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America's Tax Burden to Rise
Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-08 08:57:34
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 09:02:47
Well shrunk might be the incorrect term, I'm sure he meant slows or retards.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-08 09:03:54
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned again. So you're going to question his again? And they cycle repeats itself!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-08 09:08:52
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned again. So you're going to question his again? And they cycle repeats itself!
Nope. Just my perception of what's going on. The cycle is predictable though.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-05-08 09:18:41
Kara wasn't making the point. Kara was refuting this stupid statement.
Kara is talking about herself in the third person, we're all gunna die!
And where the hell is Spence? we need a
Taxes are bad and you should feel bad for raising them!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-05-08 09:21:13
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned.
YOU'RE WRONG!!!
kingnoobie never had any credibility to question!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-08 09:35:18
It's the internet, nobody has credibility.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-08 09:37:30
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
Tax cuts for wealth individuals (Reaganomics) always net more total revenue for the government. So if the tax burden indeed needs to rise, that seems like a pretty good solution. lol look at the fallacy of trickle-down economics being spouted again...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 10:28:10
The 80s called, they'd like a word with you.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-08 10:28:44
The 80s called, they'd like a word with you. Reality called, they'd like a word with you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-08 10:29:32
The 80s called, they'd like a word with you. Reality called, they'd like a word with you. Right, because in Jet's reality, everyone is a neo-conservative.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 10:52:18
what are we, a year after the top rate increase from 2013 and were touting .1% GDP growth?
By Jetackuu 2014-05-08 11:20:15
what are we, a year after the top rate increase from 2013 and were touting .1% GDP growth? Economy: more than just one variable affects it
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 12:09:09
right so the tax increase wuz gewd and its just other stuffz pulling it down rite?
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-08 12:16:20
For starters you confuse ending a tax break with a tax increase, they're not the same thing.
Secondly: If you want to talk economics then talk to an economics person, not some failed political ideology from a hack middle of the road president who wouldn't get elected in today's politics if he was covered in gold.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-05-08 12:26:03
For starters you confuse ending a tax break with a tax increase, they're not the same thing.
Secondly: If you want to talk economics then talk to an economics person, not some failed political ideology from a hack middle of the road president who wouldn't get elected in today's politics if he was covered in gold.
I think you are grossly underestimating the stupidity of the american voter... go watch a couple episodes of Jersey Shore and tell me he couldn't win
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 12:27:49
Ya srsly, they voted Barry in twice and hes wrecked this place far worse than anyone else.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-08 12:32:33
Ya srsly, they voted Barry in twice and hes wrecked this place far worse than anyone else.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-08 12:35:08
Secondly: If you want to talk economics then talk to an economics person, not some failed political ideology from a hack middle of the road president who wouldn't get elected in today's politics if he was covered in gold.
Oh look, I can do that too
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-08 12:47:12
For starters you confuse ending a tax break with a tax increase, they're not the same thing.
Secondly: If you want to talk economics then talk to an economics person, not some failed political ideology from a hack middle of the road president who wouldn't get elected in today's politics if he was covered in gold.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-08 12:53:33
Good, this thread is eating itself.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-08 12:55:26
Good, this thread is eating itself.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-08 13:44:06
Ban political ads from all forms of media. The population by enlarge is very gullible no matter has asinine the ads may seem.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-05-08 14:18:47
The population by enlarge This doesn't mean what you think it means.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2014-05-08 17:59:58
An economy does not always expand. Every once in a while you get a recession (what US nearly got in 2008-2010) in which an economy either stops growing or shrinks a little. Nobody really knows why but the general consensus amount economists is that there is a cycle to recession every 20-50 years. So a government should, in theory, grab money when the economy is growing strong and spend money when the economy is slowing down.
Raising taxes to pay back public debt, in theory, would slow down the rate of growth for an economy. This is because, in theory, you are giving away a portion of your earnings to pay back debt and you should, in theory, has less money to save, invest or spend.
However, raising taxes alone does not necessary mean you will experience a recession (i.e. shrinking economy). For example, if you raise taxes on high income households and luxury goods then use those money to invest in job training and education then you might not get a recession at all. In fact, you can increase growth because your population is getting more educated and, trained thus more 'productive'.
Of course, it's meaningless if you can't enforce it and you just lose popularity and get no money.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-08 19:26:23
Good, this thread is eating itself. Much like the current state of the economy.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-08 19:29:15
Good, this thread is eating itself. Much like the current state of the economy.
Isn't that just part of what naturally happens when you artificially force-feed the beast?
If you think our financial collapse is bad, just wait until China has theirs. They're keeping the economy artificially high by building entire cities too expensive for anyone to actually live in.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-08 20:18:29
Good, this thread is eating itself. Much like the current state of the economy.
Isn't that just part of what naturally happens when you artificially force-feed the beast?
If you think our financial collapse is bad, just wait until China has theirs. They're keeping the economy artificially high by building entire cities too expensive for anyone to actually live in. Slow, Safe and Steady
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-05-08 20:56:41
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned.
Kinda like when he tried to lecture me on Lean manufacturing...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-08 21:15:55
The economy nearly always expands, more people working = greater productivity. I don't see what point kara is really trying to make.
KN's just turning this into another *** measuring contest because people were questioning him earlier in the thread. Now, he's trying to toss Kara's credibility under the bus since his was questioned again. So you're going to question his again? And they cycle repeats itself!
Nope. Just my perception of what's going on. The cycle is predictable though. You're predictable!
Who like taxes? Not the people who pay them, is always the quick answer. However a new article from CNN had this to say:
Quote: The average American pays more in tax and social security than Canadians, Australians, the Japanese and the British.
But when you compare the American tax burden to other developed nations, the numbers don't look so bad.
New data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development compared tax rates and social security deductions on average incomes in 34 countries.
The data shows that Belgians, Germans and Danes have the highest tax burdens, while South Koreans, Mexicans and Chileans have the lowest. Americans are about in the middle. Source
Further investigation into the report released from the OECD had this to say:
Quote: Personal income tax has risen in 25 out of 34 OECD countries over the past three years, as countries reduce the value of tax-free allowances and tax credits and subject higher proportions of earnings to tax, according to new data in the annual Taxing Wages publication.
The increases in tax burdens on labour income in 2013 were largest in Portugal (due to higher statutory rates), the Slovak Republic (due to higher employer social security contributions) and the United States (due to expiry of previous reductions in employee social security contributions).
The average tax burden on employment incomes across the OECD increased by 0.2 of a percentage point in 2013, to 35.9 percent, according to the report. It increased in 21 out of 34 countries, fell in 12, and remained unchanged in one.
The 2013 rise follows a substantial increase in 2011 and a smaller one in 2012. Since 2010, the tax burden has increased in 21 OECD countries and fallen in 9, partially reversing the reductions seen between 2007 and 2010.
The new findings on income tax burdens are among the highlights of Taxing Wages 2014, which provides unique cross-country comparative data on income tax paid by employees as well as the associated social security contributions made by employees and employers; both are key factors when individuals consider their employment options and businesses make hiring decisions. Source
With the world so intertwined economically today not paying taxes simply isn't a solution. But to be fair America's working class has had it pretty good when compared to other countries in the OECD. The joy ride may soon be over.
Quote: While some might want to complain and even go as far as saying this will hurt the working class, across the board taxes on wages are not only on the rise, they will continue rise as well this year. Seemingly harmful, this will allow business to perhaps again be flexible to hire more labor as the income once again attempts to even disburse itself throughout the masses.
Cheer up, when everyone is taxed we all wind up winner in the end. It’s the fight against taxes that will ultimately harm you. Source
Is there a solution to the increase in wage taxes for the working class? Or is this the solution we've been waiting for? Can higher taxes on labor once again bring prosperity to America's middle class?
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