pld drk and a war. I take my xtra char out to do haste rotation and cure while I rest we go good for over 30min then all of a sudden the dark wants to start complaining they want haste. Unknown to me at the time the drk pld and war are all is same shell so it makes since later when they wanna sit there and triple team me.Fighting eruca yes slow is a pain but so is incinerate I'm doing barfira auspice curing the drk after souleater (NO they didn't turn it off after ws) and since the drk is TA the pld yes they got hit with incinerate from time to time and slowed. PLD says well stop hasting me and just haste the drk then. Now I have nothing against taru PLDS but..Waiting till hp is close or under half to cure yourself when mob doing a move like incinerate is just retarded Especially when you keep going close to dying when it lands.WE were getting more than decent xp with no rests no stops so I don't see what the hell the problem was the drk wasn't stunning rarely using absorb spells didn't see too many drains after hit with incinerate but did I sit there and tell them what to do NO. I just laughed at how stupid they were to my self..
With 2 chars out there healing I still run low on MP. So I rest with main while extra heals pt so i can recoup MP there is no way in hell we woulda did as well as we did with any whm out there alone so why can't people just be happy with what they get. So instead I'm called emo for saying I didn't have mp at the time and pld needs more than drk then of course it goes to what gimpy gear cause my main whm has electrum earrings and egg ammo while my extra char whm 75 has ether serket hedgehog bomb for ammo but yet omg my main didn't have serket... no wonder you suck omg nooo not an mp egg in ammo slot nooo. People need to focus more on being a party and thinking of the party rather than there damn e-peen ohh noez I'm falling behind on my parser. If you get a party and things are going good STFU!! enjoy the pt enjoy the XP if people dying, getting others killed or ask then by all means say something give advice but omg that is crazy to dog someone else out because 1 pt member isn't getting haste. If you were in this party you are free to leave your 2 cents you know who u are but bottom line is there are different perspectives to each side my job as whm is to keep tank alive keep pt members cured, barspell like i did, auspice, and manage my damn MP so we can keep chaining not use all before we hit chain3 IF you can't understand that then you should go play WOW or some other game. PLD job is to keep mob on him as much as he can cure himself and manage mp see a trend here? MP management is key I'm sure alot of you have pt with plds who cure themselves more than needed and then is outta mp or doesn't cure themselves often enough and becomes an MP sponge bottom line is you need to work together to maximize xp/hr
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