How Can I Be A Strictly Less Turrible Whm?

yea i do 1800~ stones on whm/sch on them too but you know melee, for some reason they have to engage everything and give it tp lol. plus most people dont know the value of blm in skirmish never mind do the right thing and gather all the umbrils so you can 1 shot all of them with firaja or something lol.

My comments were not really aimed at anyone, just quoted as you pair were having the regen discussion. I mentioned AoE regens as I have seen WHMs do it when I have been DDing. Sure other budding WHMs might be reading this (maybe) and learn AoE regen unless in NNI or something is not so hot.

I like regen and probably will continue to regen PLDs and who ever else. For no other reason than it breaks up the monotony of cure and haste spamming so I don't switch off. Just probably not so much in super EG stuff where I will probably have more important things to get on with.

I'm never bothered if anyone mentions a debuff I miss, I'm only human. Would rather they say and me get it than them not say and just call me gimplets. This attitude is also counter productive to new WHMs. People have to learn somewhere and when people first hit 99 they are probably going to be a bit slower than your vet WHM. If people are intimidated to level it, then the pool of truly talented WHMs diminishes even more.

If people of Rag don't like it, don't take me WHM. ^.^

i mean it should be ultimately what you live by, not really the true life result. when you go in to an event, you should go into it with that as your guide. being lax on it will only lead to laxing on everything. it comes down to being a ^reactive whm to a *proactive whm.

*reactive the mob is proactive whm.
^reactive to players asking is reactive whm.

you will always be a step behind if you have to wait to be told. which doesnt hold up well if things go south meaning links, unforseen aoe damage in quick succession, ect. you want to be perpared and caught up for what is to happen next, this is why it is important for whm's to adopt the "no one should have to ask me for na spells, hastes, ect" motto because it should bother you in situations that you have done/plan to do several or more times in the near future. using this motto will directly lead to increased dps of your melee, which will directly lead to the enemy dying faster, which will directly lead to the end faster with less time for potential problems.

however when you dont know the mobs well, and wont look it up, you can ask what they do to someone in the party. memorizing what status effects each move does and spellsets of mobs is key.

a trick is, if a mob has not weapon skilled in a few seconds, it will soon. get party cured up, then maybe accession cure4 to give them all SS. when it hasnt casted a spell in awhile, itll do it soon, so have your party cured when it starts casting, and since you predicted it would cast soon, and know what spells it can cast, you are prepared for what to react to it with.

In this day and age, you definitely notice a good whm.

Regen isn't really used for it's MP efficiency since most of the time cure will be more efficient. It's useful because it generated nearly no CE, which is the bane of all WHM's in prolonged fights. Since most players in this game aren't super pimped experienced EG goers fights can drag on and if the WHM has been doing their job then you'll eventually be hitting CE cap, which is a very bad thing. Also useful for times when your melee's won't be generating sh!t for enmity like the MNK holding mata. Regen isn't useless (without use), it just has limited use's and shouldn't be the primary method used to cure people.

Don't make excuses for bad players in a thread that's devoted to how to be a good whm.

And WHM regen is still useless.

it's not useless, it's just very niche and mostly inefficient or ineffective. Regen on mobs with DoT auras is helpful.

He's just being belligerent that's all. Being a good WHM is about having insanely fast reflex's, prepared for everything, knowing what tool to use in which situation and being able to multi-task and maintain a mental list of ***that needs done while prioritizing it accordingly.

Yeah, Regen5 that's been perp'ed.

Not much else.

Stop pretending to live in the past, you're not actually going to cast regen every minute or so.

Regen 4 is useful in certain instances.

but if we're going to argue a Regen V is more useful, well all I can say is DUH.

If you are 18 manning stuff, or dont want to swap a SCH in for the sole purpose of Regen V, then why would regen 4 not be useful?

It has a Niche, he never once said spam the *** out of it cos it's always super useful yo.

No, it's never useful. Terrible MP efficiency, takes twice as long as Cure5 to cast, no cure skin, etc.

He never said to spam it but you're gonna have to because it only lasts a bit over a minute.

Regen4 is never useful and should never be used because it takes up about 6 seconds to cast+cool down. A lot can happen in 6 seconds and it's a waste and a terrible decision to cast something that -might- help rather than be on standby and react to something that needs your attention immediately. Everyone here who's played WHM a decent amount of time has seen someone take 2-3k+ damage in under 5 seconds. What are you going to tell them? "Oh, I couldn't cure you because I was busy casting regenIV so you'll have 40~hp/tick for a little over a minute."

It's stupid, it's bad decision making and decision making is 75% of what it is to be a WHM.

Regen used to be effective years ago when the fights were slower, but the game's different now and it's not anymore.

I completely agree casting it in the middle of fights is somewhat stupid, and REGEN 5 is better for the sole reason that Perpetuance makes it a reasonable duration. Personally I use it after a NM drops and peple start running in case they get adds (and they are no in range etc) lets them kite it for longer.

Again a Niche use, but exactly what I said it was. Certainly by no means something you would use frequently, or on all content.

leave regen to SCH gaiz, cureskin is too strong to forfeit. a single cureskin is worth 1/3 or more of the HP from a full duration regen4 for WHM. sticking it up for something like a poison aura is ok, but... the maintenance cost in both time and MP (mostly time) limits its effectiveness.

Woah... people use Divine Caress?

Here I am thinking I was hipster for using Sacrosanctity effectively.

What is Divine Caress and Sacrosanctity???

Divine caress only works on the person you target. (i know, it sucks! XD)

Nice to see you're improving, keep at it!

Talking on paper is pointless, most and even the well geared whms sucked because they fail to keep healing targets at a high hp level. always the same stupid flaw on waiting the target's hp drop to a low enough level for that cure 5-6. they failed to realize at that low hp level the mob can one shot even a well geared pld. All bunch of lazy whm refuse to spam cure 2-3 applying cureskin constantly.

It works on the party. Thing is, everyone has to be hit with the enfeeble and then get it taken off with Divine Caress on. You can either do that with Divine Seal or AoE /SCH stratagem. I know this is true because when I'm WHM and people get hit with Breakga, I use Divine Caress + AoE /SCH strat + Stona and they all resist the next Breakga, all the time. Even if the effect wears off, you get a notification of everyone who got hit with Stona.

nice, wasn't aware of that.

A Yagrush WHM didn't know the benefit of Caress....

D- Spira,

<-- Does not get to play on whm. (Also believes there isn't that much value in divine caress, but let's not get into that. lol)

any enfeeble that is bothersome or frequent enough to cause issue you're using rng's or dd's /run, and a solid resist casting set will make up the difference, but caress has a few niche uses.

Not everyone has a /RUN set for situations like that, or RNG geared sufficiently enough to do decent/greater damage than the DD job they have geared out the best.

I have never had any problems taking debuffs off of my DDs and keeping them cured. Mind you, I don't spam AoE -nas or Erase just for the fun of it...

That's got to be a (relatively) recent change. 'Cause I know for certain that divine caress didn't AoE when it came out. I also recall ppl asking to make it work when AoE'd on the OF, and SE going, "Well, maybe." But I don't recall ever seeing anything in the update notes about it. Did I just miss it, or was this ninja adjusted?

Also, I have a Yagrush(on my whm mule) and I didn't know it'd AoE'd now either. Shows how much use DC tends to get.

Don't take my word for it. I strongly suggest people to test it out for themselves.

You could do a 6 man Mastep or whatever that gnat NM for delve is, that bugger uses all sorts of enfeebles all the time, Breakga being a good one to test out.

Oh I already tested it. lol. Just popped a blind potion on me and my mule, then DC blindna'd. Did get the effect on both.